ICE - Player issues and questions

[Westland Bowl]

I'd like to know when Wager Logic, Playtech, and others are going to come back into the US market, considering that Microgaming and RTG don't have problems with it.

[RobWin]

Originally Posted by Westland Bowl

I'd like to know when Wager Logic, Playtech, and others are going to come back into the US market, considering that Microgaming and RTG don't have problems with it.

I second that Westland Bowl, damn good question man !! Please don't forget this one Meister....we will quiz you later you know....

[pevangel]

i third that, what westland and rob ask.

pevangel

[RobWin]

Originally Posted by pevangel

i third that, what westland and rob ask.

pevangel

Ok Meister, it's a unanimous vote now for this question to be asked of these software and gaming group providers....

[SlotMonster]

Ask why they keep sending to us spam e-mails with offers if account was closed/locked/user from restricted country?

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by lojo

Ed Ware has stated it to be untrue in the past. I'd like it from the horse's mouth as far as corporate. Ed has the finest integrity and reputation, but afaik, he doesn't program slots.

We must not forget that Ed is simply a customer of Microgaming, he may not actually know. We should ask Ed what he knew about what forum members have recently discovered about older 5 reel slots using weighted reels, which is not how video slots are supposed to work. We could then ask if Ed knows the individual payout percentage of each slot game, and if there is any reason why players cannot be allowed to know this information. If players ARE allowed to know this, we could ask Ed to release the payouts to the forum "scientists" so that we can verify the recent work by Zoozie and co in first cracking the reels, and then attempting to compute the individual payout percentages.
Crucially, if Zoozie's simulator comes out with the same percentage return as the Microgaming official figures, we will have evidence that prove their later video slots to be truly random, it would actually be to the benefit of Microgaming to have this claim verified by what would be seen by players as an independent team of investigators

[Casinomeister]

Getting ready to head out. Good questions

Originally Posted by Westland Bowl

I'd like to know when Wager Logic, Playtech, and others are going to come back into the US market, considering that Microgaming and RTG don't have problems with it.

That's easy - Wagerlogic (Crypto) and Playtech are publicly traded - MGS and RTG are private companies. A publicly traded company answers to its share holders.

[zman]

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Getting ready to head out. Good questions



That's easy - Wagerlogic (Crypto) and Playtech are publicly traded - MGS and RTG are private companies. A publicly traded company answers to its share holders.

Can you ask intercasino why i never win there Bryan?

[RobWin]

Originally Posted by vinylweatherman

We must not forget that Ed is simply a customer of Microgaming, he may not actually know. We should ask Ed what he knew about what forum members have recently discovered about older 5 reel slots using weighted reels, which is not how video slots are supposed to work. We could then ask if Ed knows the individual payout percentage of each slot game, and if there is any reason why players cannot be allowed to know this information. If players ARE allowed to know this, we could ask Ed to release the payouts to the forum "scientists" so that we can verify the recent work by Zoozie and co in first cracking the reels, and then attempting to compute the individual payout percentages.
Crucially, if Zoozie's simulator comes out with the same percentage return as the Microgaming official figures, we will have evidence that prove their later video slots to be truly random, it would actually be to the benefit of Microgaming to have this claim verified by what would be seen by players as an independent team of investigators

Good luck on getting an honest answer to that one...I personally think you're pissing in the wind if you really think MG will ever fess up to letting players know the real truth behind how their slots actually work, I don't believe IGT has ever released that kind of info to the general public in all the years that they have been in business...

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by RobWin

Good luck on getting an honest answer to that one...I personally think you're pissing in the wind if you really think MG will ever fess up to letting players know the real truth behind how their slots actually work, I don't believe IGT has ever released that kind of info to the general public in all the years that they have been in business...

It would be enough to have the individual payout figures, this should be enough to determine if the game is really a random slot, or some kind of lottery game with wins displayed as a slot combination (as is the case with many of the new breed of UK arcade 5 reel video slots).

It may be "pissing in the wind", but a powerful PC can eventually do enough "pissing" to get a sample big enough to compare with the figures calculated by the forum scientists. The older video slots, the "cheating" weighted ones, have short reels, and the sample needed to get a pretty accurate payout percentage is a good deal smaller. Slots such as Thunderstruck though, would require a very big sample to get a figure accurate enough to show any possible cheating, probably north of 10 million spins! I have certainly found that samples of several tens of thousand spins are still too small to get any meaningful payout data for Thunderstruck.