Use of bots

[SteveCut]

I was just browsing the PAB results and noticed that a number of casinos had refused payouts due to alleged use of bots. I also noticed that casinomeister seems to accept this action. What I don't understand is what is the casinos' objection to bot play? As all the games are rigged in the casinos' favour I'd have thought the use of bots would just increase their earnings. Or am I missing something? Or am I missing something that would be better left unanswered
Steve

[KasinoKing]

Originally Posted by SteveCut

I was just browsing the PAB results and noticed that a number of casinos had refused payouts due to alleged use of bots. I also noticed that casinomeister seems to accept this action. What I don't understand is what is the casinos' objection to bot play? As all the games are rigged in the casinos' favour I'd have thought the use of bots would just increase their earnings. Or am I missing something? Or am I missing something that would be better left unanswered
Steve

Hi Steve - welcome to the forum!

You are 'missing' a few things there:-
1. The house edge of the game is just that - the games are not 'rigged'. (Improper use of that word)
2. No doubt all the PAB's you are talking about refer to playing with a bonus.
3. There are certain bonus strategies which involve one big bet at the start, and then 'grinding out' 100's of hands at minimum stakes. This is incredibly boring & time consuming, so some players use these bots to play for them. This strategy makes many bonuses +EV for the player, and is certainly not playing in the 'spirit of the bonus' and is therefore deemed by most casinos as 'bonus abuse'.
Basically I do agree with the casinos, but I just wish they would use their T&C's and the software at their disposal to make any 'abuse' they don't like impossible, and put an end to 80% of player complaints.

I hope that helps!

KK

[SteveCut]

Thanks KK. BTW I realise they're not "rigged". Lazy writing on my part.

[SierraDawn]

Bots??
Guess, I am more out of the loop here on gambling than I thought

[jetset]

Originally Posted by SteveCut

I was just browsing the PAB results and noticed that a number of casinos had refused payouts due to alleged use of bots. I also noticed that casinomeister seems to accept this action. What I don't understand is what is the casinos' objection to bot play? As all the games are rigged in the casinos' favour I'd have thought the use of bots would just increase their earnings. Or am I missing something? Or am I missing something that would be better left unanswered
Steve

I don't think you can draw an inference from a specific PAB decision when it comes to the Casinomeister's policy on bots.

Individual findings often turn on whether the player has complied with the T&Cs on the gambling site for which he or she has signed up, although operators trying to push ridiculously unfair clauses such as the FU or the 'bonus abuser' abominations will often find themselves under pressure and have been known to relent.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by SteveCut

I was just browsing the PAB results and noticed that a number of casinos had refused payouts due to alleged use of bots. I also noticed that casinomeister seems to accept this action. What I don't understand is what is the casinos' objection to bot play? As all the games are rigged in the casinos' favour I'd have thought the use of bots would just increase their earnings. Or am I missing something? Or am I missing something that would be better left unanswered
Steve

I've argued the fact that all bots can do is make you lose you money faster. People who fall for purchasing "bots" are suckers - and one thing that most bot sellers won't tell you is that when casinos detect bot play (which they will) they will confiscate your winnings and kick you to the curb.

But losing your money faster is not what casinos are concerned about - it's something entirely different - the bottom line is that they want real people interacting with their casino - not a bunch of bots.

Imagine opening your own casino, you're waiting for players to arrive, and in swarm an army of Vortrans bellying up to the Black jack tables and playing at warp-speed. You'd probably say "get the f*** outta here!! Give me some real customers!"

Same thing goes with online casinos - they don't want people using software to play the games.

The bottom line for me is - if the casino specifically states in their terms and conditions that bot play is forbidden, then players should not use bots. There have been a couple of casinos that have been targeted by bot players, and this is probably what you are referring to in the PAB section

Don't use bots - they won't do you any good. They are easy to detect, and it's a sucker item like touted roulette systems. Stupid crap to throw your money at.

[lots0]

You have to remember that the "bot" is only as smart as the person programming it... And most of these guys programming casino gambling Bots aren't that smart.

I look at the people selling casino gambling bots the same way I look at the people that will tell you how to make a Million dollars for twenty bucks...

If their Bots really worked and made money... Why in the hell would they sell it? It would be like selling the goose that lays golden eggs for twenty bucks...

[spearmaster]

Bots have an advantage in that they do not make mistakes (assuming they've been properly programmed with the correct strategy from the start). Thus, casinos will make less money when a bot is in play.

Bots cannot, however, defeat the house edge of casino games - thus in the long run they are a losing proposition - EXCEPT when a bonus is given for play, whether this be a deposit bonus or comps (which usually don't reverse a house edge but they certainly make the house edge even less).

Bots can remove the tedious aspect of playing any game - especially slots, where I personally am too lazy to press the button continuously until I hit a feature round.

Bots do NOT make you money. They simply automate the process of winning (or more likely, losing) money. So there is no basis for someone promoting a bot which makes you money.

You DO have a better chance of getting ahead with a bot, because it doesn't make strategy mistakes - of course this only applies in games where the player has some control over what to do. Bots simply ensure that the casino has the game's built-in edge, and no more.

Now - if I were to run a casino:

1. I would allow bot play except when a bonus is in play.
2. I would be very happy to have a bunch of bots playing at my casino, except when a bonus is in play.
3. The faster a bot plays, the happier I am, except when a bonus is in play.

My reasoning:

* Bots don't give the player an edge, except when a bonus is in play.
* Bots don't argue the toss or chit-chat or complain or beg for bonuses.
* Bots don't take potty breaks or run to the fridge every few minutes.
* Bots don't make off-topic posts in forums.

[Pinababy69]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

* Bots don't argue the toss or chit-chat or complain or beg for bonuses.
* Bots don't take potty breaks or run to the fridge every few minutes.
* Bots don't make off-topic posts in forums.

But then you'd have nothing to do Spear.

[Vortran007]

Originally Posted by spearmaster

* Bots don't make off-topic posts in forums.

Greetings Spearmaster. What are you wearing for Halloween? Please let me know. Thank you.