Absolute Poker is absolutely rigged. (New evidence, near certain proof its rigged).

[noluckever67]

Mussy sorry it is nothing spectacular just there was a debate on my local radio station regarding the dangers of online gambling and the caller mentioned that online poker was rigged not an unusual statement but when the presenter asked for evidence he brought out the AP scandal which the presenter new nothing about but vowed to look into it....I of course should have written local news but lets hope this is brought out more fully in the national news.

[SeattleSinner]

What I love about this is AP still has nothing posted on their website. Nothing about how to contact for a refund, no statement, no apology, NOTHING! This just further shows how scumy this company is. They dont want to scare off a new unsuspecting customer who just happends to stumble onto their website.

And I love the unofficial statement about someone just trying to prove hacking their server could be done. Do they actually feel that people are gonna believe this garbage. I'm tired of the lies, I want the truth AP NOW!

It appears as though the owners or individuals close to them could be involved. This place was taking in 1-2 million a day! If the owners are involved these people are sick greedy individuals.

I dont care if this place gets audited by God, I will never play here again.

[I Like Pie]

About the claim on 2+2 that AP was keeping all the change from peoples accounts. It happened to me too.

I remember when I withdrew all the money from my AP account last year, say $454.54 only $454.00 would reach my Neteller account while my AP account would sit at $0.00 after the withdrawal. I didn't really care about the cents at the time, I didn't feel it was worth the hassle to contact support over it. I guess these fuckers were skimming money there too. The change had to go somewhere and it wasn't in any of my accounts. Over thousands of transactions that change would add up.

[thelawnet]

Originally Posted by bb28

The other bright spot relates to the island of Antigua. With all the licensed sportsbooks, casinos and poker rooms located in that country, there has not been one complaint of impropriety regarding the games. Antigua has been in operation offering online wagering far longer than Kahnawake and most of the sites are bigger. The country has assured authorities that its regulatory requirements are above reproach, which is one of the reasons so many companies are willing to pay hefty fees to operate there. In its fight with the United States over the U.S. withdrawal of gambling commitments, Antigua has pointed out over and over that their regulatory system is as effective as anything that can be found elsewhere, including Las Vegas. The fact that Antigua has offered online wagering for a full decade now with absolutely no complaints by the public seems to prove their point.

What utter crap.

Not one complaint?????

Joyland, Sunny Group, Golden Palace, English Harbour, Brandy Casino, no complaints?

Not to mention all the other Playtech casinos there.

And regulatory system effective?

Total bullshit. I attempted to contact Antigua Gaming, and they don't respond.

They and Kahnawake are two peas in a pod, both toothless licence farms.

Antigua is not exactly a jurisdiction known for its probity, with a history of gun running, money laundering, etc

The reputable online gaming jurisdictions are those linked to the UK: Malta, the Isle of Man, Gibraltar, Alderney.

Not Antigua.

I wonder if the guy who wrote this is just ignorant or else has undisclosed financial links to Antigua Gaming.

[pokeraddict]

Originally Posted by mussy

Don't Absolute own Ultimate Bet, or have I got that wrong? What implications would this have for Ultimate? I think I read that the software is different : big deal. They've been in charge there for long enough for Ultimate to need a full audit too, surely?

The same company that owns AP owns UB and was run by the same people involved in the AP scandal. Scott Tom and other AP insiders have been shown to play on UB as well. I agree UB needs more looking into as I have doubts. The difference would be that UB's software was not an in house development like AP's was. Soon after AP's launch they bought their software company but AFAIK they have not had access to UB's backend in the same capacity.

[noluckever67]

I damn well emailed AP asking for a super user account and the b*******s never replied...i even told them i was useless at poker and doubted wether seeing other players cards would make it any easier for me...cant believe they havent replied

[jetset]

ABSOLUTE POKER PROGRESS REPORTED (Update)

Or is it just more developing damage control?

Absolute Poker and Kahnawake Gaming Commission investigations into the cheating scandal at the poker group appear to be proceeding apace, judging by the latest statement from AP - mere days after its initial announcements that it was taking action.

