Outing Rogue Affiliates

[lots0]

Outing Rogue Affiliates, interesting subject.

If your going to start outing rogue affiliates, in my opinion, you should start with Casino Affiliate Programs (CAP), one of the so called "leaders" in the casino affiliate business.

A large number of new casino affiliates get their information about casino affiliate programs and their start in the casino affiliate business from CAP. When the new casino affiliates see that CAP promotes ROGUE programs they think that it is OK to promote ROGUE casinos. I mean if CAP, one of the top casino superaffiliate websites promotes Rogue Casinos, why can't the average casino affiliate webmaster promote ROGUES like Absolute Poker?

In the CAP awards, Chipleader, the affiliate program for Absolute Poker is listed as a choice for "Best Poker Affiliate Program".
capawards. com

The discussions at CAP regarding making Absolute Poker a Rogue because they were caught cheating, have been quashed at CAP by the admin, a guy that calls himself "the professor", kinda like what was done when CAP was supporting the ROGUE casino 888 and most all casino affiliates wanted to see 888 Rogued.

As long as there is a "CAP" or an affiliate promotion site like CAP that promotes these Rogue casino programs and tells new casino affiliates that it is OK to promote these ROGUE programs your going to have a large amount of ROGUE Affiliates that don't care about the players and put profit above all else.

I especially like this statement from the professor at CAP talking about the Absolute Poker cheating scandal.
The Professor said, "Trust me if its proven that they allowed a past or present employee to rig games or tournaments we WILL BARBECUE THEIR ASS."
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...ad.php?t=22637


Well it's been proven and even admitted by Absolute Poker that employees did have access to hole cards during play and did rig games... But now the professor refuses to "Barbecue their ass" and has refused to respond to any queries about Absolute Poker and has listed Chipleader (absolute Poker's affiliate program) as one of the best poker affiliate programs out there, thus promoting the cheating card room Absolute Poker.

.... And some wonder why the casino affiliate business has such a bad reputation...

[lojo]

That is surprising and disappointing, Lots0. I had no idea. I've always respected and admired the Professor's contributions here.

I hope that this thread doesn't fall foul of the term against 'posting solely for the purpose of damaging another's business'; but I would think acceptions could be made. Rogue is rogue and information is information. As long as the claims are substantiated (your links are valid, you have cited inquiries to them in this matter) I think publishing the information here is proper and should be encouraged by Bryan.

How to bring CAP into the light?

Will the Professor respond?

Is this a losing battle?

[lots0]

Is this a losing battle?

If you mean, stopping ROGUE Casino Affiliates... yes I believe it is a losing battle, until there is regulation of online gaming instead of prohibition inside the US.

As far as not falling afoul of the T&C's here, I was posting to point out a very real problem in casino affiliate marketing, even though it is a problem that very few in the business even want to talk about in public.

It is up Bryan and the Mods if they want to remove my post or not.

[lojo]

In one of my initial posts in this thread I suggested that people identify rogue affiliates, contact them in private to inform them that they were promoting rogues, and if they didn't 'change their ways', in a reasonable amount of time - to out them here.

I was referring to that as much as you 'outing' CAP. From my experience here, the posts are never removed. (unlike some other less credible forums run by rogue affiliates)

But, of course it is their call.

[Casinomeister]

In defense of CAP (and the GPWA for that matter) they are in a tough position when it comes to determining what "rogue" is when it pertains to casinos/poker rooms. They are both businesses set up to support the affiliate and affiliate programs. So in essence, this is the segment of the industry that they are concerned with.

For a fact CAP does take action against programs that support rogue behaviour (888.com for example during the Black hat blog spam). But I honestly don't think they are equipped to handle what defines rogue as it pertains to players. Mostly because they are approaching the industry from another perspective.

There are many levels of "rogue" and it can be extremely subjective. In Casinomeister's rogue section there are a number of categories, some more serious than others. If an affiliate had promoted the FL group while they were rogued here, that was no big deal for me since it was the casino's lack of proper action that landed them in the rogue pit. But if an affiliate is promoting a casino that has known cheating software - well, that's another story.

I'm not about to start outing affiliates who promote crap casinos. My mission is to provide enough information to enable players to make qualified decisions for themselves. I got in a couple of pissing contests with some other webmasters some time ago, and I realized it just wasn't worth it. That's not my place.

[Casinomeister]

It's Friday night my time, and I know there is some volatile subject matter here. Please no flaming, no obnoxious behaviour, no portal wars, or anything else that could be a breach in the posting rules.

Had to say this before taking off

Be cool.

[lojo]

No problem, I totally respect your position and we will keep it cool, and the 'outing' will be done in accord of the rules.

Have a great weekend

[lojo]

Giving credit where credit is due... I mentioned in another post in this thread that at least one Rival affiliate manager screens their new affiliates to be sure they aren't promoting casinos that steal, at the very least.

I wanted to mention the forward thinking excellence of 3Dice. When alerted to an affiliate site that was promoting them on the same site as thieving casinos - they made the decision; 'they can choose us or the rogues' we will not support that affiliate if they don't remove them.

Kudos!!! 3Dice understands that in the long run it really does matter who their 'bedfellows' are.

[Casinomeister]

By the way, 888.com lost their stripes here:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...ed.11581.html?

But I think they regained them. Just like they were rogued here for a while - they cleared up the blog crap and promised to be more responsive/responsible.

That's another thing. There are some rogue behaviours that pass with time. Sometimes a casino or casino group screw up something royal (Jackpot Factory's "I cured cancer with slots" debacle comes to mind), but once the problem is addressed and fixed, what then? JP was in the rogue pit for six months or so, but brought back on board about a year ago and things have been fine since.

And then there are absolute evil rogue entities...

So at times "rogue" can be a bit tricky...

[lots0]

Yup I guess 888 was removed from CAP for a few months.

Suspended in May - Re instated in October.

http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.c...er.14958.html?


I think most of us understand that the term ROGUE is subjective when applied to online casinos.

I guess all it boils down to personal "Ethics" and what each of us finds offensive or "wrong".