Cheated ?

[hushda24]

Right this guy was preety tight all game, Now explain these calls to me please ? I am convinced he can see cards lol
Remember it pays 3 places and look esp hand 1.
** Hand # 2314625922 starting - 2008-12-14 21:59:36
** Full-Table Freezeout[2386324]:Table 1 [Sit & Go Hold 'em] (300.00|600.00 NL - MTT) Real Money

thumperabbit sitting in seat 1 with 6992.50
SaabCabrio sitting in seat 6 with 1785.00
ThePyrate sitting in seat 7 with 6217.50
mdl82 sitting in seat 9 with 5005.00[Dealer]
thumperabbit ante'd - 20.00
SaabCabrio ante'd - 20.00
ThePyrate ante'd - 20.00
mdl82 ante'd - 20.00
thumperabbit posted the small blind - 150.00
SaabCabrio posted the big blind - 300.00

** Dealing cards to thumperabbit: Ac, As
ThePyrate folded
mdl82 raised to 1200.00
thumperabbit raised to 3300.00
SaabCabrio went all-in - 1465.00
mdl82 folded
SaabCabrio shows: 5h, 10h

** Dealing the flop: 5s, 9s, 4s

** Dealing the turn: 5d

** Dealing the river: Kd
SaabCabrio wins 4810.00 from the main pot

[hushda24]

my exit to him
** Hand # 2314645022 starting - 2008-12-14 22:07:40
** Full-Table Freezeout[2386324]:Table 1 [Sit & Go Hold 'em] (600.00|1200.00 NL - MTT) Real Money

thumperabbit sitting in seat 1 with 4502.50[Dealer]
SaabCabrio sitting in seat 6 with 5815.00
ThePyrate sitting in seat 7 with 2872.50
mdl82 sitting in seat 9 with 6810.00
SaabCabrio ante'd - 45.00
ThePyrate ante'd - 45.00
mdl82 ante'd - 45.00
thumperabbit ante'd - 45.00
SaabCabrio posted the small blind - 300.00
ThePyrate posted the big blind - 600.00

** Dealing cards to thumperabbit: Ah, Kh
mdl82 folded
thumperabbit raised to 2400.00
SaabCabrio went all-in - 5470.00
ThePyrate folded
thumperabbit went all-in - 2057.50
SaabCabrio shows: 6s, As

** Dealing the flop: 7c, 10c, 5h

** Dealing the turn: 6d

** Dealing the river: 8d
SaabCabrio wins 9695.00 from the main pot

[NextToYou]

Villain plays well in both hands, what is the problem? And you played correct also of course.

[anniemac]

Hushda,

I see what you are seeing. Maybe the guy just has real big balls and was "running a rabbit" as we say in Texas and got REAL lucky.

[SteveCut]

The first one looks bad, but remember he was about to be blinded out (M<2) and saw a chance to triple-up.

[hushda24]

Villain plays well in both hands, what is the problem? And you played correct also of course.

Its totally discusting play, He had chance of geting into money AND knew there was a monster out,And hand two is double discusting, Next to you i can see why you play lottery poker ohama. If both hands are not foldable then i am the pope. And i have won a fortune past 6 days and cleaning out on xmas promo So i am afraid i have put these hand historys in wrong place.You are all losing players END OFF . Last time i put any hh here, Really next to you you do need serious help in nl . merry xmas all

[NextToYou]

Sorry to disappoint you hushda, but you are the one being incorrect here about the villain's plays here.

In the first hand:

This is a single table tournament, where top3 places are paid, right? Villain has only 1785 chips left and blinds are 150/300, so he has effectively only under 6 big blinds left in his stack and he has to had put even one big blind already in from his stack due to him being on the big blind. Next lowest stack is over 5000 chips. Remember that this is a sit'n'go, which pays top3 and nothing for 4th, which affects strategy also in this specific scenario.

