another useless casino id system - luckynetwork

[coxwel]

interesting how things go different in the UK...

here in good old germany :-) the law forces you since the age of 16 to have your personal id in your pocket. if you get caught by police or any government people you have to be able to proof your identity to them, if not they would be able to make you pay a fine, thats law.

the only id which is optional is the so called reisepass. its only necessary if you want to travel out of the eu.

as i read the things about the uk iam quite happy we get forced to have ids here as your first one is for free ;-) and after 6 years you have to renew it, which cost you 8€, acceptable.

as you were talkin about other age proof cards you have in the uk back in the years as i was under 16 ;-) my brother showed me sites in the internet where you could purchase fake ids.. whether these were us sites sellin fake driver license or most of them were out of the uk sellin stupid made up cards like international student identification etc.. which would be useless for germany...

but its not that hard here with clubs or drinkin so as i turned 18 nobody even asked for my id ;-((

anyway if you would play online i would get a government issued id for sure as in many casinos you would get these hassles..

as i bought my printer including scanner it made many cashouts even possible which would have taken and cost lot more without it, now iam prepared for everything and have a collection from all kind of docs ready ;-)... its always good to have as i expereinced often after i send my id to a certain casino, they asked for utility bill or bank statement, ok fine still had one, but often had to send one which was up to date, a simple scanner just really paid of for me i know its nothing special but i never bought ione till the year 2008.. shame.. ;-)


but the more important for me is, what happens to all my id copies held by any casinos anywhere?

to sell a whole collection of scanned ids is something you can ake big money on and i dont want to think about which chinese is already buildin on my docs ;-)

but if one wants to be paid ;-)....


cheers

coxwel

[1819]

The UK isn't the USA.

We don't have a place that makes photo ID cards. Not everybody drives or is allowed to drive due to medical conditions. Not everyone wants to travel abroad, and these ID's cost a lot of money, fuck that.

I guess someone could create a pretend photo ID using photoshop, some casinos don't seem to have a clue how things work here in the UK, so maybe they wouldn't know, and it would teach them to be such wankers.



I was stopped once by the police when I was homeless. They asked me questions about my identity. Used their walkie talkies to verify the information I supplied them with their HQ, searched me for drugs, then said that all the information I had given them was verified on their computer and I was a real person... didn't give me any money to buy a cup of tea though, stingy fuckers.

I do agree about this whole photo ID thing, it is a load of bollox. There are many other ways to prove a person's ID. The photo ID thing seems to me to be a way to stall processing withdrawals and a gamble by the casino that the person won't possess photo ID and so the casino will keep the money. Total scam if you ask me. There are plenty of paper documents that prove who you are, what fucking difference does a photo make?

alot of money for an id? if one uses that as an excuse they sure as hell should not be gambling online.....

[sparkz]

i think the thing hes relating to in this case is the expense for uk people to get id...


lets look at fake id, that prooves that most club entry is about how old you look because iv heard of sme people who have been 15/16 and got a fake id card, they tried to enter the club and showed the id but still werent allowed in as the bouncer really thought they looked now where near the age of 18,

the thing relating to expence of getting so called "id" when you said about the excuse of id's being "a lot of money". The fact is say in this situation, im "required" to send a copy of a government issued id (as explained in uk we dont get em) or passport copy. The thing here i can get is of course the passport. But that takes a very long process of a few weeks including i must travel to another town to get the checks done and get my passport. So all in all for a passport including travel and the actual passport itself it would cost over £100 (the passport itself is around £80) which is pointless getting just to cashout a £40 free chip at this casino and also i know im not going abroad in the next 10 years so how should it be fair that i have to get 1 when i want to gamble? gambling is about risking your own money to possibly win, but having to buy these "extras" jsut to proove who i am is wasting money

[Mouche12]

hey sparkz,

It sounds to me that you are a bit of a bum.

Let's be fair you are on the dole bro. Your skint and cant even afford a passport. Your in last chance hotel.

I say, get a job and stop fucking about on the internet.

Regards

Lee_bumble

According to his previous messages, OP DOES have a job (wager slips were mentioned). I find your message rude and don't understand why it is even nominated... then again, you are a banned user.

[Mouche12]

Quote from Oxwel here in good old germany :-) the law forces you since the age of 16 to have your personal id in your pocket. if you get caught by police or any government people you have to be able to proof your identity to them, if not they would be able to make you pay a fine, thats law

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same here in good old Holland - ausweis bitte!

