Absolute Poker is absolutely rigged. (New evidence, near certain proof its rigged).

[BBKPoker]

There was speculation and a previous thread, and then this monster happened today over on 2+2 (very large poker discussion forum):

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Cliff notes and timeline (all credit goes to initial 2+2 poster:

1.) Second place player (Marco) in a tournament suspects some strange and possibly colluding/cheating plays from the account that wins(Potripper), so he emails Absolute Poker and asks for the hand history of the entire tournament, gets sent an xls file that looks like utter gibberish.

2.) A couple of days later the first Absolute Poker thread that happened here and everywhere else accusing them of being rigged happens.

3.) Two weeks pass.

4.) Player shares his xls file thinking it can help shed some light even though he doesn't understand what he i slooking at.

5.) Prominent 2+2 poster who Marco shares the xls file with realizes that the file that was inadvertently sent is a complete hand history of the tournament showing every table and every hole card of every player for every hand.

Evidence? Sure.

Hand Histories are here:

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Video is here: (it's free, but you have to register. Well worth doing so to see the ridiculous plays Potripper makes)

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6.) Other 2+2 mods/long-time posters discover that the xls file also contains IP addresses and user details including email addresses of people observing the table.

7.) They discover one user, user #363 observes PotRipper's tables the entire tournament only missing two hands at the beginning where user #363 is NOT seated at the table by folding them. Potripper plays literally 100% of the pots preflop for 20 minutes not folding a single other hand until he open-folds when a player has KK behind him (clearly he understands that player will raise and he won't see the pot with his junk this time for the raised amount).

8.) The IP address for user #363 is tracked (obviously) as this player was apparently following around Potripper the suspected cheater the entire time.

9.) The track shows that user #363 uses email on an Absolute Poker server hosted by Kahnawake Gaming Commission.

Proof of that is here:

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10.) Further evidence shows that the IP matches an Absolute Poker spammer.

11.) A later poster in the 2+2 threads posts this (slightly edited for clarity):

"If you guys remember, there were two people watching Potripper's table. One is #363; the other is assumed to be Potripper. That second account's email address is [email protected].

I have talked to a lot of people around the poker world about the IP address used by #363 and the rivieraltd.com email. The IP address cross-references to someone named Scott Tom, who also appears to be an owner at AP. It should also be noted that the first part of the rivieraltd.com email is "scott@". Whoever that second person is, though, their email address is [email protected], and their IP (which is, as I said, the same as User #363) is identical to a certain Scott Tom's home cable modem. Pokermachine, our relentless AP spammer in the zoo, was a Tom posting from an IP in CR related to AP. The Watchdog posted from the same ip. Login Name for that user is scotttom.

END OF FACTS START OF OPINION:

Super-short version:

Absolute Poker in my mind is 100% absolute and conclusively proven to be rigged (I only thought 85% or so the first time this went public), and it looks like that money is coming direct from an owner or upper management there.

Casinomeister, it would be great to see if we can check that IP to see what accounts if any have logged onto Casinomeister with it:

IP is 66.212.244.147.

Get your money off of Absolute immediately.

 

[GaryWatson]

There was speculation and a previous thread, and then this monster happened today over on 2+2 (very large poker discussion forum):

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Cliff notes and timeline (all credit goes to initial 2+2 poster:

1.) Second place player (Marco) in a tournament suspects some strange and possibly colluding/cheating plays from the account that wins(Potripper), so he emails Absolute Poker and asks for the hand history of the entire tournament, gets sent an xls file that looks like utter gibberish.

2.) A couple of days later the first Absolute Poker thread that happened here and everywhere else accusing them of being rigged happens.

3.) Two weeks pass.

4.) Player shares his xls file thinking it can help shed some light even though he doesn't understand what he i slooking at.

5.) Prominent 2+2 poster who Marco shares the xls file with realizes that the file that was inadvertently sent is a complete hand history of the tournament showing every table and every hole card of every player for every hand.

Evidence? Sure.

