Announcement It's finally here - Casinomeister Rating System

[The Dude]

It's taken a good chunk of time, but it's finally up and running - the Casinomeister Accredited Casinos Rating System (CACRS)
https://www.casinomeister.com/rating-system-explanation/

It's pretty much all explained on that page. Casinos are scored by jurisdictions, software providers, reverse times, cashout times, flushing, weekly cashout limits and a variety of other things.

What I haven't implemented yet is support ratings. That could be something to include in the future.

And if there are other factors you'd like to see included, please let me know and perhaps we can start a "wish list".

Feel free to discus here

 

[homerbert]

very nice
but i think you should do clickable text RATING to allow sort rating of casinos from highest to lowest.

 

[The Dude]

very nice
but i think you should do clickable text RATING to allow sort rating of casinos from highest to lowest.

Noted.

 

[rainmaker]

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CACRS looks great. Will be interesting to follow.

Well done again Meister

 

[The Dude]

In case some of you are wondering why some scores are so low - it's the cashout times, reversal times, and weekly payout limitations. Awards and bonuses are not part of the equation.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Good job, pretty extensive list too.
Now all that is "missing" would be the players input?
Like players, maybe only members from fully registered and up, could give their rating, from 1 to 10, which would then be visible under the meister rating.
Wasn't that something that you wanted to do?
Maybe i missed that, i do try to keep up, but im very busy lately with my own site, so i dont check everything ^.^
But, so far, so awesome, it's really a big improvement!
Thanks for the work.

 

[conker]

I was thinking of doing something similar on one of my sites, but youv'e beaten me to it

I shall probably just say "CM rating = 9.5" instead now

The one thing that I would have been slightly hesitant about is giving the software firms different ratings. Personally I believe a lot of that is down to preference and you may find you start getting it in the neck from them if they feel they should get a higher mark.

Very good job though

 

[The Dude]

Good job, pretty extensive list too.
Now all that is "missing" would be the players input?
Like players, maybe only members from fully registered and up, could give their rating, from 1 to 10, which would then be visible under the meister rating.
Wasn't that something that you wanted to do?
Maybe i missed that, i do try to keep up, but im very busy lately with my own site, so i dont check everything ^.^
But, so far, so awesome, it's really a big improvement!
Thanks for the work.

It's in the making. One step at a time

I was thinking of doing something similar on one of my sites, but youv'e beaten me to it

I shall probably just say "CM rating = 9.5" instead now

The one thing that I would have been slightly hesitant about is giving the software firms different ratings. Personally I believe a lot of that is down to preference and you may find you start getting it in the neck from them if they feel they should get a higher mark.

Very good job though

Thanks for the high rating

As for the software ratings, sure I understand that different people like different games, but it's about the variety and operations as a whole. It's not about Thunderstruck

 

[prk]

but i think you should do clickable text RATING to allow sort rating of casinos from highest to lowest.

I couldn't agree more
Good work Bryan.

 

[chayton]

Good job meister! One thing I don't really get - I was wondering why the difference in scoring between 32Red, Dash and Golden Lounge. I see 32 Red has the mobile casino and Bingo and whatnot and a lesser reverse time, and that Golden Lounge has a bit longer reverse time than Dash, but if a casino offers manual flushing then you'd think that the reverse time really doesn't matter? As far as scoring I mean. I mean if casino A has a 24 hour reverse time and casino B has a 72 hour reverse time but casino B will manually flush my withdrawal and a casino A won't, then I'd give the higher marks to casino B. You know what I'm saying?

 

[webber286]

Nice work Bryan. Looking forward to the future enhancements discussed already. Wonder if you have considered other sources of credentials as part of your scoring (ie: eCOGRA). I have a website that uses a similar method that you have here and was wondering if it would be ok with you if I integrated your ratings into our methodology (with credit of course). I've wanted to figure out how to get your accredited list compared to our list for years, this seems like a good time to finally do that. At the very least I'll put together a blog post about it.

 

[parpol]

Good job Bryan!

And if there are other factors you'd like to see included, please let me know and perhaps we can start a "wish list".

