Bad checks issued by Bodog

[yameater]

It seems the dog has bitten myself along with many others. I was issued a bogus check (NSF) last week and have paid hell for days now. Overdraft charges have killed me, and I'm not happy at all. They have not responded the way I would like them to, as they have issued me half of the original money I'm owed, but am now in waiting for another check. Anybody's guess weather it will be good or not. I have PM'd their rep here and have not heard anything. I think they should have at least overnighted the check to me to help make it right. Beware of the Dog at this point. As for myself, I'm definately done with them.

 

[Nifty29]

Hmmm...didnt I hear of the same thing with Bodog cheques a few months back??

Sounds like they need to change banks!

 

[RobWin]

Hmmm...didnt I hear of the same thing with Bodog cheques a few months back??

Sounds like they need to change banks!

What makes you think it's the banks fault that their checks are bouncing ? Usually when someone bounces a check it's because there is not enough money in their account...

 

[bryand]

All I had to do all along was change banks. Sh*t, I'm glad y'all told me that.

 

[winbig]

I know hindsight is 20/20, but with all of the current problems, why would someone go ahead and spend the money from a check that may or may not go through, based solely on it being from an online casino?

Surely one would wait to make sure the funds have cleared before spending it...

FWIW, are you assuming the check came back for NSF, or did you actually see the NSF stamp on the returned check?

 

[brianzz]

Anytime I've ever been paid via check from a casino there was a number to verify funds on it, I'd always call before I deposited it to make sure it was good.

Good point on it actually being NSF, your bank, or their parent bank, may have rejected it because it was from illegal activity.. the dreaded online gambling.

 

[maxd]

I see the Bodog rep was on-site a few days ago. I've alerted them to this thread and asked that they respond ASAP.

 

[Mousey]

Good point by Brianzzz. Sometimes we forget that banks are actively watching for casino related transactions. It is a possibility that your banks (or US banks overall) have been alerted that a particular processor 'name' is associated w/online gaming and your bank blocked the transaction. That means you must find out the actual reason for the bounce, as trying to cash another check from Bodog (if they're using the same processor) may have the same result.

I must agree w/Winbig ... given the current climate ... never, ever spend money from a casino check until you are certain the funds have cleared. And I have heard of these checks 'bouncing' more than a month after deposit. Best pretend the money isn't there for quite awhile.

There's a whole great big can of worms can come from requesting a check from a casino.

Yessir... nowadays when we gamble online, we're really taking a gamble.

 

[vinylweatherman]

This is probably down to your repressive regime under Bush, but it would be worth seeing if there are any reports of NON-US players having similar trouble with payments from BoDog. Some signs might be unusually long delays to normally "instant" payments to eWallets, or even checks bouncing for non-US players.
Given how BoDog have publicly run rings around the US government, it is likely that they have become a specific target for the DoJ to shut down, so far more recourses could be going into indentifying and halting the working payment methods used by BoDog. I expect shutting down BoDog will be seen as a nice "prize" for the authorities to be able to claim.

 

[Nifty29]

What makes you think it's the banks fault that their checks are bouncing ? Usually when someone bounces a check it's because there is not enough money in their account...

Yep - thats definitely true Rob - but I was thinking more along the lines of the bank classifying it as funds from online gambling and hence refusing to accept the funds from the other, or that the issuing bank cancelled the checks after discovering they were gambling related. Seems unlikely that Bodog wouldnt have the funds to cover it, but I guess anything is possible these days....

Maybe its time for yameater to change banks in that case!

 

[winbig]

And always remember that if you have a casino check for $1500 or less, you can take it to your local walmart. They only charge $3 max to cash any check.

They claim that it has to be a payroll or federal check, but how can they prove it's not a payroll check?

Of course they could come back some time later and say the check didn't clear, but I've yet to have that happen. It seems their bank has quite a hard time (if they even check) to see if a passed check was from an online casino or not.

I've cashed checks from Bodog there in the past without any problems.

 

[Nifty29]

"Whoa-oa here he comes....watch out boy he'll chew you uuup....who-oa here he comes.....he's a yaaaam-eater...."

Sorry yam - that song just came to my head and I had to have a giggle

 

[yameater]

I know hindsight is 20/20, but with all of the current problems, why would someone go ahead and spend the money from a check that may or may not go through, based solely on it being from an online casino?

Surely one would wait to make sure the funds have cleared before spending it...

FWIW, are you assuming the check came back for NSF, or did you actually see the NSF stamp on the returned check?

because it showed the funds in my online account 5 days later as if the funds had cleared. I didn't just assume it was NSF...believe me, I stood in the bank while they actually inquired what the problem was. Writing a bad check is still illegal my friend, and weather it is an online casino or not one just doesn't expect it, you know? I'm just making people aware of the situation so they can make their own choice to play there or not. I for one will NOT.
Just to update... a new check is on the way and the bank has offered to hold it, and let me know if and when the funds clear.

