Q&A for Casino Club and "Real Player" concerning the confiscations of winnings

[realplayer]

We were recently informed of an allegation by a poster that Gaming VC lawyers had attempted to rely on a legal loophole to avoid payment of a jackpot. Specifically, the words were:

“The answer of Gaming VC respectively their lawyers is the following one: „Due to a legal loophole they are not obliged to pay out winnings, the matter is resolved, therefore. “ ”

Nobody from our organisation made any such statement, and we agree with the LGA’s recently published view on this issue.

Our attention was also drawn to a recent article published on the website www.Online-Casinos.com, where the article (the reporters details are unknown) stated that:

“a Casino Club spokesperson said they were justified in taking the action and that the LGA had been supplied with all the details, finding in favour of the casino with regards to this issue”.

Nobody from our organisation made any such statement. We understand that the LGA is still looking into the relevant complaint.

This statement of Casino Club (Gaming VC) is not true.
In May 2010, my lawyer sent an e mail to the legal department of the LGA. He sent me a copy of this e mail. Important is the 2nd sentence in this context.

Here are the first lines of this e mail :

Dear Dr.....

the matter in caption refers, within which I am addressing your Authority in my capacity as Lawyer.

Contrary to the lawyers of Messrs. Gaming VC my client does not detect any “loophole” in Maltese law.
My client is prepared to appoint me for reporting to the police and to initiate a lawsuit against Messrs. Gaming VC.

After due examination of the law we have come to the conclusion that according to the last half-sentence of Art. 1717 civil code, too, Art.² 1713 ff. civil code do not apply for credits on player accounts with operators licensed by your Authority………
and so forth

[Rusty]

This statement of Casino Club (Gaming VC) is not true.
In May 2010, my lawyer sent an e mail to the legal department of the LGA. He sent me a copy of this e mail. Important is the 2nd sentence in this context.

Here are the first lines of this e mail :

Dear Dr.....

the matter in caption refers, within which I am addressing your Authority in my capacity as Lawyer.

Contrary to the lawyers of Messrs. Gaming VC my client does not detect any “loophole” in Maltese law.
My client is prepared to appoint me for reporting to the police and to initiate a lawsuit against Messrs. Gaming VC.

After due examination of the law we have come to the conclusion that according to the last half-sentence of Art. 1717 civil code, too, Art.² 1713 ff. civil code do not apply for credits on player accounts with operators licensed by your Authority………
and so forth

This may be evidence that Casino Club's statement may be untrue but for proof you need the original message rather than a 3rd party reference.

If you can prove it conclusively it would certainly show Casino Club in a very bad light (Understatement?) but unfortunately it won't prove your play was legitimate.
I would be requesting a definitive answer from the LGA as to when they will conclude their investigation.
In the meanwhile I wish you luck with your lawsuit - if you win I would think you are owed substantial damages on top of the amount owed.
I am sure that between yourself and your solicitor you can draw up a long list of claims.

[vinylweatherman]

This statement of Casino Club (Gaming VC) is not true.
In May 2010, my lawyer sent an e mail to the legal department of the LGA. He sent me a copy of this e mail. Important is the 2nd sentence in this context.

Here are the first lines of this e mail :

Dear Dr.....

the matter in caption refers, within which I am addressing your Authority in my capacity as Lawyer.

Contrary to the lawyers of Messrs. Gaming VC my client does not detect any “loophole” in Maltese law.
My client is prepared to appoint me for reporting to the police and to initiate a lawsuit against Messrs. Gaming VC.

After due examination of the law we have come to the conclusion that according to the last half-sentence of Art. 1717 civil code, too, Art.² 1713 ff. civil code do not apply for credits on player accounts with operators licensed by your Authority………
and so forth

What we need is the actual letter/email from "The lawyers of Messrs. Gaming VC" showing that this WAS indeed the argument made to legitimise the non-payment.

Currently, we don't have evidence that your new lawyers are doing nothing more than disputing a rumour that this argument was used.

If this does get to court, Casino Club will have to open up their "secret" evidence to scrutiny, and this had better be pretty good evidence or they could end up paying out even MORE than your initial claim, and as a business they will suffer a considerable loss of trust from players.

[asianeyes]

Perhaps Realplayer would like to come back and tell us whether he has instituted legal proceedings (there are legal firms even in Malta prepared to work on a contingency basis, I'm sure) and if not, why not?

I suspect a serious attempt at litigation might give Casino Club pause for thought on its catch-all accusations and whether it can produce sufficient proof to convince an independent judge.

It would also be nice (just for a change) to see some sort of interest from the LGA as this issue continues to develop - I've alerted them to the presence of this thread btw.

I feel a news story coming on....

WTG, Jetset! Keep on them!!!

[asianeyes]

Course he is....and on weekends, him and Frank Sinatra get together and sing a few ditties. Hell, maybe they even have an anonymous account at Casino Club, and maybe it's one of them who won the JP using the pseudonym "Gavin". Anything is possible right?

Pina you sure do make me laugh

[jetset]

BUMP

I've been out of action for awhile - any new developments on this case?

Realplayer?

[realplayer]

BUMP

I've been out of action for awhile - any new developments on this case?

Realplayer?

On Friday, a judicial letter was filed to the civil court in Malta (containing payment demand ). This is the last chance for an out of court settlement. I'm waiting for a response by Gaming VC in the next two weeks, depend on duration of mail delivery.

[jetset]

Thanks - please keep us posted; a lot of people are following this case with great interest.

[realplayer]

Thanks - please keep us posted; a lot of people are following this case with great interest.

Sure, I do it.

[LHofsdal]

I wish the best of luck RealPlayer. I really hope everything works out for you in the end. I know this is very frustrating for you, and Jod is right, many people are interested in the outcome.

I think what they have done or are doing to you is just horrible, and in the end I hope everything comes out in your favor.

LH