Why not also include the benefits for VIP players?

VIP players:
withdrawals fastest y/n
no deposit bonus y/n example*(xx €)
deposit bonuses y/n *(xxx%)
new games free spin y/n *(x spin)
no fees for withdrawals y/n

The only casino in the table vip have all this information is Whitebet (Redbet) , other casino say nothing or almost all benefits for VIP!

other (for everyone, not for VIPs)
number of withdrawals per day, and one day with Unibet I could not take more because I had reached the number of withdrawals possible in one day! I do not remember if 4.5 or 6withdrawals!

As always: sorry for the english!

 

[hoff1985]

Why is the software relevant?

I mean when there's proof that the software is not rigged (what is given with the accredited ones) why cannot get a casino with software a not the same rating as a casino with software b if they have the same quality for the rest.

Every player has his/her favorite software, so why and how do you rate the different software?

Just wondering

Thanks

 

[dionysus]

Why is the software relevant?

I mean when there's proof that the software is not rigged (what is given with the accredited ones) why cannot get a casino with software a not the same rating as a casino with software b if they have the same quality for the rest.

Every player has his/her favorite software, so why and how do you rate the different software?

Just wondering

Thanks

Maybe for the variety of? For example, NetEnt may have microgaming, but a limited selection. Some microgaming casinos are slow to add new games. Some casinos offer a wider variety of platforms

 

[dinahbrand]

Nice, I really like this.

 

[manuels58]

Casinomeister Rating System

It's really amazing the hard work you've had here!
This kind of information is very important and helps us / players a lot, on how to know where we put our money and most of the risks we might take.
I also suggest "...you should do clickable text rating to allow sort rating of casinos from highest to lowest" (sic).
Well done Meister Bryan!
M. Simões

 

[LaHutti]

Great work Meister.

 

[butterflyboogie]

Thank you for your hard work and efforts. Being from the USA my choices are limited, however if I could play anywhere I would aim for those with a 8+ rating. This is great incentive for those casino groups with lower ratings to see their competition and strive for a better score. This is as much of a benefit for the casino as it is for the player. In saying that, how often will these ratings be re-evaluated? Very good work!

 

[JAMES50]

Fantastic job ,,Well put together... Though some of theses casinos won't like there rateing,,Should hopefully make them possible try harder..But I do wonder ..Because of the Usa regulations,,It is that much harder for these casino's to shuffle money,which adheres to the withdrawal time.As apposed one that deals solely in legal jurisdictions...should that be or is it taken into acct?

 

[chuchu59]

A highly objective rating system. If players can play at any of those with a 9+ rating but choose others with a much lower rating they should kick themselves if things go wrong.

 

[bsilva028]

excelente work

 

[harrys99]

Thanks for all your efforts on behalf of so many who will benefit from it Casinomeister

 

[pokeraddict]

How does KGC get a "high" rating? They are in the same area as Malta IMO. They failed players on Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet multiple times, sites their Grand Chief had a financial interest in. They also oversaw the site during the cheating scandal and seemingly hundreds of players never got paid back while KGC helped themselves to a $500,000 fine that could have gone to pay players. KGC must have known the Blanca shell game was smoke and mirrors too and that Scott Tom was still involved with the company. AP/UB could not account for $35-$40 million of their $55 million on deposit (they had $10 million seized and had about $6 million left).

24poker, who was an MG poker room, also went bust last year under KGC's watch and players got stiffed.

There have been plenty of others but those were two major ones in last 18 months. I would hardly think having a KGC license makes a gaming site safe. They never figured out that AP/UB had siphoned off or blown 2/3+ of their player's deposits and allowed someone that seems to be the biggest cheater in the history of online gambling to run one of their licensed sites while keeping that hidden from the public.

I am also curious about publicly traded companies getting an extra boost. We have seen several of those fail. Purple Lounge, Betcorp, Action Poker, and Betonsports all come to mind. I would think there are plenty of strong private companies that would get unfairly penalized too.

Even if we do not agree on those points this is good work.