Hand Histories are here:

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Video is here: (it's free, but you have to register. Well worth doing so to see the ridiculous plays Potripper makes)

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6.) Other 2+2 mods/long-time posters discover that the xls file also contains IP addresses and user details including email addresses of people observing the table.

7.) They discover one user, user #363 observes PotRipper's tables the entire tournament only missing two hands at the beginning where user #363 is NOT seated at the table by folding them. Potripper plays literally 100% of the pots preflop for 20 minutes not folding a single other hand until he open-folds when a player has KK behind him (clearly he understands that player will raise and he won't see the pot with his junk this time for the raised amount).

8.) The IP address for user #363 is tracked (obviously) as this player was apparently following around Potripper the suspected cheater the entire time.

9.) The track shows that user #363 uses email on an Absolute Poker server hosted by Kahnawake Gaming Commission.

Proof of that is here:

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10.) Further evidence shows that the IP matches an Absolute Poker spammer.

11.) A later poster in the 2+2 threads posts this (slightly edited for clarity):

"If you guys remember, there were two people watching Potripper's table. One is #363; the other is assumed to be Potripper. That second account's email address is [email protected].

I have talked to a lot of people around the poker world about the IP address used by #363 and the rivieraltd.com email. The IP address cross-references to someone named Scott Tom, who also appears to be an owner at AP. It should also be noted that the first part of the rivieraltd.com email is "scott@". Whoever that second person is, though, their email address is [email protected], and their IP (which is, as I said, the same as User #363) is identical to a certain Scott Tom's home cable modem. Pokermachine, our relentless AP spammer in the zoo, was a Tom posting from an IP in CR related to AP. The Watchdog posted from the same ip. Login Name for that user is scotttom.

END OF FACTS START OF OPINION:

Super-short version:

Absolute Poker in my mind is 100% absolute and conclusively proven to be rigged (I only thought 85% or so the first time this went public), and it looks like that money is coming direct from an owner or upper management there.

Casinomeister, it would be great to see if we can check that IP to see what accounts if any have logged onto Casinomeister with it:

IP is 66.212.244.147.

Get your money off of Absolute immediately.

Typical Hearts fan. You are way behind the times

 

[BBKPoker]

Considering the new info was posted in the last day or two and doesn't appear on Casinomeister, I don't think I'm that far behind

 

[GaryWatson]

Considering the new info was posted in the last day or two and doesn't appear on Casinomeister, I don't think I'm that far behind

Not denying the Hearts allegation Well we are all on the same team tomorrow, erm today. Best team weave had since I can remember. Players nothing outstanding but team effort A+

 

[jetset]

BBK, I want to thank you for an exceptionally interesting and informative email which helps to clarify what has been going on as this astonishing story has unfolded here over the past week or more.

This is very useful in bringing peripheral observers up to speed on what is clearly a major and developing scandal.

This sort of sleuthing and interpretive capability shows how well-armed an informed and skilled player community can be.....and that benefits us all.

 

[The Dude]

BBK, I want to thank you for an exceptionally interesting and informative email which helps to clarify what has been going on as this astonishing story has unfolded here over the past week or more.

This is very useful in bringing peripheral observers up to speed on what is clearly a major and developing scandal.

This sort of sleuthing and interpretive capability shows how well-armed an informed and skilled player community can be.....and that benefits us all.

Ditto on that.

IP 66.212.244.147 is not associated with any member of this forum. Absolute Poker never spammed here

 

[trinox]

Cliff notes and timeline (all credit goes to initial 2+2 poster:

1.) Second place player (Marco) in a tournament suspects some strange and possibly colluding/cheating plays from the account that wins(Potripper)

This infamous tournament win by POTRIPPER is now available on YouTube:

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The video is split into four parts, with the next part posted as a response to the preceding one.

