BetVoyager.com - any opinion?

[Casinomeister]

I would apply the "Spot the Rogue" excercise to this:
http://www.casinomeister.com/casino_pick.php

and go from there. What I don't like is the similarity in software provider names:

Gamesys NV
http://www.gamesys.an/

and

Gamesys Group
http://www.gamesyscorporate.com/

This is a red flag for me, as well as the connections to any business east of the Oder river

[SlotMonster]

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

as well as the connections to any business east of the Oder river

It sounds very...biassed...

[Alexandre]

Originally Posted by Alexandre

…but the fact that it's… using the name of a another egaming company which is quite famous (Gamesys aka JackpotJoy) and powered by the same software which was developed by a dead Russian online casino doesn't look very serious.

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

What I don't like is the similarity in software provider names:
Gamesys NV
http://www.gamesys.an/
and
Gamesys Group
http://www.gamesyscorporate.com/
This is a red flag for me, as well as the connections to any business east of the Oder river

Being paraphrased by the Meister fills me with joy and brings me the feeling of social recognition I was always waiting for because I deserve it more than anyone else
That said, I have to confess that I’m a bit disappointed by the answer of SlotMonster.

Originally Posted by SlotMonster

And Hibet interested me as casino which FIRST included RC in all games!
And Yes, I tried to attract your attention to this thread

So you clearly say that you know Hibet’s software and its specificity, as it’s the “FIRST included RC in all games!”

Originally Posted by SlotMonster

Flying on WWW i found one unknown (for me) casino - BetVoyager. So could anyone please tell me about this casino? Which software they use?
It looks "not bad", visual, of course. And they have "Randomness Control" option based on SHA-256 algorithm!
Any opinions? Want to try to play with.

So why did you start this thread asking which software was using this unknown casino ?
I’ve seen Hibet’s software once and I could recognize it on the fly when I saw BetVoyager.
It looks very sneaky….and this even more: “Want to try to play with.”

Originally Posted by SlotMonster

As you know, Hibet.ru was closed due to stupid russian law, which enforce to close all casinos (and online too!) registered in Rus Federation. Russians are going to create 4 gamezones (smthng like russian Las-Vegas).
So it wasn't cause of illegal activity, I mean closing Hibet.ru. They just followed letter of the law. And Hibet interested me as casino which FIRST included RC in all games! And it doesn't mean (for me) in which country they are registered!

Sorry, but I have no information about the reasons which forced Hibet.ru to close, so don’t assume I know.

Originally Posted by SlotMonster

And Yes, I think that including RC in all games will stop all complaints like "Oooh, I busted, this stupid SW cheats me!"
And Yes, I tried to attract your attention to this thread because you, like kids, cannot (or just don't want) see evident advantage of RC. Just imagine that! You will be able to CONTROL the game! You won't be just passive players! I cannot believe that it's insufficient to demand including RC in all games (and in all casinos!)!

That’s a passionate speech about RC, SHA-256 checksum or whatever you want to call it, which remembers me another one, performed by Chris Crocker.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eOSDRNOLp4
I don’t understand your reaction especially because I’ve said before that “To be honest, I'm quiet interested by the SHA-256 checksum…”
But as thelawnet explained it before in the Hibet thread, even if it’s an interesting option to study, it doesn’t prevent the player from casino cheating

Originally Posted by thelawnet

What does this mean?
Well, it means that the cards were determined before the deck was shuffled. This means that the casino cannot be dealing seconds.
This does not mean that they are not cheating: for instance, you could make the player's first card disproportionately likely to be a six. In other words: if you arrange the deck in a way that is deterimental to the player, then there is no protection.

[SlotMonster]

(quote) So you clearly say that you know Hibet’s software and its specificity, as it’s the “FIRST included RC in all games!”
Yes, you right, I knew Hibet's specificity, and I found it very impressive.

(quote) So why did you start this thread asking which software was using this unknown casino ?
Cause I still don't know which software they use. All I know that Hibet used self-made SW.
And I thought that BV bought Hibet's SW (just try to remember MG casinos - they all look alike). That's why I asked
you to make it clear for me!

(quote) It looks very sneaky…and this even more: “Want to try to play with.”
And what's so bad? I still cannot understand your words, sorry. When new casino (even if this casino
use well-known SW) heave in sight - they are unknown, don't you think so? You don't know anything about it
f.e. about owner, SW, license, games, payouts, CS, etc. So this casino is still unknown.

(quote) Sorry, but I have no information about the reasons which forced Hibet.ru to close, so don’t assume I know.
NP. Just wanted to make it clear.

(quote) That’s a passionate speech about RC
Agree

And another. I will try to give more detailed explanation about Randomness Control. First of all, I must say that it
be better to call it "Invariability Control". Many people (not only in Meisterland) think, that many online-casinos
are able to change game results according to player's bets (say, you placed bet on RED --> they can change result, and it
will be BLACK). Or, let's say, you have 20 on BJ, and Dealer have 6. some tricks with SW --> and Dealer receive 10, and then
5 = 21, and you busted. So, the purpose of Randomness(Invariability) Control is to give to player unanswerable proof that
game results weren't changed DURING THE GAME! So, if you want to compare checksum (which will show you what you must to
receive) with game results (what you actually received) and results will be identical, f.e. numbers on Roulette --> it will
proof that you received exactly the same result, and casino didn't changed numbers during the game session.
Hope, it was clear. And "please feel free to contact me if any questiuon" (CS of I-don't-remember-which-casino)

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by SlotMonster

It sounds very...biassed...

Maybe so, but it serves me well

[hedges]

so the verdict is? randomness control is a kind of cool gimmick, but would you really want to use it on every hand? that's a lot of cutting and pasting.

[SlotMonster]

Originally Posted by hedges

would you really want to use it on every hand?

You do not need to use it in EVERY hand. f.e. on Roulette I can create sequence of 60 numbers (with one checksum), then play these numbers, and then see then all at once

Originally Posted by hedges

that's a lot of cutting and pasting

Agree, but you can check the checksum for selected hands (f.e. if you lose), not for every

[hedges]

i'm a little embrassed to admit that never occurred to me. thanks for the pointer. what about the no house edge promise? is that a common promotion? i assume there's no way to check that it's for real, even with RC.

[SlotMonster]

Originally Posted by hedges

what about the no house edge promise? is that a common promotion? i assume there's no way to check that it's for real, even with RC.

I think it makes sense to offer this promo And yes, you cannot check this

[hedges]

maybe i'm naive, but i kinda like the rc function. i mean, until the nevada gaming commission starts regulating online gambling , it's not like we can ever be 100% on any internet casino. at least rc lets you take verification into your own hands.
on the other hand, maybe it's just because i've had pretty decent luck at betvoyager (at least with the low-stakes bets that i make) that i'm favorably disposed to the site.