 

[chuchu59]

How does KGC get a "high" rating[/B]? They are in the same area as Malta IMO. They failed players on Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet multiple times, sites their Grand Chief had a financial interest in. They also oversaw the site during the cheating scandal and seemingly hundreds of players never got paid back while KGC helped themselves to a $500,000 fine that could have gone to pay players. KGC must have known the Blanca shell game was smoke and mirrors too and that Scott Tom was still involved with the company. AP/UB could not account for $35-$40 million of their $55 million on deposit (they had $10 million seized and had about $6 million left).

24poker, who was an MG poker room, also went bust last year under KGC's watch and players got stiffed.

There have been plenty of others but those were two major ones in last 18 months. I would hardly think having a KGC license makes a gaming site safe. They never figured out that AP/UB had siphoned off or blown 2/3+ of their player's deposits and allowed someone that seems to be the biggest cheater in the history of online gambling to run one of their licensed sites while keeping that hidden from the public.

I am also curious about publicly traded companies getting an extra boost. We have seen several of those fail. Purple Lounge, Betcorp, Action Poker, and Betonsports all come to mind. I would think there are plenty of strong private companies that would get unfairly penalized too.

Even if we do not agree on those points this is good work.

The criteria for attaining the ratings are objective so if one takes the time you can calculate the ratings yourself. If they score highly on a number of items they get a high rating. Simple as that.

There could be room for fine-tuning though if some items are considered much more important than others and different weighting could be given to different items but that could be subjective as everyone thinks differently.

 

[btheis]

Very Nice!

Noted.

Great Idea Brian!!!!!!

 

[peekaboo54]

peekaboo54 ty this is very helpfull

 

[spintee]

Great stuff, Yes I bet it took some doing, It wold be great as some1 else stated if we could rank um our selfs,

 

[The Dude]

Good job meister! One thing I don't really get - I was wondering why the difference in scoring between 32Red, Dash and Golden Lounge. I see 32 Red has the mobile casino and Bingo and whatnot and a lesser reverse time, and that Golden Lounge has a bit longer reverse time than Dash, but if a casino offers manual flushing then you'd think that the reverse time really doesn't matter? As far as scoring I mean. I mean if casino A has a 24 hour reverse time and casino B has a 72 hour reverse time but casino B will manually flush my withdrawal and a casino A won't, then I'd give the higher marks to casino B. You know what I'm saying?

Thanks for the heads up on the scoring (one of the reasons these threads are important). I missed a couple of points for the non-32red casinos in 32Red plc group. They've been adjusted. One thing to keep in mind is that the established date and accred date helps 32Red - they've been online for a decade and will be accredited for 10 years next month.

0 hrs reverse time trumps manual flush, and the closest you can get to 0hrs reverse time the better. GL reverse time is 48 hrs. If they want to see this score improve - then bring it down to 12 or 4 or something like that.

This is one of the cool things about this rating system that if casinos want to improve their score, they have the means to do so.

...Why not also include the benefits for VIP players?...

That my friend, just may be too complicated. VIP status is different at most casinos and it changes a lot. It would be something to do further down the pipeline. And quit worrying about your English. It's fine. A high percentage of our members are non-native speakers. (and native non-speakers as well )

Why is the software relevant?

Because it is. There is a huge difference between the operations of a Rival casino and an IGT. There are more requirements and a higher level of due diligence for an IGT casino. As mentioned on the ratings page, other factors are considered - the spread of the games, variety, quantity - and of course quality.

Thank you for your hard work and efforts. Being from the USA my choices are limited, however if I could play anywhere I would aim for those with a 8+ rating. This is great incentive for those casino groups with lower ratings to see their competition and strive for a better score. This is as much of a benefit for the casino as it is for the player. In saying that, how often will these ratings be re-evaluated? Very good work!

The scores might fluctuate daily. For instance it was brought to my attention yesterday that 3Dice offers manual flushing, so this was included in the score. Of course when I'm away, (conferences, vacations, partying, gardening...) they will be non-fluctuating.