There is a raise and a re-raise in front of him. Now in this case if he calls it is very likely that first raiser will fold, since he doesn't want to gamble in a spot when he is likely to climb up to paying positions while you confront the shortstack villain. So there is effectively 1200 + (your) 3300 (1785 chips for him effectively, because he doesn't have more) + (his blind) 300 chips in the pot and he has 1485 chips left. Now it is likely that the first raiser will fold if he (villain) calls. So effectively villain get following pot odds to a call: 1200+1785+1785 chips to win with a call of 1485 chips.

This leads to a calculation of: 1485/(1200+1785+1785) = ~0.31% so he needs only 31% equity against your range to call being profitable in a just a cash game environment. And this even with not taking other important factors into account like shortness of his stack and price distribution of this sit'n'go, which actually are very important things and push the equity needed down a lot for him - I am not an expert by any means of ICM or other sit'n'go strategy/money-models, but I'd give educated guess that those factors lower his need for equity down to ~25% at least, likely to lower percentage.

Now we can use a program to calculate his equity against your likely 3-betting range in this 4-handed phase of the tournament. I put your 3-betting range to very tight range for 4-handed play, only pairs of TT+ and AJo+ other hands. In reality your 3-betting range at this phase should be wider, but I use this very conservative range for you just to show that even against this tight range his call is correct there. So I use program called pokerstove - put there your range of hands you might 3-bet. Remember that he is not able to see your hole cards (that you hold AA), but can just put you on a likely range of hands you likely 3-bet with at this phase of the tournament with and then his Th 5h hand he has. Putting these hand and your reange in to the calculation we get following result:

20,894,218 games 25.020 secs 835,100 games/sec

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 71.270% 70.99% 00.28% 14833049 59005.00 { TT+, AJs+, AJo+ }
Hand 1: 28.730% 28.45% 00.28% 5944113 59005.00 { Th5h }


I have bolded the equitys, so in this case villain gets equity of 28.5% against your range, which is higher than ~25% what he would need in equity to make a call correct play (because of the straight pot odds calculated in the beginning and other sit'n'go specific factors mentioned above at this specific scenario).

So in conclusion: Villains play is totally correct.

I am willing to bet significant amounts of money that the majority of the world's top sit'n'go players agree with me about correctedness of villain's play in this hand (I am not among them because I don't like playing tournaments, but I know enough about general poker theory and tournament theory to say everything I have written above).



We could do same kind of analysis for another hand you posted too, but I hope this explanation above is enough for you to understand why villains plays were actually correct and not incorrect or bad. But I already spent 45mins writing this so I hope I don't have to write another one and from now on you believe me more when we are talking about low/micro-stakes poker strategy/theory . Merry Xmas for you too and good to hear your luck has been better lately

[pokeraddict]

** Dealing cards to thumperabbit: Ac, As
ThePyrate folded
mdl82 raised to 1200.00
thumperabbit raised to 3300.00
SaabCabrio went all-in - 1465.00
mdl82 folded
SaabCabrio shows: 5h, 10h

** Dealing cards to thumperabbit: Ah, Kh
mdl82 folded
thumperabbit raised to 2400.00
SaabCabrio went all-in - 5470.00
ThePyrate folded
thumperabbit went all-in - 2057.50
SaabCabrio shows: 6s, As

So you think he can see your cards and calls you when you hold AA and calls your AK with A6? Also in hand one, the only hand that even looks bad, he is about to bubble and if he doesn't marry this hand into a 3way pot he will be forced to make a tough decision with a blind hand. The other hand is a normal hand.

[jas2587]

Its totally discusting play, He had chance of geting into money AND knew there was a monster out,And hand two is double discusting, Next to you i can see why you play lottery poker ohama. If both hands are not foldable then i am the pope. And i have won a fortune past 6 days and cleaning out on xmas promo So i am afraid i have put these hand historys in wrong place.You are all losing players END OFF . Last time i put any hh here, Really next to you you do need serious help in nl . merry xmas all

sry to say your comments was uncalled for you could have just said I disagree


Cindy

[catrina m]

Poker can be a rough game.

What is correct or incorrect, having the chips at the end of the hand is what matters.