Originally Posted by
Ilana
Dear spearmaster,
Thank you for your comment.
xxx
None of these Casino Club people are in any city in Malta, as other forums found out and documented with hard evidence by now and as even Boss Media's Webdollar "admitted" weeks ago. The only connection between Casino Club and Malta is as a user of Boss Media's software, which is indeed still licensed in Malta (and so Casino Club uses this information in their publications). But Gaming VC has no office or other operations in Malta at all.
I hope I could help you out.
Good luck to all!
This kind of thing is common, however, it is down to the technicalities of the internet.
CS staff can be based anywhere, and Israel is one place that many casinos run their support services from.
The legal issue is about where the GAMING takes place. This could simply be a server farm in Malta, with merely a couple of tech people on site. The casino would have to be "licensed in" the juristiction where their gaming servers operate, so in this respect, Casino Club offers it's gaming from Malta, and for legal purposes is considered to be "located in Malta".
IF CS staff are making deliberate efforts to lie by claiming THEY THEMSELVES are sitting at a PC in a building in Malta, but are really elsewhere, then this would certainly put a huge question mark over the integrity of this operation - there is simply nothing to be gained from such a "lie", so why on earth would they do it.
It is possible that CS are simply not answering the question asked of them, but the question on the SCRIPT IN FRONT OF THEM. This is the most common cause of some incredibly bizzare replies from CS, and this can sometimes cause considerable damage.
"Where are you located?" - is certainly on their script, but the answer will be down as "Malta", and even down to the detail of the offices holding the gaming servers. To an already suspicious recipient, this will feel like an attempt to deceive.
Email headers are not an exact indication of location, even though CASINOS just LOVE to use this argument when it comes to confiscating winnings (same IP address, forbidden state etc), and it is nice to see the less than exact geolocation based on IP address biting a CASINO on the ass instead.
Since this casino seems to have a great deal of trouble with "bot play", I would challenge them to show us the bot in question. I do not believe it credible that large numbers of players have suddenly gained the ability to produce their own bots for Casino Club, so there MUST be one commercially available that is being HEAVILY promoted as suitable for use at Casino Club.
The REAL winners are those selling the bot, there are players who buy the bot on promises of making money, and indeed some do, just like any good scheme, but on the whole, the Casino stands to win more money, although the bots will tend to disrupt their servers, leading to "human" players complaining about slow games, or quitting altogether.
I have certainly found a bot being advertised that covers over 70 different casinos, and it is not expensive, with the premium version a mere snip at $250, which they no doubt claim you will win back in no time at all.
If Casino Club are simply using "bot play" as an excuse for not paying winnings, they will be found out, and they will be finished as a business. Incidentally, it may not take much in the way of proof, all it needs is for proof of it NOT being bot play to be superior to the proof they use to determine it IS bot play.
It would be unusual for lawyers to get involved in a forum battle, and the appearance of a "legal team" usually has the opposite effect to that intended, as it changes the perceptions from "there may be something funny going on here" to "WTF have you got to hide!"
Last edited by Casinomeister; 8th January 2009 at 11:34 AM.
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