 

[RobWin]

because it showed the funds in my online account 5 days later as if the funds had cleared. I didn't just assume it was NSF...believe me, I stood in the bank while they actually inquired what the problem was. Writing a bad check is still illegal my friend, and weather it is an online casino or not one just doesn't expect it, you know? I'm just making people aware of the situation so they can make their own choice to play there or not. I for one will NOT.
Just to update... a new check is on the way and the bank has offered to hold it, and let me know if and when the funds clear.

yameater, it's actually a Felony to tender a bad check for over $300.00 or $500.00 depending on what state you live in...the Magistrate or DA's office can issue a warrant for the arrest of whoever signed that check...

 

[yameater]

yameater, it's actually a Felony to tender a bad check for over $300.00 or $500.00 depending on what state you live in...the Magistrate or DA's office can issue a warrant for the arrest of whoever signed that check...

Depending on what state you live in. Jesus, sorry i brought it up.

 

[winbig]

because it showed the funds in my online account 5 days later as if the funds had cleared. I didn't just assume it was NSF...believe me, I stood in the bank while they actually inquired what the problem was. Writing a bad check is still illegal my friend, and weather it is an online casino or not one just doesn't expect it, you know? I'm just making people aware of the situation so they can make their own choice to play there or not. I for one will NOT.
Just to update... a new check is on the way and the bank has offered to hold it, and let me know if and when the funds clear.

Take 'em to small claims court....in most states if someone passes you a rubber check, you can sue for 3x the value of the check

I can guarantee that nobody will show up to contest it.....hehehe

 

[bryand]

More legal mumbo jumbo....

You can only collect certain checks through the criminal courts - those given for goods delivered or services rendered at the time the check was written. Checks written to pay past due bills for example are collectable only in civil court. False imprisonment is also a felony

If asked by the judge, how would one go about proving he or she took the check in exchange for goods or services of valuable consideration? EEEK.

 

[brianzz]

Take 'em to small claims court....in most states if someone passes you a rubber check, you can sue for 3x the value of the check

I can guarantee that nobody will show up to contest it.....hehehe

And if they do show up I'm sure the FBI and the fed and interpol will offer you a hefty reward for someone from bodog stepping foot in the US

 

[RobWin]

Depending on what state you live in. Jesus, sorry i brought it up.

No yameater, you misunderstood, it's a felony towards Bodog...not you, you're the one that needs to bring the charges against Bodog...

 

[yameater]

No yameater, you misunderstood, it's a felony towards Bodog...not you, you're the one that needs to bring the charges against Bodog...

Sorry RobWin, I did misunderstand. I'm a little touchy right now...frayed nerves, cross eyes, nail biting...all the side affects that go with bounced checks. I see your point now. thx.

 

[realwtfsup]

I was also issued a bad check by Bodog for $2500. They say there sending a new one by courier. Only thing they offered as an apology was a 10% bonus if I kept the $2500 in my Bodog account.

 

[maxd]

I've heard back from the Bodog rep as follows:

Hi Max,

Yes, unfortunately we did experience an issue with our cheque processor recently which resulted in a batch of cheques bouncing. I believe we've done everything we can to resolve player issues. It's always best for players to call or email Customer Service to resolve their particular case, where they will learn of the following:

1) Players can have the payout immediately reissued and bumped up to Check by Courier (free of charge). Some clients may have their payout reissued by another method, depending on their eComm eligibility.

2) NSF fees under $40 will covered without documentation, and we'll cover anything above that with documentation.

It's an unfortunate situation, we regret the impact this has had on our players and we believe we're doing what we can to resolve the situation fairly.

Regards,

Bodog Casino

 

[pevangel]

well another rogue in my opinion sorry if i am wrong but i don't think so, what a shame if they do this kind of thing, shame on you bodog.

so sorry for your trouble

pevangel

 

[winbig]

well another rogue in my opinion sorry if i am wrong but i don't think so, what a shame if they do this kind of thing, shame on you bodog.

so sorry for your trouble

pevangel

Playing devils advocate again -

How is it Bodog's fault that their processor had problems with checks?

They've already stated that they'll refund what players are out with proper documentation. How is that roguish?

With the current climate here in the USA, you can't expect miracles.

One thing that really strengthens Bodog's case here is the fact that it's ultimately up to the processor to tell Bodog if there's not enough funds in an account to process withdrawals...Both are at fault to an extent, but the processor is the one cutting the checks, not Bodog.