In the latest statement, the firm recaps events leading up to the investigation (see previous InfoPowa reports) and its assurances that it can be trusted. The statement continues to push its position on the debacle, claiming:

“Upon learning of the incident, AP immediately contacted Gaming Associates, an independent worldwide expert in audits, interactive gaming tests and information security, to undertake an internal investigation. Immediately thereafter, the Kahnawake Gaming Commission (KGC), AP’s governing licensing authority, opened its own inquiry into the scheme. These investigations are active and on-going. AP is cooperating fully with the KGC investigation."

Absolute Poker goes on to reveal its "preliminary findings" as follows:

* The [unidentified] perpetrator of the scheme was immediately terminated upon discovery and the case was turned over to the KGC.

* AP has fully corrected the problem that allowed its system to be unfairly manipulated and is working to enhance its existing safeguards.

* Since the initiation of the internal investigation, the databases have been locked down to ensure the integrity of the auditors’ inquiry.

* The scope of the audit will not be limited to a certain time period.

* The suspected period of time of the security breach has been identified. This period is recent and confined to a relatively brief period. The actual dates will be publicly released upon confirmation by the third party auditor.

* A thorough review of the game play has begun to identify all of the adversely affected players.

* AP is committed to refunding 100% of the losses incurred by its affected customers. AP has begun the process of reimbursing its customers, and will continue to do so as quickly as possible until all customers are refunded in full.

* Even after completion of this audit, AP intends to continue working with third party auditors and security firms to ensure that the highest level of game integrity is upheld.

* AP is instituting strict guidelines to restrict its employees, consultants and contractors and members of their households from playing for money on its sites.

AP expects its internal inquiry to last for at least several weeks, and the company says it will continue to cooperate with the KGC’s investigation and to work with Gaming Associates until outstanding investigations and inquiries are complete. The company also promised to continue to release interim statements related to its internal investigation as appropriate.

[Casinomeister]

Upon learning of the incident, AP immediately contacted Gaming Associates, an independent worldwide expert in audits, interactive gaming tests and information security, to undertake an internal investigation...

Hmmm...don't know 'bout that. I thought when the players initially contacted AP, the poker room poohed poohed it as a lucky winner.

From AP on 19 September:

We have done an extensive research into the claims that have been brought to our attention. While we are continuing to do a thorough and exhaustive investigation, we have yet to find any evidence of wrong doing.

When you are logged in and playing your game client only receives data regarding your hole cards. As a result, it is impossible for a player to have information regarding any other player's hole cards. There are no "superuser" accounts that enable players to see other players' hole cards.

Despite our confidence in the security of our systems, we researched hands involving accounts that were mentioned in the online forum posts over the weekend and did not find any incidence of cheating by the accounts in question. Results mentioned in the forums were over a small sample of hands, and we have researched these hands as well as numerous other hands involving these players and have found that the pattern of play of the players did not lend credibility to the claim that the players knew the cards of other players at the table. Certainly there were hands that were played poorly, from a poker strategy perspective, and where these players received a fortunate result. However, a longer term review has shown that similar playing strategies have not resulted in the same results as these players achieved in the small sample of hands mentioned in the online discussion.

I'd like to know when they really contacted Gaming Associates. Was it in mid September when the findings were initially brought to their attention? Or was it when the shit hit the fan when Michael Shackelford published his results? Looks like damage control to me.

Bluffing should be confined to the poker table in this industry - because without player trust, you have nothing.

[jetset]

My thoughts exactly. These guys have been in damage control mode for the past week, feeding a stream of information bits designed to combat the continuing disclosures and opinions being expressed across the poker message boards.

And of course trying to reassure the players that they're really attacking this scam within their own ranks.

They continue to underestimate the intelligence of their audience and its grasp of events imo.

[pokeraddict]

The coverups are almost as bad as the cheating itself. The industry would have been a lot better off had they said "An insider breached our system and they have been turned over to authorities" with a full explanation of what went down a month ago. The denying everything when they obviously knew everything and this bits and pieces crap along with the reports of AJ blackmailing them leads one to believe there must be so much dirt there well beyond what has been discovered. You know AP knows where to find these people that are in hiding and they most certainly need to go to jail so AP is involved in harboring these criminals.

I hope this goes as a lesson learned to the rest of the industry that if you have a huge scandal come clean. AP could have saved their reputation had they done so.