 

[jetset]

New statement from Absolute Poker

I think Absolute are starting to awaken to how serious this crisis really is - the following is a new general press statement issued by the company:

QUOTE:

Absolute Poker Management wishes to inform the poker community of the following information in response to the most recent claims posted over the past 48 hours on the 2+2 and Pocket Fives forums wherein again it is alleged that some person or persons breached Absolute Pokers redundant and varying levels of game client security. As was stated in Absolute Pokers Official Response released on Friday October 12, 2007, Absolute Poker conducted an extensive investigation in response to the claims it was made aware of and received. The results of that investigation indicated that to the best of Absolute Pokers knowledge, information and belief there was no security breach. Specifically, Absolute Pokers internal investigation determined that it is impossible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards.

Based on the most recent claims that Absolute Poker has been made aware of and at the request of some of our players and business partners, Absolute Poker has agreed to retain a widely acclaimed independent third party auditor, Gaming Associates, to conduct an independent audit of Absolute Pokers security systems. Specifically, Absolute Poker has requested that Gaming Associates conduct a thorough and extensive review of Absolute Pokers practices and security systems to determine whether it is possible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards thereby gaining an unfair advantage. (

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Absolute Poker has agreed to fully cooperate with Gaming Associates and its investigative team and to provide the above with unfettered access to all systems, protocols and databases at Absolute Poker worldwide. Absolute Poker has also agreed to allow Gaming Associates final report to be made available to Pocket Fives and Bluff Media for their review.

With respect to the claims that Scott Tom, a former Member of Team Absolute Poker, is in anyway involved in wrong-doing, Absolute Poker has requested a formal investigation into that matter as well. Mr. Tom has not been involved with Absolute Poker for over a year and to the best of our knowledge, information and belief has not had access to any of Absolute Pokers systems, databases or information.

Absolute Poker reserves the right to pursue any and all remedies whether in law or equitable which may procure to it as a result of any unlawful and injurious actions taken by any individuals who may have falsified any information, documents, files, or have by other means attempted to disparage and/or harm Absolute Poker, its Players, its current or former management, employees, business partners or affiliates.

Absolute Poker shall bear all expenses related to such investigation and is eager to learn about Gaming Associates findings. Absolute Poker highly values and intends to protect its players, shareholders, business partners, and affiliates.

Absolute Poker Management UNQUOTE

 

[The Dude]

That's good news. It looks like they've finally woken up to smell the coffee. Bringing in a qualified third party is what they needed to do a few weeks ago.

It's beyond me why they weren't all over this when the news of this first broke out. From the beginning, it's been handled very sloppily. It's like they don't know the meaning of good public relations.

 

[BBKPoker]

I was going to do an analysis of the hands played, but someone either here or on 2+2 posted this link to his hand histories with commentary, and it is pretty astounding the plays he made only make sense if he is aware of other player's cards.

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The commentary is a little lacking in detail due to the high volume of hand histories, but is pretty accurate if simple.

 

[Mousey]

That's good news. It looks like they've finally woken up to smell the coffee. Bringing in a qualified third party is what they needed to do a few weeks ago.

It's beyond me why they weren't all over this when the news of this first broke out. From the beginning, it's been handled very sloppily. It's like they don't know the meaning of good public relations.

AP probably thought this situation would just 'go away'. I mean, we've all heard : "it's rigged" regarding one casino or poker room or another so much over the years we hardly pay attention anymore. However, the players deserve the credit for staying on this, digging deep, and being bull headed enough to make AP see the light.

Someone asked me other day if I thought AP was rigged. To be honest, I don't understand the hand histories well enough to be certain in my own mind either way. However, with as much as I've read, and seen about this... I do think something is hinky and it's well past time that AP took it under serious consideration. AP should have brought in a 3rd party weeks ago. It was obvious (to most of us) early on that this situation was not just a case of a couple of losers crying 'rigged!' because they got beat.

 

[lojo]

What happens if the GA audit shows that it is not possible to breach security, but the hand histories show that it is statistically 'impossible' for the plays to have occured any other way?

Specifically, Absolute Poker has requested that Gaming Associates conduct a thorough and extensive review of Absolute Pokers practices and security systems to determine whether it is possible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards thereby gaining an unfair advantage.

Time will tell, I guess.

