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[Alexishot69]

Hi
i am new to the forum and will put a thread in the introduce yourself bit shortly anyhow found this site last night and pretty glad i did to be honest..i generally stick to UK based poker and casinos and only generally play for smallish stakes.I typed into gogle good casinos bonuses or something similar a week ago and found pamper casino and duly signed up for there "free" 100 usd no deposit which i quickly lost unlike some other free ND bonuses where you usually win ...lol..however ive started recieving emails from pamper on a daily basis and the latest one is absolutely incredible offering a 2050% bonus and they are getting bigger everyday.Now the reason i found casinomeister was typing pamper casino into google and just as i thought a rogue mob.so Big thnx to CM and for what its worth ill post the email down below....A x

Dear xxxx xxxxxxxx,

2050% bonus just for you! Available now in the cashier.

http://www.pampercasino.com
Your username at Pamper Casino is : xxxxxxx
Your password at Pamper Casino is : xxxxxxx

2050% bonus on all deposits of $ 20 - 200

Coupon code : 2050WEEK
Redeemable UNLIMITED times until July 14, 2008!

Go to http://www.pampercasino.com and login.

Deposit methods available :


1> American Express or JCB credit card - Global players including US!
2> EWalletXpress E-Wallet for checks or 900 telephone charges - US & Canada players only
3> Western Union or Moneygram - Global players including US!
4> Neteller E-Wallet - Non-US & Canada players only
5> Click2Pay E-Wallet- Non-US players only
6> Moneybookers E-Wallet - Non-US players only

Coupon code 2050SLOTS is available to you and any friends you may refer by using the "Forward to a Friend" link at the bottom of this email.
You will receive 333% bonus on your friend's deposit!

Full details of refer a friend bonus and even more bonuses at :

http://www.pampercasino.com/bonuses

Don't forget to read our terms and conditions before redeeming any bonus including 2050SLOTS :

http://www.pampercasino.com/terms_co...dex_login.html

Enjoy!


^^^^^^^^YEAH RIGHT^^^^^...lol

[vinylweatherman]

It is impossible to win with any bonus above 1000%. The max cashout is 1x bonus, so if you deposit $100, and get 2050%, your max cashout is the amount of the bonus after meeting 30x WR, which is LESS than your original balance of bonus+deposit. Since the bonus is "sticky", withdrawing 1x bonus will result in winnings of $0



Now this (for a laugh)

The reasoning behind this rule is simple. Whatever deposit bonus we offer is redeemable unlimited times. So if you are a player that enjoys bonuses there is no reason not to redeem at least one of our bonuses on every deposit (no reason except bonus abuse of course, which we deplore)

This is their explanation for a permanent max cashout being applied, even if you don't take a bonus

Highlighted is where they explain that NOT taking a bonus is somehow "bonus abuse"

What next, will they claim that losing your 2050% bonus means that you are 100% CERTAIN to win on their RANDOM GAMES on your next deposit to even out the payouts, and that the max cashout rule prevents this

This would only be the case if they were using software "switches" to manipulate the games, such that players who NEVER take bonuses get a higher payout than those that do.


Funnlily enough, I have seen these terms somewhere before, almost word for word....

Prism/Virtual group

[Casinomeister]

Pamper Casino joined the forum this weekend:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...percasino.html

I'm sure he'll be able to answer your questions.

[Alexishot69]

Sounds quite silly to be honest writing what in the uk woul dread for attention of nappies <diapers> Anyhow mr pamper rep maybe u can explain the ridiculous bonus issues written clearly above ? where it seems winning is impossible and bonus abuse is not taking one...lol..but i guess thats why it seems your sites pampers are full huh:P

[pampercasino]

Alexishot69,

Please remember that you checked the box on our signup page agreeing to http://games.pampercasino.com/Profil...Agreement.html

This agreement states in relevant part :

1.2.1.8. Allow us to email you promotions from time to time to the email address you use to register. You will be given the option to unsubscribe within each email;

Promotional emails never go out more than twice a week and it is usually restricted to once a week.

If you do not wish to receive future emails from us simply click the "manage your subscription" button within the promotional email you got and unsubscribe from the list. You will be added to our Global Suppression list and will never hear from us again unless their is activity in your casino account in which case you will receive account related emails only. We are obligated to send those due to contractual agreements with our credit card processors and other processing providers and you cannot unsubscribe from those.

Regarding the other messages in this thread, I have a suggestion on how to play without any wagering requirements and without any maximum cashout! Don't take any bonuses

[chuchu59]

A suggestion for pamper casino. I have seen a couple of the promos and they did look like spam. Although the parties involved may have consented to recieving the promotions, cant you give some thought to them so that they are presented in a meaningful way. In their present form, the promos do reflect badly on the casino. Just my 2c.

[KasinoKing]

Regarding the other messages in this thread, I have a suggestion on how to play without any wagering requirements and without any maximum cashout! Don't take any bonuses

And have you no comment on your 'Impossible to Win from' bonus???

It is impossible to win with any bonus above 1000%. The max cashout is 1x bonus, so if you deposit $100, and get 2050%, your max cashout is the amount of the bonus after meeting 30x WR, which is LESS than your original balance of bonus+deposit. Since the bonus is "sticky", withdrawing 1x bonus will result in winnings of $0

If you weren't tricking honest people out of hard-earned money, that would be hilarious!