Fantastic job ,,Well put together... Though some of theses casinos won't like there rateing,,Should hopefully make them possible try harder..But I do wonder ..Because of the Usa regulations,,It is that much harder for these casino's to shuffle money,which adheres to the withdrawal time.As apposed one that deals solely in legal jurisdictions...should that be or is it taken into acct?

All but two of the US facing casinos have weekly cashout limits. This is where you are seeing big a difference. Weekly cashout limits can substantially lower a score.

A highly objective rating system. If players can play at any of those with a 9+ rating but choose others with a much lower rating they should kick themselves if things go wrong.

But they shouldn't go wrong; they're Accredited

How does KGC get a "high" rating? They are in the same area as Malta IMO. They failed players on Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet multiple times, sites their Grand Chief had a financial interest in. They also oversaw the site during the cheating scandal and seemingly hundreds of players never got paid back while KGC helped themselves to a $500,000 fine that could have gone to pay players. KGC must have known the Blanca shell game was smoke and mirrors too and that Scott Tom was still involved with the company. AP/UB could not account for $35-$40 million of their $55 million on deposit (they had $10 million seized and had about $6 million left).

You're referring to the period when even I considered Kahnawake "Kahnawahaha." It was a joke of a licensing jurisdiction. Since then, they have improved ten-fold as mentioned in last year's awards section. So yes, I rate them higher than Malta which has won more pathetic awards from this site year after year. But as time progresses, ratings can too.

I am also curious about publicly traded companies getting an extra boost. We have seen several of those fail. Purple Lounge, Betcorp, Action Poker, and Betonsports all come to mind. I would think there are plenty of strong private companies that would get unfairly penalized too...

I am fully aware that just because they are publicly listed, they are not immune to failure. When you fail - you fail; public company or not, everyone is screwed. So it's not about that. What it's about is that public companies are accountable for what they do and they have physical offices you can visit. It's not a huge boost by the way - it's 0.2 points.

 

[MegaDave]

Casino Ratings

Well Done Casinomeister for this useful and valuable information. Thank you.

 

[Christoff]

I think the ratings system is great - problem is you can't please absolutely everyone

I think it's very comprehensive and covers all the important bases

 

[chuchu59]

Thanks for the heads up on the scoring (one of the reasons these threads are important). I missed a couple of points for the non-32red casinos in 32Red plc group. They've been adjusted. One thing to keep in mind is that the established date and accred date helps 32Red - they've been online for a decade and will be accredited for 10 years next month.

0 hrs reverse time trumps manual flush, and the closest you can get to 0hrs reverse time the better. GL reverse time is 48 hrs. If they want to see this score improve - then bring it down to 12 or 4 or something like that.

This is one of the cool things about this rating system that if casinos want to improve their score, they have the means to do so.


That my friend, just may be too complicated. VIP status is different at most casinos and it changes a lot. It would be something to do further down the pipeline. And quit worrying about your English. It's fine. A high percentage of our members are non-native speakers. (and native non-speakers as well )


Because it is. There is a huge difference between the operations of a Rival casino and an IGT. There are more requirements and a higher level of due diligence for an IGT casino. As mentioned on the ratings page, other factors are considered - the spread of the games, variety, quantity - and of course quality.


The scores might fluctuate daily. For instance it was brought to my attention yesterday that 3Dice offers manual flushing, so this was included in the score. Of course when I'm away, (conferences, vacations, partying, gardening...) they will be non-fluctuating.


All but two of the US facing casinos have weekly cashout limits. This is where you are seeing big a difference. Weekly cashout limits can substantially lower a score.


But they shouldn't go wrong; they're Accredited


You're referring to the period when even I considered Kahnawake "Kahnawahaha." It was a joke of a licensing jurisdiction. Since then, they have improved ten-fold as mentioned in last year's awards section. So yes, I rate them higher than Malta which has won more pathetic awards from this site year after year. But as time progresses, ratings can too.


I am fully aware that just because they are publicly listed, they are not immune to failure. When you fail - you fail; public company or not, everyone is screwed. So it's not about that. What it's about is that public companies are accountable for what they do and they have physical offices you can visit. It's not a huge boost by the way - it's 0.2 points.