Sure, Bodog could switch processors, but, again, with the UIGEA, it's hard to find a good one.

 

[pevangel]

exactly switch processors i am sorry but if this happened in the past then does'nt that give them a hint to change their processor, i have no pity for them so sorry. but bodog wake up and smell the coffee. this poor player is paying for bodogs problem, sorry its not right.


pevangel

 

[RobWin]

Playing devils advocate again -

How is it Bodog's fault that their processor had problems with checks?

They've already stated that they'll refund what players are out with proper documentation. How is that roguish?

With the current climate here in the USA, you can't expect miracles.

One thing that really strengthens Bodog's case here is the fact that it's ultimately up to the processor to tell Bodog if there's not enough funds in an account to process withdrawals...Both are at fault to an extent, but the processor is the one cutting the checks, not Bodog.

Sure, Bodog could switch processors, but, again, with the UIGEA, it's hard to find a good one.

Ok, so I'll Play devils advocate on the flip side then....

You've got to admit though Win that it is a bit F*****g strange that they don't or won't mention why this happened...eg: Lack of funds, local bank would not accept check etc. etc.....TELL US WHY Bodog, that this happened ...the exact reason...and if the processor is at fault...then why...lack of funds or other....WHY ?

If I issue you a check and you can't cash it for whatever reason is this really anyones fault other than my own, or is it my accountants or bookkeepers fault because they actually wrote the check that I issued to you...should I not know what's going on with my own processor since they work for me just like the processor that works for Bodog...I don't think that Bodog works for the processor do they ?

 

[bryand]

You've got to admit though Win that it is a bit F*****g strange that they don't or won't mention why this happened...eg: Lack of funds, local bank would not accept check etc. etc.....TELL US WHY Bodog, that this happened ...the exact reason...and if the processor is at fault...then why...lack of funds or other....WHY ?

For what its worth, I know from personal experience that the same thing happened to a well funded and respected MG group about 3 years ago. They never told me specifics of the problem.

 

[winbig]

If I issue you a check and you can't cash it for whatever reason is this really anyones fault other than my own, or is it my accountants or bookkeepers fault because they actually wrote the check that I issued to you

IMO, the processor is ultimately responsible for this. Sure, it's up to Bodog to know whether or not funds are available, but if the processor still cuts the check, knowing there aren't enough funds in the account they're writing the check on, then yes, it's their fault. In the end, they're the ones writing the checks, not Bodog. Yes, it's Bodog's fault for not having enough money in the account, but it's the processors responsibility to alert Bodog of this problem before they write the check.


The processor is told what checks to write, and for how much...they should know how much is in that account at any given time, which obviously isn't true in this case. Piss-poor management on both ends if you ask me - Bodog, for not keeping enough money in the account, and the processor for writing checks, either knowing full well that there's not enough cash to cover it, or by simply writing the checks not knowing the balance in the account at the time they're written.


@pevangel:

exactly switch processors

That's easier said than done these days. I'm sure there are very few processors out there that can both handle the volume of payments that Bodog generates, and will still process gaming transactions to Americans.

i am sorry but if this happened in the past then does'nt that give them a hint to change their processor, i have no pity for them so sorry. but bodog wake up and smell the coffee. this poor player is paying for bodogs problem, sorry its not right.

Bodog has already stated they will reimburse players every penny they are out, with proper documentation. This, however, still doesn't make it right, and the players that wrote checks against the money from Bodog will forever have a mark on their record showing that they bounced checks

 

[yameater]

The beef I have with them right now is that they have NOT covered my $600.00+ ( yes, that's right, $600.00+) in overdraft fees even though I jpegged the bank statement to them the day after all the transactions started hitting my account. E-Commerce claimed it was not legible which is not true at all. I opened it up to check and had no problem seeing that figure on my statement. They have been quite subdued in their apologies also, and it has been 10 days since they said they would issue the remainder of my payment. To top things off, I found out today that FedEx said ithe sender did not put the apt. # on the address, so I have to go pick it up from my local FedEx office. Bodog has gotten the address right with the last few checks, so this is strange. I'm just not happy with them and will not play there anymore. To each their own, and I would not criticize anyone who continues to play there, but I still think it is the casino's responsibility to choose processors on the up and up.

 

[pacers31]

Agreed yameater, it is ultimately the responsibility of the casino. And here is another good one. If some places can ACH payments in the USA for amounts over $2500, why not for lesser amounts???? That to me is the great cosmic question to be answered. Hell, I could probably get a check from the moon in faster time than 3-4 weeks!!

 

[chuchu59]

Just one question. If 3 Dice can do it why are the others unable to learn and offer the same to USA players. Mind-boggling really.

