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[And]

Just a heads up, don't play at Rushmore & co if you have EVER used P2P transfers with neteller or moneybookers.

After 5 months waiting for my payout today I received this:

Your accounts have been investigated and the outcome of these investigations is that your accounts have been deemed to be fraudulent and your winnings are therefore null and void.

We have worked closely with third parties to ascertain which players are genuine and which are fraudulent and yours has come back as being connected to other players and as having transferred funds between Moneybookers and Neteller accounts

I have sent and received funds through moneybookers with a lot of people in the lifetime of my moneybookers account. So apparently, if anyone of them is deemed to be a fraudster by anyone casino, MY winnings will also be confiscated. So I am liable for everyone's actions I have ever transacted.

I wonder what CM will say here, this is beyond belief.

[maxd]

I wonder what CM will say here ....

I quote to you from the report we received from Rushmore today:

... he has multiple accounts on the same IPaddress ....

'Nuf said, case closed.

[maxd]

Just posted a quickie: Rushmore updates 20090514.

Full details when I do tomorrow's weekly report.

[vinylweatherman]

Thanks for sticking up for me! The email did really say "unable" which is obviously not true. I agree with what you said, but there's not much I can do other than take my business elsewhere and recommend everyone else to do the same.

Reasoning for cancelling my previous Moneybookers withdrawals was: "We however need to send these via wire transfer to ensure that your name is on the bank account we are sending the funds". I don't really mind the wire much but I did take this as another showing of mistrust.

That's it then, they have taken three months, and just don't trust the outcome from their investigators. Surely your name is on your Moneybookers account also, couldn't they run a check there as they seem to have done quite thoroughly when "busting" the fraudulent player "and" who claimed it was doing P2P transfers that they objected to.

Do you perhaps log into Moneybookers through a different IP address than you use to register and play at the casino. This would certainly look odd to them, whatever their investigators reported back with.

In short, you got paid, but THEY DON'T TRUST YOU - so avoid Rushmore & sister casinos, else you may find they claim "new evidence has come to light" some time in the future, leading to this all over again.

This move of theirs is not going to stop fraud anyway, as if a fraudulent player was told they were getting a bank transfer, they would make sure they had an account ( or would set one up with their stolen ID), and get paid anyway. Stolen IDs are usually used to create bank accounts, and apply for credit cards, since this is probably even MORE lucrative than trying to defraud a casino online. Since it is so hard to get credit nowdays, even with your OWN ID, maybe this is why online casinos are being increasingly targeted by this kind of fraud, and surely it will only get worse, but innocent players can do little when they get caught up in it due to the regulatory nature of online casinos. If my ID is stolen and used to borrow money, I have RIGHTS under the law for redress, but if my ID is stolen, but it is ME that ends up being accused of being the "fake me", there is almost NOTHING I can do. I can not even investigate, since I am not even allowed to review the evidence, and pass it to the police and credit reference agencies, and begin the process of cleaning the mess up.

[WD2810]

Do you perhaps log into Moneybookers through a different IP address than you use to register and play at the casino. This would certainly look odd to them, whatever their investigators reported back with.

Usually I log on from home but I move around just as anyone else and sometimes use Moneybookers from other computers. I think this is how people commonly act. We also have internet banking here e.g. I can access my bank account from any computer with an internet connection, and my bank sees me using my account from different computers as just as common as me drawing cash from ATMs in different cities. At least as long as I'm not at more than one ATM at once.

I don't know how Rushmore can seriously doubt me anymore. They've got all the evidence in the world and nothing points at me being anyone else than who I say I am. IMO them not compensating me anyway is just poor business practise plain and simple. Also it's a kind of a theft. Based on penalty interest rate I calculated my net loss being around $100. (Bank of Finland: http://www.bof.fi/en/suomen_pankki/a...ote36_2008.htm)

[maxd]

Last week's report is up: BitchMeister Fridays: PAB Report for week of 20090515.

Rushmore wrap-up + The Numbers.

[maxd]

A new report for the week of the 22nd has been posted: BitchMeister Fridays: PAB Report for week of 20090522

NoIQ + Casino-for-me + The Numbers.

[Artico]

Rushmore paid, after 5 months of waiting! BTW I was never contacted by their private investigator.

You all know how I feel about Rushmore group so I dont have to repeat myself.

[Jasminebed]

Rushmore paid, after 5 months of waiting! BTW I was never contacted by their private investigator.

You all know how I feel about Rushmore group so I dont have to repeat myself.

Very glad to see you have your money at long last Artico.

[maxd]

Latest BitchMeister report is up: BitchMeister Fridays: PAB Report for week of 20090529.

Rushmore saga ends + Week of the Rogues + Sky Kings Casino earns a Warning + The Numbers: read all about it here.