[pampercasino]

And have you no comment on your 'Impossible to Win from' bonus???

It is impossible to win with any bonus above 1000%. The max cashout is 1x bonus, so if you deposit $100, and get 2050%, your max cashout is the amount of the bonus after meeting 30x WR, which is LESS than your original balance of bonus+deposit. Since the bonus is "sticky", withdrawing 1x bonus will result in winnings of $0

If you weren't tricking honest people out of hard-earned money, that would be hilarious!

I'm sorry I didn't read that part carefully enough. That is a misinterpretation of the rule.

In his example, if you deposit $ 100 and get 2050% bonus (which means bonus would be $ 2050) your maximum cashout is 1X the bonus or $ 2050. So if you have $ 5000 in your account after meeting the 30X wagering requirements you can cashout $ 2050 and the rest will be zeroed out.

Hope that sorts out the confusion.

[pampercasino]

A suggestion for pamper casino. I have seen a couple of the promos and they did look like spam. Although the parties involved may have consented to recieving the promotions, cant you give some thought to them so that they are presented in a meaningful way. In their present form, the promos do reflect badly on the casino. Just my 2c.

Thanks for the suggestion Chuchu. I will pass it along to the advertising folks.

[vinylweatherman]

I'm sorry I didn't read that part carefully enough. That is a misinterpretation of the rule.

In his example, if you deposit $ 100 and get 2050% bonus (which means bonus would be $ 2050) your maximum cashout is 1X the bonus or $ 2050. So if you have $ 5000 in your account after meeting the 30X wagering requirements you can cashout $ 2050 and the rest will be zeroed out.

Hope that sorts out the confusion.

OK, fair enough, so a 1x max cashout is what other casinos would call a 2x max cashout, because they include the sticky bonus as part of the limit, and it seems pamper casino does not.

Now, for the $64,000 question neatly sidestepped.

Scenario.

Player takes huge bonus and loses the lot and goes away.

Some time later, he decides to play WITHOUT a bonus, so deposits into his account that starts at ZERO.

Now, at Pamper casino, because of the previous bonus, he is restricted still to the max cashout from that first bonus. Pamper give the reasoning behind this as protecting the casino against "bonus abuse".

This is complete and utter bollox!!!!

In any REPUTABLE casino, each spin or deal is completely independent of what went before, this is what is known as "the games are random". This means that however the player played his large bonus down to zero, this earlier play will have absolutely NO effect whatsoever on the current session where no bonus is taken. Well, unless of course, you have "cheating software", such that it artificially controls the games to meet a specific per player long term payout, but ignores whether the play is with bonus money or real money. Under this "cheating software" scenario, it would indeed be "bonus abuse" to take a 2050% bonus, deliberately turn down winning opportunities (known among us Fruit Machine players as "forcing") until reaching a zero balance - come back later, and instead of turning down the wins, collect them. With the 2050% bonus lost, the software will "percentage stabilise" the payouts now that the player is accepting them, and they will clean up by winning around a third of the deliberately dumped bonus back on a straight cash deposit, hence your carry over of max cashout, but not WR.

In a casino powered by the brand leader Microgaming, I can be given a £2000 free chip (unlikely) and DELIBERATELY lose the lot on Video Poker by refusing all winning hands, perhaps by deliberately holding losing deals etc.
If I then come back later and deposit £200, and play the SAME VP game, it will play just as randomly as before, I most certainly would NOT be able to "abuse" the earlier free chip through the game throwing wins at me until the server had rebalanced my payback to the game's norm.

It is this kind of rule, that when seen in T & C, cries "ROGUE CASINO" at any experienced player who has the slightest idea about how RANDOM games work. Whoever thought this rule was necessary to guard against "bonus abuse" is an idiot*, and should not be in charge of an online casino. (perhaps they have been playing too many Fruit Machines before opening this casino).

* Most of us here will probably think something a little different, that far from being an "idiot", this person knows that the software CAN INDEED be manipulated just like a "Fruit Machine", and knows that there are many here in the UK that would know how to do it, or would work it out pretty quickly, and would proceed to bankrupt the casino through those 2050% bonus.

For those in the UK, remember the old "Pie Factory" Fruit Machine. Here is an analogy. The arcade offers me £50 worth of free play if I purchase £50 worth of coins. I request the entire £50 be dumped in "Pie Factory", and proceed to refuse all wins. I then play with my own money, and soon force out the "red" exchange, take £1, gamble next cash win to £25, exchange next for "red" board and take another £25 to £40. I then leave the premises with a smirk on my face. This is successful "bonus abuse", but it only works because that particular machine is about as far from random as you can get. The cycle was so predictable that this could be done on demand, and would be 100% reliable to hit the expected payout target once you had forced out the streak. With the 100% "bonus" on the £50, it is +EV every time if the target of the machine is over 50%, and it was usually around the 78% mark.

It was fun to go up and down the motorways taking these beggars out, but it was a pity the method became so well known that in the end it was hard to find someone who DIDN'T know how to do it.