 

[winbig]

The beef I have with them right now is that they have NOT covered my $600.00+ ( yes, that's right, $600.00+) in overdraft fees even though I jpegged the bank statement to them the day after all the transactions started hitting my account. E-Commerce claimed it was not legible which is not true at all. I opened it up to check and had no problem seeing that figure on my statement. They have been quite subdued in their apologies also, and it has been 10 days since they said they would issue the remainder of my payment. To top things off, I found out today that FedEx said ithe sender did not put the apt. # on the address, so I have to go pick it up from my local FedEx office. Bodog has gotten the address right with the last few checks, so this is strange. I'm just not happy with them and will not play there anymore. To each their own, and I would not criticize anyone who continues to play there, but I still think it is the casino's responsibility to choose processors on the up and up.

I haven't played at Bodog since December, and will continue my boycott. I thought they were getting their act together, but I guess not. The last time I cashed out was around November, and I received a non-rubber check within 10 working days - a new record for them.

It really pisses me off to no extent that I was boasting about them a few months ago for apparently getting their act together, and they turn around and pull this crap.


Be lucky you're not with certain banks....I know of one (5th 3rd) that will tack on $6 a DAY in overdraft fees for every day your account is overdrawn.

 

[yameater]

I haven't played at Bodog since December, and will continue my boycott. I thought they were getting their act together, but I guess not. The last time I cashed out was around November, and I received a non-rubber check within 10 working days - a new record for them.

It really pisses me off to no extent that I was boasting about them a few months ago for apparently getting their act together, and they turn around and pull this crap.


Be lucky you're not with certain banks....I know of one (5th 3rd) that will tack on $6 a DAY in overdraft fees for every day your account is overdrawn.

I too was thinking how great it was to get their checks in the mail a lot quicker recently. I got a couple of past payouts about a month ago in 5 days. I thought "wow", thanks Bodog! And the irony to this for me is, this is the biggest win I had so far with any casino, online or B & M...over $4000.00. By the time all this nightmare with my bank was over and re-issue of the checks (they split the amount the second time) 10 days later, the thrill of winning was not as sweet. I am lucky though that I talked to my bank manager and he removed a lot of the overdraft fees now.

 

[seaquest]

Also, bad paper

I have also been sent a bad check from Bodog..... 3rd time in a year that this has happened to me. I have never sent in a bad deposit so it seems that I must be like a rocket scientist compared to their accounting people.
Reputation is everything and Bodog is starting to look like just another RTG gone bad. PS.... it has been 42 days since cashin and still not paid other than the piece of rubber I was sent- I think the check could be used as an advertising ploy for land based casinos...whatcha think? seaquest

 

[winbig]

I think the check could be used as an advertising ploy for land based casinos...whatcha think? seaquest

Or add more fire to the war against online gambling..

 

[yameater]

I have also been sent a bad check from Bodog..... 3rd time in a year that this has happened to me. I have never sent in a bad deposit so it seems that I must be like a rocket scientist compared to their accounting people.
Reputation is everything and Bodog is starting to look like just another RTG gone bad. PS.... it has been 42 days since cashin and still not paid other than the piece of rubber I was sent- I think the check could be used as an advertising ploy for land based casinos...whatcha think? seaquest

seaquest, 42 days!!!???. You are one patient individual. You should insist on a Moneygram payment as long as it is under $2,500.00. there is no excuse to wait that long for repayment from them. I say call them everyday until they pay! Best of luck to you. I can sympathize with you. Winbig is right though. It might be risky to expose the issue too much to the "other side".

 

[just play]

I have also been sent a bad check from Bodog..... 3rd time in a year that this has happened to me. I have never sent in a bad deposit so it seems that I must be like a rocket scientist compared to their accounting people.
Reputation is everything and Bodog is starting to look like just another RTG gone bad. PS.... it has been 42 days since cashin and still not paid other than the piece of rubber I was sent- I think the check could be used as an advertising ploy for land based casinos...whatcha think? seaquest

I see now in their cashier section there are only 2 options to withdraw....the check withdrawal is only courier now and it says "may take up to 15 working days" I have teeny $100 cashout on Feb.9. Not here yet.

Just a few months ago my checks were getting here within 5 days!!!

It's really strange

 

[TDTAT]

This was in the GPWA news letter yesterday, I hope it is relevant to this thread

"GPWA acquires Bodog
We are very pleased and excited to announce that the GPWA has established a controlling interest in Bodog. Planning for the acquisition began some time ago. The first order of business was to raise the necessary capital. This was a group exercise at the management level within the GPWA since we felt it was necessary to raise enough funds to fight off any subsequent takeover attempts."