 

[GrandMaster]

Then you have to decide, whether it is more impossible that someone breached security or was given privileged access, or that someone just happened to play so extraordinarily well.

 

[lots0]

What happens if the GA audit shows that it is not possible to breach security, but the hand histories show that it is statistically 'impossible' for the plays to have occured any other way?

Everyone has just been assuming that the hand histories that have been posted in public are correct. After looking at the email in question, I am just not convinced it is an actual hand history record from AP.

 

[pokeraddict]

Then you have to decide, whether it is more impossible that someone breached security or was given privileged access, or that someone just happened to play so extraordinarily well.

The 15 standard deviations from the norm answers that for us I think.

 

[pokeraddict]

Everyone has just been assuming that the hand histories that have been posted in public are correct. After looking at the email in question, I am just not convinced it is an actual hand history record from AP.

What's different? Have you found hands with the same hand #'s that are different? Are hold cards different? Boards?

 

[lojo]

The 15 standard deviations from the norm answers that for us I think.

For the layman (statistical idiot like me) how many zeros, or what does that number look like again? thx

 

[BBKPoker]

For the layman (statistical idiot like me) how many zeros, or what does that number look like again? thx

# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- one standard deviation, then 68% of the cases will be included.
# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- two standard deviations, then 95% of the cases will be included.
# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- three standard deviations, then 99.7% of the cases will be included.
# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- four standard deviations, then 99.99% of the cases will be included.
# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- six standard deviations, then 99.9996% of the cases will be included.

Can you imagine what happens when we get out to 15? It is so improbable that it is functionally impossible.

 

[pokeraddict]

I didn't do the math, I was just posting what the math experts at 2+2 had come up with.

 

[jetset]

This story is now starting to break in the mainstream press (we issued an update on it yesterday incorporating Absolute's latest statement), and it should be noted for the record that GA is part of the Kahnawake set-up as an exclusive testing agency.

QUOTE from IGN:

Following the emergence of allegations concerning the propriety of Absolute Poker's operations, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) said it intends to investigate its privately-held licensee.

In a written statement issued this afternoon, the KGC indicated that it will employ an independent third party, Gaming Associates, to conduct the audit.

"This week's allegations of impropriety have been brought to the attention of the [KGC]," said KGC Commissioner David Montour. "We have appointed experts to conduct a thorough audit of all circumstances, provide findings and recommendations to the commission.

"The audit will not be restricted to examining theories circulating in Internet chat rooms and fora," Montour added.

Factually, little is known about why the investigation is being undertaken though rumors of fraud and collusion have been linked to the operator. But in a brief conversation with IGN, Montour stressed that, presently, the allegations remain precisely these--allegations.

 

[kyleb]

Sigh. There's just no way these people are going to admit to any wrongdoing. The "third-party" analysts are probably in the pockets of Absolute Poker and the KGC, much like Montana Overseas is with RTG.

Traffic analysis of AP shows that people are continuing to play there at more or less the same rate.

What a sad world we live in.

 

[tennis_balls]

and we all know what a thorough and serious investigation the professionals at Kahnawake will undertake!

 

[jetset]

Gambling Associates is going to need all of it's skills, which it boasts include:

QUOTE: Gambling Associate audits and certifications are conducted by a team comprising: CISSP, CISA, CISM and ISO/IEC 27001 Lead Auditor trained personnel and where necessary a PhD in Mathematics.

Gambling Associates is an ISO 9001 certified company, that is recognized by authorities in Alderney, Alexander First Nation; Antigua & Barbuda; Gibraltar; Mohawk Territory of Kahnaw:ke; Malta; Norfolk Island; Northern Territory of Australia; The Philippines; the United Kingdom; and Vanuatu - worldwide certification. UNQUOTE

Some good and some bad in that list of jurisdictions which it claims recognise its professional capability.....

This has broken in the New York Times as well:

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[pokeraddict]

Jetset, can you confirm that GA is not just a KGC entity and are a true thrid party? My research seems to come up with different answers to that.

