Convincing Webmasters to Advertise responsibly

[Roanan]

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I've filed my complaint.

I want access to my affiliate account so that I can be sure that they are going to be fair and to get my affiliate tag. Either way they know who I am as I have promoted them since day one and have all of the contest/posts archived that will show HUNDREDS if not thousands of NEW player signups.

Here is one of the events that is still public: Link Removed (invalid URL)

Thanks again!

When/if you do get your affiliate cheque, are you going to use it to reimburse all the players you have helped the Virtual Casino Group rip off over the years?

 

[GamTrak]

When/if you do get your affiliate cheque, are you going to use it to reimburse all the players you have helped the Virtual Casino Group rip off over the years?

WTF? That is not for you to ask or any of your friggen business TROUBLE MAKER so find someone else to harrass because I'm NOT the one got it?

 

[Roanan]

WTF? That is not for you to ask or any of your friggen business TROUBLE MAKER so find someone else to harrass because I'm NOT the one got it?

Awww...poor baby.

You have been making a living helping the Virtual Casino Group people rip players off for years, and ARE STILL DOING IT to this very day.

Your main page shows you actively promoting them, plus every month you make new threads in your forum devoted entirely to posting coupon codes from The Virtual Group.


...and do you really think you can intimidate me with a rude, insulting email:

Date: 30 Dec 2009 23:28:43 -0000
To: [email protected]
Subject: You best watch your step.
From: "GamTrak @ Casinomeister's Online Casino and Poker Forum" <[email protected]>
Sender: [email protected]

This is a message from GamTrak at Casinomeister's Online Casino and Poker Forum ( https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/ ). The Casinomeister's Online Casino and Poker Forum owners cannot accept any responsibility for the contents of the email.

To email GamTrak, you can use this online form:
Link Outdated / Removed

OR, by email:
mailto:[email protected]

This is the message:

I don't need your smart ass comments directed toward me so you need to stop asap because I'm not gonna play around with an idiot like yourself.

The next email won't be so nice.

Robin

 

[Bencuri]

When/if you do get your affiliate cheque, are you going to use it to reimburse all the players you have helped the Virtual Casino Group rip off over the years?

I agree with Roanan. You should consider that in case you promote these places, you also take part in the cheating that these places do. In case you would't direct players to these rogue place with affiliate link would I say, okay, you are not part of this bad businesses, because you don't benefit from the players being fooled by rogue casinos. But the case is you know they are rogue, and even if you warn others, you leave your affiliate links and banners to these casinos on your sites.

And unfortunately it is not only Gamtrak who does this, but other big affiliate sites as well...

 

[Redbush54]

When/if you do get your affiliate cheque, are you going to use it to reimburse all the players you have helped the Virtual Casino Group rip off over the years?

Roanan what business is it of yours what GamTrak does? You pulled a response from the 7th of Dec in a thread about Grand Prive. If you had a problem with what GamTrak does then why didn't you pm her? Did you pm her and ask why she promoted them? Did you have her permission to post her pm and a screenshot of her portal? How do you know that the two places you circled weren't missed on the last portal update? How do you know that it won't be taken care of on the next update? How many other sites do you visit looking for something that's wrong?

Yea I'm a nobody but to see you derail a thread with something not even related to Grand Prive imho is totally ridiculous. Go ahead, crucify me...I could care less. What I do care about is how ppl are ripped apart on meister instead of a casual pm to them asking to discuss something YOU don't like.:xxx

 

[Roanan]

Roanan what business is it of yours what GamTrak does? You pulled a response from the 7th of Dec in a thread about Grand Prive. If you had a problem with what GamTrak does then why didn't you pm her? Did you pm her and ask why she promoted them? Did you have her permission to post her pm and a screenshot of her portal? How do you know that the two places you circled weren't missed on the last portal update? How do you know that it won't be taken care of on the next update? How many other sites do you visit looking for something that's wrong?

Yea I'm a nobody but to see you derail a thread with something not even related to Grand Prive imho is totally ridiculous. Go ahead, crucify me...I could care less. What I do care about is how ppl are ripped apart on meister instead of a casual pm to them asking to discuss something YOU don't like.:xxx

I only made the post because I saw her online and was appalled that she would be allowed to have an account at Casinomeister, and I decided to look at some of her recent activity.

As a victim of The Virtual Group THANKS to Gamtrak's lies and promotion of crooked casinos, I believe it is my right to do what I have done.

Second of all, I took that screenshot WHILE I was making the post above, so claiming that it's not up to date is hogwash.


