PR: Poker Bots Consistently Win Online Poker Games by Cheating

[winbig]

He is either a bot or the best customer crypto has.
He is playing almost every time im on crypto, whether its evening or 6am! PS he folds to a re-raise unless he has the stone cold nuts

Every time? If so, that definately sounds like a bot. A human player would definately mix it up just to keep players on their toes. ie: re-re-raise, call (even with the nuts), etc. On the other hand, maybe their luck outweighs their skill? I don't know who you're talking about specifically, so I can only guess on that one.

[wolla]

He is either a bot or the best customer crypto has.
He is playing almost every time im on crypto, whether its evening or 6am! PS he folds to a re-raise unless he has the stone cold nuts

Only on the river or on the flop and turn as well?

[abaxas]

Since I'm currently writing a poker bot here are my thoughts........

1) Variable play is an option and easy to program
2) Bots can easily be programmed to go 'on tilt' when required
3) Changing to table metrics is also easy for low stake games by simple preflop adjustments
4) Playing against playing styles is important but not at lower stakes the maths and other players crapness sorts that out.
5) I doubt it'll ever make me money as it's just not good enough to be worth using
6) Dont worry about bots, peoples greed at using them will be their downfall

[winbig]

Since I'm currently writing a poker bot here are my thoughts........

1) Variable play is an option and easy to program
2) Bots can easily be programmed to go 'on tilt' when required
3) Changing to table metrics is also easy for low stake games by simple preflop adjustments
4) Playing against playing styles is important but not at lower stakes the maths and other players crapness sorts that out.
5) I doubt it'll ever make me money as it's just not good enough to be worth using
6) Dont worry about bots, peoples greed at using them will be their downfall

Shall we kill you now or later?

[winbig]

Found this at Empirepoker. So much for privacy. They could take screenshots of your desktop at any time while you're playing and justify it as "thinking" you were cheating.

Since the latter is in their privacy policy it's totally legal.

T&C:

6. Artificial Intelligence.
We are committed to detecting and preventing software programs which are designed to enable artificial intelligence (non-human) to play on our site. Such programs are often designed to send information about cards, dice or players to an external program. Information sent to an outside program is not permitted. The company will take measures to prevent and detect the use of such programs using methods including but not limited to screen scraping or reading the list of currently running programs on a player's computer.



Privacy policy:

7. Consent to Use of Anti-Cheating Software
Our software package used to access and use the Service contains certain features designed to detect use of automated programs that enable artificial (non-human) intelligence to play on our site. Use of such "bot" software programs violates our Terms and Conditions of Use, and is detrimental to other players. By installing our software and using the Service, you consent to our software performing the functions described in this section. Our software may perform any or all of the following functions in order to detect the use of illicit automated programs and ensure that we maintain a "cheat free" environment for all users: (1) scan your list of active software applications while you are using the Service, (2) scan your list of active processes while you are using the service, (3) scan the files in your EmpirePoker.com-related program folders to ensure that only "non-hacked" versions of our software are being used. If any of the foregoing processes reveals a suspect application or process, our software may (1) scan the files associated with the suspect application or process and compile a composite mesh (i.e. a profile that characterizes the files associated with the application or process) to be matched against profiles for known illicit automated programs, and (2) capture a screenshot of your desktop, and transmit these to EmpirePoker.com for review. Our software will not perform any random search of large portions of your hard drive or other files, and will not transmit any information to us or to any third party other than the information necessary to identify use of illicit automated program as described above. Our software will not alter any files or information on your computer, and will not interfere with the operation of any of your applications. You may terminate use of our software at any time by uninstalling the EmpirePoker.com software package.

[nafanny29]

Wow!! that is frightening winbig!!!

Even if its in the T&Cs I cant believe its legal. What about privacy invasion

I would feel very uneasy knowing that my entire pc could be scanned by someone. It would be like leaving it on and letting a stranger on it for an hour. Scary stuff

[baldidiot]

Yowser, I don't like that at all! Do any other sites have similar terms?

[PokingStars]

Something needs to be done about this IMO. I really don't know what but this collusion and botting problem is getting really really annoying.

[nisosbar]

While computer science is still being developed, better and better bots will appear, it has happened with chess , and is just a question of time when bots almost impossible to beat will appear, so poker online rooms in fact have to do something about it.

We've sort of been at that point for years now, and the poker rooms don't care - bots generate rake, and most of the fish are no more the wiser.

Personally, I stopped playing online poker years ago when it became clear to me that nearly every single table I was at was populated by bots.

[jetset]

It's an interesting topic - did you guys read the reports of the Laak and Esfandiari contest against Polaris, a bot developed by a Canadian university in Alberta?

There were a couple of contests if I recall correctly, with the bot AI getting progressively better.

I'm guessing that AI developments are watched closely by the anti-bot departments of major online poker sites.