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    Thumbs down Is it true that affiliates make 25%-50% off MY LOSSES?!!

    I thought they only make 10% or so, that'd be reasonable.
    But 25%-50% , wow....makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A23456789TJQK
    I thought they only make 10% or so, that'd be reasonable.
    But 25%-50% , wow....makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.
    dont know if any casino is gonna give away 50% of their bottom line.

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    Think about how the casino feels, taking all of the chance if you win, and don't get full credit if you lose. Also if you keep comming back it is because of what the casino is offering you in terms of service, payouts,bonus, setup, etc. And the affiliate owns you for life. If you stop playing at the casino, and two years from now the casino contacts you, and gets you to play again, the affiliate still gets their share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A23456789TJQK
    makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.
    Building a site with going on 3000 pages that need to be kept current and that provide info about just about every non blacklisted casino and every game in every software is doing nothing?

    Putting hundreds of articles about the different strategies in poker and other games online is nothing?

    I spend 10 hours a day to achieve this, and usually seven days a week. It took over 5 years of that to make my site what it is.

    And all of it is free to use for anyone.

    No one I know makes 50% or even remotely that, occasionally a brand new place tries to attract affiliates by offering some ungodly amount like that, for a very limited time.

    There are other forms of payment too, like a percentage of wager, or deposit, or a one time payment per player sent.

    For those who do choose percentage of losses, one decent winner will wipe out income for an entire month, and it happens frequently.

    On top of that, the statistics provided by the casinos are not audited by anyone and no one ever knows if they are being paid what they earned or not.

    Makes me sick someone would value my work so little...
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    Remember though, if a player wins the aff. gets nothing. Similarly, wins / losses are summed. So:

    Player 1 = win $100
    Player 2 = lose $100

    Net gain for aff = $0.

    However, ultimately it means casinos get thousands of players for relatively small cost. And also remember that ultimately aff. programs means money for the casino. 30% of every $100 still manes the casino makes $70 per $100 for a player they wouldn't usually have acquired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A23456789TJQK
    I thought they only make 10% or so, that'd be reasonable.
    But 25%-50% , wow....makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.
    If you don't like it, here are a few things you can do:
    1. Don't open spam.
    2. Don't use affiliate sites.
    3. Use your bonuses wisely and cashout when you are ahead.
    4. Reject any affiliate who says bonuses are bad.
    5. Don't lose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A23456789TJQK
    I thought they only make 10% or so, that'd be reasonable.
    But 25%-50% , wow....makes me feel sick knowing what could have been my rebates and comps went to somebody else for basically doing nothing or very little. Or by spamming me! Talking about unjust enrichment.
    Dont respond to spam then. Its better that any affiliate get it then the greedy ass casinos right???

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    Quote Originally Posted by liquidsoap
    . Its better that any affiliate get it then the greedy ass casinos right???

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    Quote Originally Posted by dominique
    Building a site with going on 3000 pages that need to be kept current and that provide info about just about every non blacklisted casino and every game in every software is doing nothing?
    The casinos themselves will update me, you are useless.
    Quote Originally Posted by dominique
    Putting hundreds of articles about the different strategies in poker and other games online is nothing?
    They are available in the web, its not like you DERIVED yourself. Anybody coulda gotten to those using Google just like you did.
    Quote Originally Posted by dominique
    I spend 10 hours a day to achieve this, and usually seven days a week. It took over 5 years of that to make my site what it is.
    You spendin how much time is 100% irrelevant. I coulda spent my whole life pushing drugs or wiping my butt but will the time itself legitimizes my act and turn my act into something MEANINGFUL?
    Quote Originally Posted by dominique
    No one I know makes 50% or even remotely that, occasionally a brand new place tries to attract affiliates by offering some ungodly amount like that, for a very limited time.
    So you DO make 50%. The timeframe itself is irrelevant.

    Quote Originally Posted by dominique
    For those who do choose percentage of losses, one decent winner will wipe out income for an entire month, and it happens frequently.
    Emmmmmmmm How frequent? Won't them casinos be outta business then?

    Quote Originally Posted by dominique
    On top of that, the statistics provided by the casinos are not audited by anyone and no one ever knows if they are being paid what they earned or not.
    Well with all due respect that's YOUR friggin problem ain't it? Has nothing to do with whether affiliates deserve 35% of my money.

    Makes me sick finding out people like you ACTUALLY THINK you deserve my hard earned money, and actually tries so hard to argue with these extremely poor defences, lol!

    But I stress it again, I am not totally dismissing what you do. If you make 10%, its ok, anything more than that you don't deserve it. My opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by soflat
    4. Reject any affiliate who says bonuses are bad.
    Damn - I'm gonna lose all my friends now

    As an affiliate myself, I can't be 100% objective on this issue but I'd still like to have my say on the original topic.

    IMO it's up to the player to decide if an affiliate gives value. Yes it's the casino who takes the hit (they regard affiliate payments as a marketing cost) so it's down to the player to decide if they prefer the idea of any money they lose going to the casino or an affiliate. Before I was an affiliate, it never used to bother me providing I felt that the info an affiliate had given me was solid, honest and up-front.

    My take on it is this: if an affiliate provides useful information that a player cannot find out from the casino directly, or they get a useful honest review of a casino from an affiliate that helps them decide where/where not to play, then there's some value in that.

    Take Casinomeister for example - A23456789TJQK you spend a fair bit of time here and use the service Bryan provides, I therefore assume you find the site useful. Therefore isn't it fair that Bryan gets some reward for his efforts? Especially in light of the fact that it doesn't cost you anything.

    I don't dispute the fact that a lot of affiliates do not put as much effort into consideration of the player as they should, but those that do in my opinion are doing a useful job. In my opinion, players themselves make the most worthy affiliates. There are "good" affiliates and "bad" affiliates, just like there are "good" casinos and "bad" casinos, or "good" players and "bad" players. At the end of the day though, every individual has a choice (unless you live in Washington ).

    10%, 25%, 50% or 100% - how do you put a value on information? If an affiliate prevents you from playing a rogue casino where you'd have lost hundreds of dollars, how do you value that? Not that you'll ever know of course

    Cheers

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    Last edited by Simmo!; 1st July 2006 at 11:38 AM.


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