And I know you don't care if I 'crucify you'.

YOU ARE EMPLOYED BY GAMTRAK

You will always be biased as you also benefit from Gamtrak's crooked dealings, so your opinion doesn't matter.

 

[jetset]

Before this gets any uglier:

It is a derail imo - but affiliates knowingly promoting rogue casinos is a valid subject, and I would therefore suggest a new thread, perhaps with private information like PM and email content removed.

 

[Roanan]

Before this gets any uglier:

It is a derail imo - but affiliates knowingly promoting rogue casinos is a valid subject, and I would therefore suggest a new thread, perhaps with private information like PM and email content removed.

I agree and am planning to start a 'Roanan vs. Gamtrak' thread later, but I was waiting for Brian's response to the ugly email Robin sent me...and it was an email, not a PM, and I hadn't sent her anything, nor did I reply, I simply forwarded the email to Brian and made the response post here.

The fact that the email was both inslting AND threatening guaranteed I would be making this public:

Subject: You best watch your step
... because I'm not gonna play around with an idiot like yourself.

As I mentioned, there is a history here and I will lay everything out later when I make the new thread.


In the meantime, I apologize to the rest of you for derailing this thread, but as my user tag states:

Denis Leary says I'm an..

and you'll have some fun reading about how big of one I can be when crossed.

 

[jetset]

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I am leary of publicly posting private emails without the sender's permission, regardless of how threatening or insulting the content.

IMO you could have PM'd Bryan or one of the other mods to complain about Gamtrak's communication, because the Casinomeister email system was apparently used to convey the offending message.

That said, I look forward to watching the new thread unfold.

 

[mojo]

This is soo sooo wrong!

Whatever beef we have with each other does not mean we are allowed to hang someone out to dry.

I am surprised at CM. You know dam well nothing good will come from this thread. Gamtrak has been beat up here over and over. She said she would not promote them anymore!

Robin, you removed GW. If you didn't I can't help you!

 

[jas2587]

This is soo sooo wrong!

Whatever beef we have with each other does not mean we are allowed to hang someone out to dry.

I am surprised at CM. You know dam well nothing good will come from this thread. Gamtrak has been beat up here over and over. She said she would not promote them anymore!

Robin, you removed GW. If you didn't I can't help you!

the thread is here in complete to read an catch up on who did what

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/affiliate-union.33462/

Cindy

 

[bb28]

This is soo sooo wrong!

Whatever beef we have with each other does not mean we are allowed to hang someone out to dry.

I don't see how you think this is hanging out someone to dry. This history is right here in this forum. Gamtrak kept promoting the rogues and repeatably kept defending it. In fact when someone called her out on it, she would get quite nasty in her defensive posturing, more than once. Those are the facts.

I am surprised at CM. You know dam well nothing good will come from this thread. Gamtrak has been beat up here over and over. She said she would not promote them anymore!

Well good for her......it's way past time, but as you know people that care about these things won't forget easily. It's about ethics or lack thereof. It's one thing for a noob to not know any better, but that certainly wasn't the case here. I always got the impression from her, the hell with it.....if I"m making money it's OK and I'm getting paid.

 

[jas2587]

agreed 100% nice post BB

Cindy

 

[mojo]

Sorry but this is wrong F.

I have always been a huge CM fan. In this case, shame on CM.

 

[mojo]

I have written Casinomeister to stop this thread.

I will not allow Gamtrak, or ANYONE to be ganged up on! If it is in my power, what little that may be.

 

[bb28]

Mojo........I don't see why you are getting yourself so worked up here. I'm baffled as to the why. Gamtrac history here can't be denied.

Maybe you have some relationship with Gamtrac....is that it?

 

[mojo]

Mojo........I don't see why you are getting yourself so worked up here. I'm baffled as to the why. Gamtrac history here can't be denied.

Maybe you have some relationship with Gamtrac....is that it?

Good luck. I'm out, i tried.

BTW where is Roanan? f?

I actually am personally insulted that someone could be slammed like this.,

Hello mods?

Go ahead and slam me.

 

[bryand]

Good luck. I'm out, i tried.

BTW where is Roanan? f?

I actually am personally insulted that someone could be slammed like this.,

Hello mods?

Go ahead and slam me.

All due respect, mojo, isn't this a player and casino advocate forum

If going after affiliates of TVG isn't appropriate here then where is it appropriate?