 

[jetset]

I believe there is a commercial relationship with the Mohawks in that GA is an exclusive testing agency for them, but other than that it is a seperate UK based entity.

Personally speaking, I think I would have looked for a totally independent audit from one of the major international companies for more credibility, because any prior association with the Mohawks is bound to attract criticism.

I seem to recall that GA uses the output based testing method, but they would also have to evaluate as a priority the validity of the xls file involved in this issue in my opinion.

For me, the logical starting point is this very detailed xls file which the players received (perhaps by accident or maybe through a whistle blower as the NY Times theorises) from Absolute.

This is the document which would appear to contain all of the damning evidence, and the players have been careful to preserve everything - including email headers - to ensure its authenticity is not brought into question.

Such a detailed document would be difficult to manufacture to say the least, and trying to discredit it could be fraught with all sorts of ancillary perils, quite apart from trying to explain up to 15 standard deviations and the mysterious access which an allegedly former executive with Absolute still appears to have to its communications facilities.

A truly independent audit would have the unenviable task of comparing this and the real questions it raises to the Absolute records and judging where the two differ - if at all.

If there is no argument over the xls file, then it becomes a matter of interpretation, surely - and GA would be well advised to take cognizance of the fact that there are some highly qualified and very smart people on the player community side of this issue who will be analysing and evaluating every move they make - and demanding detailed substantiation.

 

[pokeraddict]

One of the ways I see AP coming out of this is to include a well known player in the community to be involved in not only the audit process but allowed access in the future. This would include people that helped blow the whistle on this and did all the research that show they know what they are doing when it comes to investigating stuff like this. I don't know how they could pull it off without an "AP bought off x poster" but there must be some way to involve the community in this and allow a community rep or reps to ask questions directly to AP along side the auditor. Nat comes to mind since he seems to have really cracked this one and has earned tremendous respect but there are certainly several others. It might be the only way the community will ever rest from this disaster for online poker.

 

[jetset]

Regrettably, this is something that industry companies seem to shy away from every time it is suggested, despite the credibility it could bring to the player-industry relationship.

 

[bernynhel]

I don't know dick about algorithms, tricky software that somehow can get over at poker sites or anything else anyone would consider to be useful, actually, but I've played hours of BJ in fun mode while playing low stakes hold 'em at AP and if that isn't the crookedest BJ table online I'll eat a bug!

 

[SlotsWizard]

if that isn't the crookedest BJ table online I'll eat a bug!

Two questions:
1) Have you ever played blackjack at English Harbour?
2) How would you like your bug, medium-well?

Just kidding. I've never played at AP so I can't say which game is "crookeder".

 

[jetset]

KAHNAWAKE ENTERS ABSOLUTE ONLINE POKER DEBACLE (Update)

Licensing jurisdiction pledges an independent audit

The allegations of impropriety during an online poker tournament at Absolute Poker.com gathered further momentum as the week progressed, with the issue reaching the pages of the New York Times, and a statement from the website's licensing jurisdiction pledging an independent investigation of the affair.

Kahnawake Gaming Commissioner David Montour announced that following the emergence of allegations concerning the propriety of Absolute Poker's operations, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) intends to investigate the privately-held licensee.

In a written statement Montour indicated that the KGC will employ an independent third party, UK-based Gaming Associates, to conduct the audit. It is understood that Gaming Associates is an exclusive testing agency used by the KGC.

"This week's allegations of impropriety have been brought to the attention of the [KGC]," said Montour. "We have appointed experts to conduct a thorough audit of all circumstances, provide findings and recommendations to the commission.

"The audit will not be restricted to examining theories circulating in Internet chat rooms and fora," Montour added.

Among other allegations, GA will undoubtedly have to verifiy documents, and possibly explain how a tournament winner known as Potripper apparently obtained such extraordinarily good results - up to an incredible 15 standard deviations - in the tournament.

Meanwhile, the New York Times has again reported on the incident, this time in a fashion that suggests there is sufficient controversy to warrant an audit.