[zebedy]

alot of money for an id? if one uses that as an excuse they sure as hell should not be gambling online.....

why not? if all the bills are paid and you have enough food on the table,
when i have a few spare ££s i like to gamble,as im sure many people do, im not rich and i find that paying out £200 just to get a passport that MAYBE an online casino will ask for is a total waste of money especially when its been proved that they dont need it to prove your identy,

[vinylweatherman]

i think the thing hes relating to in this case is the expense for uk people to get id...


lets look at fake id, that prooves that most club entry is about how old you look because iv heard of sme people who have been 15/16 and got a fake id card, they tried to enter the club and showed the id but still werent allowed in as the bouncer really thought they looked now where near the age of 18,

the thing relating to expence of getting so called "id" when you said about the excuse of id's being "a lot of money". The fact is say in this situation, im "required" to send a copy of a government issued id (as explained in uk we dont get em) or passport copy. The thing here i can get is of course the passport. But that takes a very long process of a few weeks including i must travel to another town to get the checks done and get my passport. So all in all for a passport including travel and the actual passport itself it would cost over £100 (the passport itself is around £80) which is pointless getting just to cashout a £40 free chip at this casino and also i know im not going abroad in the next 10 years so how should it be fair that i have to get 1 when i want to gamble? gambling is about risking your own money to possibly win, but having to buy these "extras" jsut to proove who i am is wasting money

It's not just the expense, it is the overspecification for purpose. Casinos require a "government issued ID", but they then will NOT accept the format the UK government has itself chosen for routinely issued documentation that everybody gets regardless of status, or medical condition. The UK government does not see the need to go to the expense of using a photo for these internal documents, instead, these documents DO carry an "ID number", which can be used to look up the information on the person in the relevant database. Even the drivers license itself is ONLY a photo one for NEW APPLICANTS. Those of us who passed our tests in the past were issued with PAPER licenses, quite OK for the purpose for which they were issued. The photo was introduced NOT so that it could be proxy for an ID card, but for the purpose of preventing qualified drivers pretending to be a learner, and taking a test on their behalf - with obvious dangerous consequenses. The ONLY way this photo was of any use was because it was a simple matter of the receptionist looking at the license, and then the person before them, and checking they were the same. HOW THE %$£" do casinos do this with the photo They DON'T NEED IT, they JUST need a "government issued, or approved, ID document, and some supporting documents to cross check the details. This would be easily served by sending in ANY document issued by the government, alongside other documents demonstrating that the person presenting the document ALSO had access to the private dealings of the person so identified, by showing examples of letters in their name, and with the address registered at the casino also shown as the recipient address on the letter.

The other problem is that casinos are keen to gloss over how hard it can be to actually meet their requirements by making sound so simple in the terms. They simply say "government ID" and "utility bill", but then start to nitpick when these very things are sent, seeming to feel that THEY, a mere online business, have the right to dictate to the UK government exactly what documents, and how they are formatted, should be issued to UK citizens. They then brand the innocent citizen as "fraud" just because the government will not bow to their wishes.

Some casinos then demonstrate the contempt and ignorance by saying "everyone has ID - you are lying" to a UK player who tells CS that they, for example, only have a paper driving license, and have never needed a passport, so have not bothered.

In any event, casinos should NOT be using passports in the first place, they are NOT A COUNTRY, and therefore in law have NO RIGHT to ask to see someone's passport.

Passports are rather special, and these narrow rights as to who can inspect, and more importantly, who can take copies, are there to minimise the risk of forgers knocking out fakes through getting hold of copies of genuine passports, and using these, along with their considerable skill, to knock out altered fakes that end up stealing the ID of the holder of the original.

UK citizens would not put up with being fined just for not having a card in their pocket, since there has been a culture among both public, and private, organisations for using such fines as revenue raising excersises, rather than genuine enforcement. It also looks like a police state, and it means Germans cannot enjoy some of the freedoms we have, such as jogging with shirt & shorts (no pockets), or being on the beach in only swimwear. If the UK had the German system, this is where all the fines would come from, asking people who looked like they had no pockets in their clothes to produce the ID, and then collecting the fines.

The UK police HAVE been issued with alternatives though, portable fingerprint scanners, and portable iris scanners will be along at some time. This means everybody can have their ID checked on the spot, unless they cut their fingers off & pluck their eyes out (but this still leaves DNA).

A previous post mentioned websites selling ID such as "international student card". Well, it's NOT illegal, UNLESS false claims are made about the issuer, such as claiming it to be "government issued/approved" when it is not.
UK Rail companies issue "ID" in the form of an annual season ticket, nothing illegal about this, but it LOOKS like an ID card, because in effect, it IS one, but for limited purposes of protecting the rail company from abuse of the season ticket scheme.

There are loads of websites offering to sell me a university degree, not necessarily fake, since we have the system of "honorary degree", so what is so different to having someone PAY for one. Usually, the degrees are for "wooly" subjects, such as Art or Philosophy, hard to test whether the holder really studied for it.