 

[mojo]

All due respect, mojo, isn't this a player and casino advocate forum

If going after affiliates of TVG isn't appropriate here then where is it appropriate?

Casinomeister tells us this is also an affiliate forum.

I must be in the wrong place.

 

[bb28]

Obviously there is more going on than meets the eye as this post by Greek39 alludes to. (I can not respond over there) Quoted from Greek39's post here. https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/watch-my-stats-drop-gambling-wages.35393/

Maybe we would all be better off if the whole Virtual Group just disappeared. Yup 2010 and we still have long time Rogue Programs running around like little kids in a playground. Years of bitching and complaining perhaps something more aggressive is called for.

Why not chew on their super affiliate. Anyone know who that maybe lol? If I could only remember the name. then I could see if the same mannerism toward certain individuals in this thread would apply also. Or maybe all those affiliates who still have open accounts at the Virtual Group but no longer support them.

So lets not pretend this problem only involves two people. The problem is widespread like swine flu.


Tad unfair statement AussieDave.

greek39


Well tell us WHO to chew on and I'll be first in line.

How the hell is any of it ever going to stop if they aren't named and shamed?

Don't you think it's time that people stop looking the other way, and it's time for people to stop being coy. Spill it....instead of alluding to it and playing these silly little games.

 

[jetset]

Mojo, who elected you to town sheriff?

This is a valid topic for discussion and imo you are out of line in having a go at 'CM' and criticising other posters for voicing an opinion on a subject that people feel strongly about - perceived affiliate integrity.

Why you should feel 'personally insulted' is beyond me - noone has accused you of promoting rogues, and your interest is presumably peripheral as a fellow affiliate only.

Perhaps you need to step back and reflect on this rather over-the-top reaction.

In the meantime I do not believe the content so far here merits the thread being shut down. The content is provocative but valid, the exchanges thus far have generally been disciplined and reasonably courteous, and the subject is both interesting and informative.

 

[mojo]

Mojo, who elected you to town sheriff?

Not a soul sir.

I will not partake in this witch hunt. Good luck with that. You don't scare me and your attack on gamtrak does not make 2010 start off on the right foot!

 

[mojo]

BTW

Where is ROANAN who started this crap???

 

[mojo]

In the meantime I do not believe the content so far here merits the thread being shut down. The content is provocative but valid, the exchanges thus far have generally been disciplined and reasonably courteous, and the subject is both interesting and informative.

Really? Casinomeister allows flaming, insulting, horrible comments?

Where is the OP??

I always thought CM was fair!

 

[bb28]

Not a soul sir.

I will not partake in this witch hunt. Good luck with that. You don't scare me and your attack on gamtrak does not make 2010 start off on the right foot!

I still don't have a clue as to why you are so upset Mojo. No witch hunt here, it's pretty common knowledge who gamtrac promote(d). I'm all for full disclosure on the other webmasters who promote them too, not just gamtrac.

From looking at your webpages, obviously you have made a conscious choice to not promote that group of casino's so you must feel that it's not ethical to promote them, right?

 

[mojo]

I don't believe in ganging up on someone.

 

[mojo]

Ferg? Are your here?

Fergie = Roanan

 

[jas2587]

hey there is no ganging up on anyone I posted the relevent link an I Thanked a few post just as others that know her better has posted her attitude in posting rogue casino's an making money off of them

I agree where is the OP


Cindy

 

[bryand]

I don't believe in ganging up on someone.

FWIW mojo I think it noble and endearing that you're sticking up for a fellow affiliate. But look at the big picture. TVG has, and continues to do, more harm to online gaming than any other single source. If CM and its members are truly committed to player advocacy then it is our responsibility to call out rogue casinos and affiliates that promote them, whether directly or indirectly.

 

[mojo]

FWIW mojo I think it noble and endearing that you're sticking up for a fellow affiliate. But look at the big picture. TVG has, and continues to do, more harm to online gaming than any other single source. If CM and its members are truly committed to player advocacy then it is our responsibility to call out rogue casinos and affiliates that promote them, whether directly or indirectly.

Well then FERGIE needs to step up to the dam plate. If you want to confront someone then go ahead. This is INSANE!

 

[Pinababy69]

Double post.

 

[Pinababy69]

You know what just absolutely blows my mind about this whole subject? The hypocrisy of it all. I can't even get my mind around it to tell the truth.

Without singling out Gamtrak, because the problem goes much deeper than just one webmaster or affiliate, does no one besides myself see how truly bizarre this is?