Author Stephen D. Levitt headlined his op-ed piece "The Absolute Poker Cheating Scandal Blown Wide Open" and noted that a combination of some incredible detective work by online poker players and an accidental (?) data leak by Absolute Poker have blown the scandal wide open.

Levitt goes on to explain that some opponents became suspicious of how a certain player [Potripper] was playing in an Absolute Poker tourney, seemingly aware of what his opponent's hole cards were.

The suspicious players provided examples of these hands, which were so outrageous that virtually all serious poker players were convinced that cheating had occurred. One of the players whod been cheated requested that Absolute Poker provide hand histories from the tournament, and instead of the usual specific hand history received (perhaps in error) a file that contained comprehensive private information that the poker site would never normally release.

The file contained every players hole cards, observations of the tables, and even the IP addresses of every person playing. Levitt comments that such a complete disclosure seems like too great a coincidence, and suggests that there may have been a whistle-blowing element involved instead of a mistaken document being despatched.

Poker players went to work analysing the data in the surprisingly comprehensive file not only the hand histories themselves, but other, more subtle information contained in the file.

"What these players-turned-detectives noticed was that, starting with the third hand of the tournament, there was an observer who watched every subsequent hand played by the cheater," writes Levitt.

"Interestingly, the cheater folded the first two hands before this observer showed up, then did not fold a single hand before the flop for the next 20 minutes, and then folded his hand pre-flop when another player had a pair of kings as hole cards! This sort of cheating went on throughout the tournament."

So the poker detectives turned their attention to this observer, Levitt recounts. They tracked his or her IP address and account name to the same set of servers that host Absolute Poker, and also, apparently, to a particular individual named Scott Tom, who seems to be a part-owner of Absolute Poker!

Assuming that the file sent to the player is correct, Levitt opines ".....an insider at the Absolute website had real-time access to all of the hole cards (it is not hard to believe that this capability would exist) and was relaying this information to an outside accomplice."

Levitt assumes that such conduct could result in prison time for those involved, and predicts that there could be commercial consequences for Absolute if it continues to blow off the allegations (something now corrected with the announcement of an independent audit).

Levitt correctly asserts that online poker is a game of trust players send their money to a site believing that they will be playing a fair game, and trusting that the site will send them their winnings.

"If there is even a little bit of uncertainty about either one of those factors, there is no good reason for a player to choose that site over the many close substitutes that exist. If I ran Absolute Poker, I would take a lesson from past corporate attempts at cover ups, sacrifice the cheaters, and institute safeguards to prevent this ever happening again.

"The real lesson of this all, however, is probably the following: guys who arent that smart will figure out ways to cheat. And, with a little luck and the right data, folks who are a lot smarter will catch them doing it," Levitt concludes.

 

[Influcted]

Thank god I never made an account there.

 

[peteyweestro]

can someone please explain why in the hell their player trafic is about the same now as before this debacle, that is gonna truly be the answer why on line casinos and gambling sites will allways continue to feel like they can get away with anything cuz the public will still gamble on sites whether they are rouged or found to be srtaight up cheating...incredible

 

[pokeraddict]

can someone please explain why in the hell their player trafic is about the same now as before this debacle, that is gonna truly be the answer why on line casinos and gambling sites will allways continue to feel like they can get away with anything cuz the public will still gamble on sites whether they are rouged or found to be srtaight up cheating...incredible

It's baffling isn't it? My guess is that most of the players have no idea and there are a few pros picking on the fish pond knowing what has happened. One of the players that got cheated has bragged at 2+2 about how the games have never been better.

 

[pokeraddict]

Wizard of Odds has posted this on his site:

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The most eye opening...

Of these 93 hands, POTRIPPER won 56 times, in an average 8.13 players per hand. Assuming all players are equally skilled you would expect 11.49 wins. POTRIPPER was 14.03 standard deviations above expectations. The probability of luck this good or better is 1 in 1.88 1044. It would be easier to buy a 6/49 lottery ticket in six different states, and hit the jackpot all six times. Still, could it still just be chip dumping, or playing very bad players? The playback, in my opinion, shows otherwise.

