Gambling Grumbles correction

[greasemonkey]

I wanted to avoid any derail of the inetbet Nightmare thread but I did want to address a topic that was brought up in that thread. The questioning of Gambling Grumbles integrity was way out of line.

There have been a few posters that were up in arms over Gambling Grumbles listing Virtual Group casinos. I don't see them linking to any of these casinos however. I see that they list a few times these casinos but they have skull/crossbones next to them and they don't link to them. They also list inetbet but they do not link to them either.

My point is that questioning the Gambling Grumbles integrity over listing casinos that they don't actually even link to is wrong. Heck, CM lists all of them also and doesn't link to them either.

Of all the casinos silver oak is the only linking casino but when I check them out I am not sure if they are part of the virtual group? It doesn't actually appear so and the affiliate program is not the same either.
Cool cat, VIP Lounge, Club player, virtual and wild vegas all have no working links however that I could find. Regardless, I think the criticism was wrong obviously.

[Nifty29]

I wanted to avoid any derail of the inetbet Nightmare thread but I did want to address a topic that was brought up in that thread. The questioning of Gambling Grumbles integrity was way out of line.

There have been a few posters that were up in arms over Gambling Grumbles listing Virtual Group casinos. I don't see them linking to any of these casinos however. I see that they list a few times these casinos but they have skull/crossbones next to them and they don't link to them. They also list inetbet but they do not link to them either.

My point is that questioning the Gambling Grumbles intergrity over listing casinos that they don't actually even link to is wrong. Heck, CM lists all of them also and doesn't link to them either.

Of all the casinos silver oak is the only linking casino but when I check them out I am not sure if they are part of the virtual group? It doesn't actually appear so and the affiliate program is not the same either.
Cool cat, VIP Lounge, Club player, virtual and wild vegas all have no working links however that I could find. Regardless, I think the criticism was wrong obviously.

You are wrong.

There are active affiliate links to all the casinos you mention, just not on the grumbles main page.

Why do you think they offer the grumbles service? It's to attract players to the site, in the hope that they will browse around the rest of the pages.......and when they do, they will find live links to the worst rogue operators that ever existed in the industry.

So, their integrity is still questionable IMO.

[maxd]

Just a cautionary note here guys: keep this civil. The first indication that this is degenerating into personal attacks, sniping, bashing, attempts to belittle, whatever will get this thread shut down without notice or apology.

You are free to debate this with facts and information; you are not free to turn this into another scuffle buddy session at everyone else's expense.

[chuchu59]

I am surprised some members decided to give Graeme and Steve a hard time here. Both sites (CM andGG) are here to help out players although the methods employed are vastly different. IMO GG appeals to the newbies more since they know little about the industry and commit a lot of fundamental errors whereas at CM players are more sophisticated. These 2 gentlemen would have made great contributions and I do hope we dont scare them away.

They do not provide links to the rogues and rightly so although it seems they view this from a different perspective. It may take some time to persuade them to sever ties , if any, to the rogues as players who trust them will be eaten alive by the likes of Virtual. However, that is no reason to be rude to them and actually to anyone who dont share our beliefs.

[Nifty29]

I am surprised some members decided to give Graeme and Steve a hard time here. Both sites (CM andGG) are here to help out players although the methods employed are vastly different. IMO GG appeals to the newbies more since they know little about the industry and commit a lot of fundamental errors whereas at CM players are more sophisticated. These 2 gentlemen would have made great contributions and I do hope we dont scare them away.

They do not provide links to the rogues and rightly so although it seems they view this from a different perspective. It may take some time to persuade them to sever ties , if any, to the rogues as players who trust them will be eaten alive by the likes of Virtual. However, that is no reason to be rude to them and actually to anyone who dont share our beliefs.

Sorry chu, but you are also wrong.

GG does link to these rogue casinos, just not on the GG main page.....in fact, GG admitted themselves that they do it so don't just take my word for it.

I really don't know where everyone is getting the idea that they do not advertise/make money from advertising virtual etc. It's a fact.

For the record, I may have been abrupt and perhaps even rude to them at one point, because I am passionate about what I believe when it comes to the likes of virtual etc....that is, there is NO excuse for affiliates to be promoting them and to do so is playing a part in the fleecing of innocent players, particularly newbs. Yes, they are providing a helpful service for players, but one must question their ethics given that these are experienced industry people who KNOW what these rogue outfits are all about. To say "oh yes but we don't promote them heavily" or "if they do the wrong thing we promote them less" is, quite frankly, unethical and it personally disgusts me.

If some want to continue to sing their praises and defend them, well that's your right.....but the way I see it, by defending those who promote such rogue operators you are also playing a part in the problem (albeit it a small one).

Graeme and Steve might be really nice guys, which is great, but I'm not talking about them personally, I'm talking about their business ethics and IMO they leave a lot to be desired. Look at it this way....when was the last time Bryan told you about the casino that had done the wrong thing and had been thrown in the rogue pit, and a few days later you see a link on CM saying "play here" for the same casino? Never going to happen, as I doubt Bryan could sleep at night knowing he was sending players that place their trust in him to a casino that quite possibly will take them to the cleaners.

[gaydave]

You are wrong.

There are active affiliate links to all the casinos you mention, just not on the grumbles main page.

Why do you think they offer the grumbles service? It's to attract players to the site, in the hope that they will browse around the rest of the pages.......and when they do, they will find live links to the worst rogue operators that ever existed in the industry.

So, their integrity is still questionable IMO.

Can you post a link or even just PM me a link? Not trying to pick a fight but I have just scoured the site of theirs and I can't find any working links to them. So if you can PM me the link or post that would help. Thnx in advance.

[Cleveland]

Can you post a link or even just PM me a link? Not trying to pick a fight but I have just scoured the site of theirs and I can't find any working links to them. So if you can PM me the link or post that would help. Thnx in advance.

I'm so not in this fight by the way. I just had came across it while I was googling them. I have no clue how affiliate stuff works so I'm not sure if this is the type of link y'all are talking about.

http://www.gamblinggrumbles.com/casinos/Cool-Cat-Casino

[gaydave]

I'm so not in this fight by the way. I just had came across it while I was googling them.

http://www.gamblinggrumbles.com/casinos/Cool-Cat-Casino

Thank you cleveland. Is it just me or does the page come up and the links do not work, then the page quickly changes (without me hitting anything) to another page that doesnt list cool cat? The only way I could get this link to work is to scroll all the way down and skip all of the other stuff and finally click "play here". I had to try multiple times as it kept changing the page on me automatically.
If that happens to anyone and they get any clicks on that particular page then it would be a minor miracle. I would lay a bet that they don't even know it works. Maybe I am wrong. That is picking nits, however. Clearly they are not promoting the casino. It has skull by it. They are making it hard to get there if you are trying. If your a new player and you don't know where to play you wont find that. integrity still in check IMO.

[Cleveland]

Nevermind you're right.

I use firefox so the page loads normally for me as most scripts etc on their site aren't running on mine. But when I temporarily "allowed" their site to run the page started doing as you said. It actually takes me back to the main page. I guess for those who use firefox you will see the Cool Cat profile page with the info and links.

[chuchu59]

Even if GG does have links to the rogues IMO the best option would be to talk them out of it highlighting the need to put the interests of the players first. It is counter-productive to bash them at every possible opportunity as this is likely to meet with resistance.