The very same webmasters who have been screaming for over a year for Grand Prive's head on a platter, and who have linked numerous blacklist pages together, and who WARN their players to never, under no circumstances, play at Grand Prive....feel quite comfortable promoting a PROVEN rogue like the Virtual Group. They've kept after this GP thing for a year, and have actually gotten the desired result of an investigation into the whole matter being initiated. Just imagine if instead of promoting Virtual, and throwing up all those affy links....they put up those same linked blacklist pages, and had warnings against Virtual on every single page of their websites...imagine the impact they could make.

So why don't they put the same effort into outing and shaming Virtual as they do with Grand Prive? Oh, that's right...with Virtual it's just the lowly players getting screwed. With Grand Prive....it's the affiliates. Gotcha!!

I honest to God don't know how half of them look themselves in the mirror while they warn players away from Grand Prive, and in the same breath send them to play at the biggest group of crooks on the internet. I bet Virtual doesn't miss any of those affy payments do they? I know they don't. I remember reading CAP about a year ago..and a couple of affies were complaining in the Gambling Wages thread about their payments being late. Ha ha...guess what? The affiliate manager JUMPED to get it done. They had their Neteller/Moneybookers payments the very same day. While there are players who wait months, and in some cases years, to get paid. If they ever do.

And in relation to that other thread that is ongoing in the Webmaster's section (I can't post there)...the excuse of "I don't actively promote them" is a steaming load of BS. If you have links, and have an active affiliate account...then you promote them, passive as it may be. Supposedly, it's just too hard to search up and remove all the links that may have been previously placed. I'll bet a dollar to a doughnut that these same webmasters managed to somehow search up every single Grand Prive link that ever existed. Any affiliate/webmaster who runs a forum, should not even allow those freebie Virtual codes to be posted on their site. They should be deleted and it should be made clear to the membership who truly evil that group of casinos are. It's a trap..players see those codes and use them...and then they're depositing.

I don't condone what Grand Prive did, not at all. But finally the affiliates have gotten a small taste of what players have gotten from Virtual over the years. How does it feel?

Condemn GP, while actively promoting Virtual...keep a straight face, and act indignant even. It's all a friggin joke. Simply unreal.

 

[Pinababy69]

Ferg? Are your here?

Fergie = Roanan

Just out of curiousity Mojo...is Fergie the same person as Rowmare?

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

I could be confused....but I seem to remember that Rowmare went by the name of Fergie, even though that's not her real name, just another username she used on forums. Or am I way off base?

 

[RobWin]

Just out of curiousity Mojo...is Fergie the same person as Rowmare?

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/members/

I could be confused....but I seem to remember that Rowmare went by the name of Fergie, even though that's not her real name, just another username she used on forums. Or am I way off base?

Rowmare is Fergie or Janet, I think Mojo had that mixed up..

I'll bet no one knew I was "The Coon" though...
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[jetset]

Not a soul sir.

I will not partake in this witch hunt. Good luck with that. You don't scare me and your attack on gamtrak does not make 2010 start off on the right foot!

The intention is certainly not to 'scare you' Mojo, and there is imo definitely no 'witch hunt' going on. If you choose to believe that there is, then it is unlikely I or anyone else will dissuade you.

You are clearly not helping the situation with this OTT lashing out at all and sundry, who are perfectly entitled to voice an opinion on a matter of interest.

Relax and make your points in an unemotional manner...please.

 

[Pinababy69]

Rowmare is Fergie or Janet, I think Mojo had that mixed up..

I'll bet no one knew I was "The Coon" though...
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So why does she have an account as Roanan then? Why hasn't she been posting as Rowmare, the account she's had here since 2003? Don't mean to derail, but it makes me wonder. The subject of the thread is certainly a valid one, no mistake...but when I see someone make up a new username and make 200 plus posts under that new name...it makes you wonder if they're trying to hide who they really are? And for what reason?

A Coon Rob? More like a dog...specifically a hound.

 

[RobWin]

So why does she have an account as Roanan then? Why hasn't she been posting as Rowmare, the account she's had here since 2003? Don't mean to derail, but it makes me wonder. The subject of the thread is certainly a valid one, no mistake...but when I see someone make up a new username and make 200 plus posts under that new name...it makes you wonder if they're trying to hide who they really are? And for what reason?

A Coon Rob? More like a dog...specifically a hound.

I really don't think she does unless she had a sex change...

According to Roanan's profile page here at Casinomeister...this is his myspace account here,

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

That does not look like the sexy Fergie that I know...no offense Roanan

Hound Dog eh...lol
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[Pinababy69]

I really don't think she does unless she had a sex change...