Josem at 2+2 says this is 1 in 188,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

 

[pokeraddict]

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To any of those that still had any doubts click the above link. AP has confessed. I guess I don't have to worry about getting sued now.

PocketFives just received a phone call from Absolute Poker confirming the suspicions of the online poker community over the past month. While we need to be vague in this post to respect their wishes, we can say that their systems were compromised, and that they are prepared to provide the details in a statement coming shortly.

Part of the statement will include a plan to refund players affected by this compromise.

We are extremely relieved to hear this outcome, as our most important goal in all this is to see justice given to those who were cheated in this process. Pocketfives is extremely proud to have played a part in the process of uncovering the impropriety that has occurred. We would of course like to thank all the other parties who played a key role in this processspecifically the folks that have been posting here and at twoplustwo.com.

This is great news for everyone. Keep your eyes out for the statement.

Extremely Relieved,

--Adam

 

[bernynhel]

Two questions:
1) Have you ever played blackjack at English Harbour?
2) How would you like your bug, medium-well?

Just kidding. I've never played at AP so I can't say which game is "crookeder".

lol... Funny you should mention EH...why just the other day I posted this:

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/more-stupid-sh-t.20652/

..and you got me...I never played BJ at EH. Never played it online for real money. I only play B&M BJ.

 

[jetset]

Anyone speak Dutch here?

I'd like to get a basic translation on this story....

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[SlotsWizard]

I don't speak Dutch, and I don't know if this will help (probably not but I thought I'd try) - I pasted the text of it into a Dutch translator and if nothing else, it makes for some interesting reading due to the language barrier. Not all words were translated but you can mostly pick up the gist of things, even with the odd untranslated 15-letter word thrown in for flare. It's almost... poetic.

Poker holes false game in poker lucrative occupation
Old-senior official gotten after online poker fraud
Through: Marten Blankesteijn
Published: yesterday 00:03
Update: yesterday 00:10

Fraud in poker country: the former manager of one of the largest online poker game saw to for it that he the cards of its adversaries wanted to see.

Does Bluft my adversary, or he have really good cards? Its my cards better? Do moneys put in or not?

It being the hamvragen by poker that Scott Toms self needed never to put. The former manager of absolute poker. com – one of the largest pokeraanbieders on internet – programmed its software so that he inspection had in the cards of its adversaries. And that plays a to pieces easier.

The affair came rolling then CrazyMarco, an online poker player, in an Absolute Poker-tournament with thousand dollars price money were eliminated through a 'crazy call' of a player that itself Potripper named. The last one had miserable cards, and thus was there a very large chance that CrazyMarco a better hand had. When its adversary also yet once many money put not in could Potripper differently than its cards throw away, appeared it. But that did not he. He paid and saw that its most card (10) 'by chance' better was then that of Marco (9).

That woke suspicion. CrazyMarco early by the organization a print-out of the speelgedrag of Potripper on. With a club friendly poker players he analyzed IP-addresses, e-mailadressen and speelgewoontes. After single weeks, Potripper appeared nobody differently than Scott Tom, the former CEO of Absolute Poker. Through a simple trick, he wanted to see the cards of all players and join in at the same time self.

How vague Tom has taken advantage of its zelfbedachte method and how much he at that has earned is not yet clear. Someone else question is or contain the poker software of comparable websites the same possibilities. In a market in which annually at a rough estimate 1.5 billion dollar goes around will that particularly gainfully be. Yet a pluspunt: the chance that zoiets ever comes out is small. Restrain walked against the lamp through a decision to take that t clear ups and downs on foreknowledge. Who the bit more cleverly plays and loses so finished and closed also what pots, becomes realm. Quite rich.

 

[jetset]

Thanks - I guess that gives the sense of this.

Now - on to more developments in this Absolute Poker case.

