Absolute Poker is absolutely rigged. (New evidence, near certain proof its rigged).

[Mousey]

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

That's good news. It looks like they've finally woken up to smell the coffee. Bringing in a qualified third party is what they needed to do a few weeks ago.

It's beyond me why they weren't all over this when the news of this first broke out. From the beginning, it's been handled very sloppily. It's like they don't know the meaning of good public relations.

AP probably thought this situation would just 'go away'. I mean, we've all heard : "it's rigged" regarding one casino or poker room or another so much over the years we hardly pay attention anymore. However, the players deserve the credit for staying on this, digging deep, and being bull headed enough to make AP see the light.

Someone asked me other day if I thought AP was rigged. To be honest, I don't understand the hand histories well enough to be certain in my own mind either way. However, with as much as I've read, and seen about this... I do think something is hinky and it's well past time that AP took it under serious consideration. AP should have brought in a 3rd party weeks ago. It was obvious (to most of us) early on that this situation was not just a case of a couple of losers crying 'rigged!' because they got beat.

[lojo]

What happens if the GA audit shows that it is not possible to breach security, but the hand histories show that it is statistically 'impossible' for the plays to have occured any other way?

Specifically, Absolute Poker has requested that Gaming Associates conduct a thorough and extensive review of Absolute Poker’s practices and security systems to determine whether it is possible for any person, device, program, script or other means to see hole cards thereby gaining an unfair advantage.

Time will tell, I guess.

[GrandMaster]

Then you have to decide, whether it is more impossible that someone breached security or was given privileged access, or that someone just happened to play so extraordinarily well.

[lots0]

What happens if the GA audit shows that it is not possible to breach security, but the hand histories show that it is statistically 'impossible' for the plays to have occured any other way?

Everyone has just been assuming that the hand histories that have been posted in public are correct. After looking at the email in question, I am just not convinced it is an actual hand history record from AP.

[pokeraddict]

Originally Posted by GrandMaster

Then you have to decide, whether it is more impossible that someone breached security or was given privileged access, or that someone just happened to play so extraordinarily well.

The 15 standard deviations from the norm answers that for us I think.

[pokeraddict]

Originally Posted by lots0

Everyone has just been assuming that the hand histories that have been posted in public are correct. After looking at the email in question, I am just not convinced it is an actual hand history record from AP.

What's different? Have you found hands with the same hand #'s that are different? Are hold cards different? Boards?

[lojo]

Originally Posted by pokeraddict

The 15 standard deviations from the norm answers that for us I think.

For the layman (statistical idiot like me) how many zeros, or what does that number look like again? thx

[BBKPoker]

Originally Posted by lojo

For the layman (statistical idiot like me) how many zeros, or what does that number look like again? thx

# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- one standard deviation, then 68% of the cases will be included.
# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- two standard deviations, then 95% of the cases will be included.
# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- three standard deviations, then 99.7% of the cases will be included.
# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- four standard deviations, then 99.99% of the cases will be included.
# If the total deviation from the mean is +/- six standard deviations, then 99.9996% of the cases will be included.

Can you imagine what happens when we get out to 15? It is so improbable that it is functionally impossible.

[pokeraddict]

I didn't do the math, I was just posting what the math experts at 2+2 had come up with.

[jetset]

This story is now starting to break in the mainstream press (we issued an update on it yesterday incorporating Absolute's latest statement), and it should be noted for the record that GA is part of the Kahnawake set-up as an exclusive testing agency.

QUOTE from IGN:

Following the emergence of allegations concerning the propriety of Absolute Poker's operations, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC) said it intends to investigate its privately-held licensee.

In a written statement issued this afternoon, the KGC indicated that it will employ an independent third party, Gaming Associates, to conduct the audit.

"This week's allegations of impropriety have been brought to the attention of the [KGC]," said KGC Commissioner David Montour. "We have appointed experts to conduct a thorough audit of all circumstances, provide findings and recommendations to the commission.

"The audit will not be restricted to examining theories circulating in Internet chat rooms and fora," Montour added.

Factually, little is known about why the investigation is being undertaken though rumors of fraud and collusion have been linked to the operator. But in a brief conversation with IGN, Montour stressed that, presently, the allegations remain precisely these--allegations.