According to Roanan's profile page here at Casinomeister...this is his myspace account here,

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

That does not look like the sexy Fergie that I know...no offense Roanan

Hound Dog eh...lol
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Ahh okay then...told you I was probably confused. When Mojo said Roanan=Fergie...I thought she meant Rowmare Fergie, lol.

Carry on, and thanks. No button right now.

 

[Simmo!]

Affiliates provide a service. The customer is the player. Therefore the player is quite entitled to talk about the pros and cons of that service and the affiliate is quite entitled to be involved. Threads like this give both sides a platform to state their case. How they do that is up to them but if it gets too personal, you know we'll either close the thread or issue some restraining orders The key is to provoke sensible discussion..as it always is... and as the other thread that Pina alludes to does.

That said, I can see some of Mojo's point - I certainly don't want to see Gamtrak (or anyone) subjected to abuse and I contemplated whether this thread should live as the OP could have been baiting, but I decided to give it the benefit of the doubt. The promotion of rogues and the services affiliates provide are valid topics and until such a time as someone spoils it by getting to personal or going OTT, it's a relevant discussion IMO.

Iv'e met Gamtrak and she seems like a very nice person. While you are quite within your rights to criticise and question the business function she provides, hiding behind the anonymity of a message board and attacking someone openly is both cowardly and pathetic and I hope no-one goes down that route.

 

[Roanan]

Okay...I have no idea where the hell this thread has gone off on a tangent to, but as 'Mojo' wants my explanation, here it is.

Three years ago, I was strictly a poker player.
Sure I've been to plenty of B&M's playing blackjack, roulette, pai gow, etc., but nothing online.

A neighbour of mine used to come over all the time and watch me play online.

He decided to join the craze (I've been playing long before Varkonyi and Moneymaker got their '15 minutes') and bought a computer and had me set him up.

After a little while he got bored and wanted to know about online casinos.

After doing a little research on Google, I found Gamtrak.
(I wish it had been Casinomeister that I found first, but that's in the past and I'm here now)


Gamtrak seemed to have lots of members, and lots of information regarding casinos.

The one set of casinos that they were promoting the most were members of the Virtual Group. (Cirrus, Club Player, Slots Of Vegas, etc)

Gamtrak had nothing but good things to say about these casinos, and because Slots Of Vegas were offering the best new player 'no deposit' bonus, that's the one we went with.

Both of us opened accounts, both of us claimed the standard new player free chip (SLOTS77) and we both started spinning the reels.

Miracle of miracles, we BOTH had great luck and made the WR's with plenty to spare.

We immediately requested cashouts for the maximum amount. ($100)

A few days later we get emails from the casino requesting the fax back form and copies of our identifications.

No problem, we did as was requested.

Another few days go by and we get another email saying that our documents had been approved and now they were requesting that we make, at least, the minimum deposit to the casino as a final verification step.

I wasn't planning on gambling my life away so I used $25 from my click2pay balance to make the deposit but Wayne was a little more flush and purchased a $250cdn Mastercard gift card which he used and successfully deposited.

The very next day Wayne is banging on my door, a little choked.
He had tried to log into SOV after work and had gotten the error 'you are not allowed to log in'

I tried to log into my account and got the exact same message.

Okay, we both send emails to them asking why our accounts have been locked and where our money was.

No response.

A few days later we send another.

After doing this a few more times, we FINALLY get a response from SOV that stated that our accounts had been locked because we violated their terms of service by requesting a free chip that was only available to existing depositing players (a lie, we used the SLOTS77 new player code) therefore our accounts are considered fraudulent and the balance (including our deposits) were forfeited and there would be NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AND NO REPLIES TO ANY SUBSEQUENT EMAILS WOULD BE FORTHCOMING.


So I'm now out $25 of my money but, more importantly, I have lost face in front of my friend and neighbour who is now out $250.

...AND THIS IS ALL THANKS TO A CASINO PORTAL THAT IS STILL PROMOTING THESE CROOKED CASINOS.

When I made my post 4 days ago, Gamtrak were still promoting Club Player and Palace Of Chance.

As of this point I have sent emails to Godaddy (Gamtraks domain registrar), Cogentco (the ISP) and the FBI all detailing the fact that Robin/Gamtrak promote and benefit from these crooked casinos.
I will continue to send as many emails, and file as many complaints as I can until Gamtrak are dead.