It appears that the folks at Poker News at least feel there is a good chance that the xls file at the heart of the discoveries is genuine. In an excellent and detailed study of the entire affair at

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they make the following comment:

[Author's note: PokerNews has obtained a copy of the spreadsheet and has examined its contents, which appear on its surface to be genuine. To date, Absolute Poker has not commented on the accuracy or origination of the spreadsheet's contents, and because of the immense size of the file, over 65,000 lines, there has been no official determination as of yet as to whether every data cell in the file is genuine. It is not known if Absolute's upcoming statement will specifically address the spreadsheet or its contents.]

It sounds as if we can expect another statement from Absolute soon.

 

[jod5413]

SW,

I know that this all is a very serious issue, but, I am sorry, I'm dying here We can live in space and all that stuff and this is the best we can invent in tranlators? I gotta go get a beer

Thanks for brightening my night!!

jod

 

[SlotsWizard]

SW,

I know that this all is a very serious issue, but, I am sorry, I'm dying here We can live in space and all that stuff and this is the best we can invent in tranlators? I gotta go get a beer

Thanks for brightening my night!!

jod

I'm right there with you - I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard.

Anyway, I think the following sentence really sums up this entire AP situation perfectly:

Yet a pluspunt: the chance that zoiets ever comes out is small.

 

[pokeraddict]

With the two threads going and no mention of it here I wanted to make sure all saw this. AP confessed to P5's and AP should be releasing an update and refunding players. A huge step in the right direction to getting to the bottom of all of this fraud.

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[jetset]

Thanks for drawing attention to that, PA - having two threads is proving confusing and counter-productive on this important issue.

AP finally (if belatedly) 'fessing up is a ringing endorsement for the power and skill of player communities when this sort of incident occurs and the initial response by the operator is to try and blow it off....perhaps it will serve as a lesson and a warning for the future.

 

[BBKPoker]

Just a quick note to say that Pokeraddict and the rest of the players who kept ramming these posts to the top until Absolute, Kahnawake, and the online poker community as a whole took this seriously deserve a lot of credit for all of their effort. Pokeraddict in particular has been extremely prolific both here and on 2+2.

Thanks to everyone who got involved, and thank you to Bryan for following up with Kahnawake, Absolute, Michael Shackleford and Eliot Jacobson.

 

[jetset]

Just a quick note to say that Pokeraddict and the rest of the players who kept ramming these posts to the top until Absolute, Kahnawake, and the online poker community as a whole took this seriously deserve a lot of credit for all of their effort. Pokeraddict in particular has been extremely prolific both here and on 2+2.

Amen to that!

 

[The Dude]

Just a quick note to mention that AP's page in the rogue section is being updated to reflect the recent happenings.

One thing - it ain't over yet. What needs to be determined at this stage is how long has this been going on? Obviously, there is a super-admin account, or whatever you want to call it, and my guess is that it has probably been used before this episode.

Perhaps the guy using it now was a cyber suicide bomber not caring if he was going to be caught or not; a disgruntled employee or ex-employee.

BLAM! There goes Absolute Poker.

 

[The Dude]

ADMIN NOTE: Thread cleanup

I'm leaving this thread be, and closing the other AP thread in the complaints section since it was getting a bit confusing.
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/major-absolute-poker-issue.19995/

If you feel that any of the posts from the other thread need to be moved here, please let me or Simmo! know via PM.

Danke.

 

[jetset]

I think the initiating post by BBK Poker on this thread was an important contribution to overall understanding, because it so well summarised the somewhat complicated happenings up to that date.

So it's a good idea to keep this thread alive in the more visited general section of the forum.

However, there was a lot of really good deductive stuff and detail in the "complaints" thread as well, and although an unenviable task I think it might be worth yours/Simmo's time to trawl through it and extract the meatier bits for transfer here so we have a more complete record of what is sure to go down in the annals of the industry as a (bad) legendary issue.

I'm hoping that Absolute releases this forthcoming statement before the weekend, as the manner in which they handle this crisis from now on will finally make or break their reputation imo.

 

[mussy]

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[Mousey]

OMG... all the good stuff happens in the forum after I go to bed...

This is all so.... astounding.... the implications for online casinos/players are mind boggling...

Keep the news flowing... it ain't near over, yet.