Not necessarily Bryan. I am a firm believer in Murphy's Law.

 

[RoisinCurtis]

Well done Casinomeister!

This looks great and congratulations for getting things up and running!

Thanks,

Roisin

Boylesports Affiliates

 

[all4greed]

What I haven't implemented yet is support ratings. That could be something to include in the future.

That's a major consideration for me. I ditched a well known RTG casino because of poor support.

 

[The Dude]

Nice work Bryan. Looking forward to the future enhancements discussed already. Wonder if you have considered other sources of credentials as part of your scoring (ie: eCOGRA). I have a website that uses a similar method that you have here and was wondering if it would be ok with you if I integrated your ratings into our methodology (with credit of course). I've wanted to figure out how to get your accredited list compared to our list for years, this seems like a good time to finally do that. At the very least I'll put together a blog post about it.

Sure, but the ratings fluctuate sometimes daily as some info is updated, and other things i.e. changes in the weighing of categories et al.

 

[chayton]

I have a request! On the previous accredited page you used to have the no American or no Canadian flag icons for each casino, I noticed those aren't there anymore. I know because I've been around here for awhile which casinos don't take Canucks, but there are new people joining and new casinos being accredited all the time. And there are some casinos who don't take players from Australia or China too.

So maybe if you can list countries they don't accept on each individual casino page, that would be be easier on newbies than going to the casino website, downloading and THEN finding out they don't accept players from your country.

 

[magrilli]

club world is not in??!

Hi, I personally had good experiences with the group club world ( fast payments, good support, continuos promotions etc....) but i do not see any clubworld casinos them in the list...
I think it depends from the weight of the software in the system???? or maybe other reason I do not know.
just think about it
ciaooo
magrilli

 

[The Dude]

Hi, I personally had good experiences with the group club world ( fast payments, good support, continuos promotions etc....) but i do not see any clubworld casinos them in the list...
I think it depends from the weight of the software in the system???? or maybe other reason I do not know.
just think about it
ciaooo
magrilli

Um. Where are you looking? They are all over the place:

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edited to add - sorry, I was confused with the new accred section. Doing too much multi-tasking at the moment.

Club World is there too.

 

[Nate]

Excellent Work Bryan and Team.

I do not know if this has been covered, However; I would like to see points given for Forum Interaction and Accolades received.

It is very important that we recognize that places like 32Red have received Accolades every year and their Management are the most active bunch on this Forum hands down.

There are other Brands, but having the likes of Everyone including your CEO actively participating has got to count for something.

Some Casinos have a high rating, but I have NEVER seen their rep post or say something in the forum... I mean if you have received awards for Ten Years in a row, then you are Way Up there...

Nate

 

[felicie]

I think it's great Bryan! I'm sitting here trying to think of one more thing I'd like to know before playing but I can't think of anything else, and as long as it is updated often and on a regular basis well I just wish we'd had it back in ...the old days Wait I just remembered one thing. efficacious? I'm pretty sure I don't do that anymore
Thanks to all that worked so hard.

 

[neecie13]

thank you

very useful and thank you very much. Must of taken some time to put that all together! KUDOS TO YOU

 

[teppy]

Bryan,

How would I go about getting Dragon's Tale to be accredited? We're currently a "definite yes" on all but 5 of the items listed, and three of those would be minor tweaks to game text or code (explicitly forbidding underage play, display information about responsible gambling, spending limits.) The other two are not doable short-term (licensed somewhere other than Costa Rica, audited RNG) because of the way our software works.

Teppy

 

[The Dude]

Here you go:

https://www.casinomeister.com/becoming-accredited/

 

[Booo73]

Excellent addition. Thanks for all the hard work. You guys ROCK!!!!

 

[zanzibar]

I suggest adding separation of player and operator funds as a significant scoring factor.

I know that means that 99% of casinos will suffer a penalty in their score but I would prefer to know that I can play at a casino where my money can't be pissed away on conference parties, hookers and blow, or just plain stolen by the owner.