UNLESS GAMTRAK ARE WILLING TO REIMBURSE MY NEIGHBOUR AND MYSELF FOR THE MONEY THAT THE VITUAL GROUP WERE ABLE TO STEAL FROM US, THANKS TO GAMTRAK'S LIES AND DECEPTION, I WILL FOLLOW THEM TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH UNTIL THEY NO LONGER EXIST.

 

[The Dude]

Admin note - no meltdowns please

Hi everyone,

It's a valid discussion as long as personal jabs and dramatic emotional responses are set aside.

@ everybody - please reread your responses before posting and try to be as objective and rational as possible. Thanks!

 

[Wildfire7]

I think the real discussion here is whether Gamtrak's promoting rogue sites is a conflict of interests, whilst having an account and posting here on Casinomeister as well.

My view is that however much we may dislike Gamtraks practices, I feel as long as he is not directly peddling his filth on Casinomeister then it is fine. As I can not see how Casinomeister with his large membership could ever enforce members who are affiliates to stop promoting rogue sites.

It is unpaletable, but fortunatly repuatation points at Casinomesiter can never buy morals.

Mike

 

[rockycatt]

THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE 3RD GRADER SOULATION Gamtrak's owner mans up to the plate pays ronan , and his friend the money that they were scammed out of very short story especially for hi roller aff

then get on with changing course in life to the honest side of things

 

[jas2587]

THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE 3RD GRADER SOULATION Gamtrak's owner mans up to the plate pays ronan , and his friend the money that they were scammed out of very short story especially for hi roller aff

then get on with changing course in life to the honest side of things

that is not the answer for HER to pay anyone any money that they lost
if that was the case I am sure we all would be seeking payment from some one an it isnt gonna happen

as far as I can remember SHE has promoted them an said she was gonna stop an SHE never did remove them the money is to green for her to remove them

by the way Gametrac is a Female not a male

Good Luck
Cindy

 

[rockycatt]

that is not the answer for HER to pay anyone any money that they lost
if that was the case I am sure we all would be seeking payment from some one an it isnt gonna happen

as far as I can remember SHE has promoted them an said she was gonna stop an SHE never did remove them the money is to green for her to remove them

by the way Gametrac is a Female not a male

Good Luck
Cindy

money is to green for her to remove them

LAST CALL HERE FOR ME BUT THE MONEY IS GREEN for all

 

[Simmo!]

As of this point I have sent emails to Godaddy (Gamtraks domain registrar), Cogentco (the ISP) and the FBI all detailing the fact that Robin/Gamtrak promote and benefit from these crooked casinos.
I will continue to send as many emails, and file as many complaints as I can until Gamtrak are dead.

UNLESS GAMTRAK ARE WILLING TO REIMBURSE MY NEIGHBOUR AND MYSELF FOR THE MONEY THAT THE VITUAL GROUP WERE ABLE TO STEAL FROM US, THANKS TO GAMTRAK'S LIES AND DECEPTION, I WILL FOLLOW THEM TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH UNTIL THEY NO LONGER EXIST.

Can I suggest you channel that aggression towards the casino group? Contact their ISP, the FBI etc etc about therm. It seems more logical to go to the source as they are the ones that took the money.

 

[bryand]

Can I suggest you channel that aggression towards the casino group? Contact their ISP, the FBI etc etc about therm. It seems more logical to go to the source as they are the ones that took the money.

Perhaps the only way to get people to stop advertising for/promoting rogue casinos is for there to be consequences for such actions.

 

[winbig]

Can I suggest you channel that aggression towards the casino group? Contact their ISP, the FBI etc etc about therm. It seems more logical to go to the source as they are the ones that took the money.

Agreed. People pulling stunts like that are only fueling the fire for people trying to get online gambling banned in the US.

 

[bb28]

So I'm now out $25 of my money but, more importantly, I have lost face in front of my friend and neighbour who is now out $250.

...AND THIS IS ALL THANKS TO A CASINO PORTAL THAT IS STILL PROMOTING THESE CROOKED CASINOS.

When I made my post 4 days ago, Gamtrak were still promoting Club Player and Palace Of Chance.

As of this point I have sent emails to Godaddy (Gamtraks domain registrar), Cogentco (the ISP) and the FBI all detailing the fact that Robin/Gamtrak promote and benefit from these crooked casinos.
I will continue to send as many emails, and file as many complaints as I can until Gamtrak are dead.

UNLESS GAMTRAK ARE WILLING TO REIMBURSE MY NEIGHBOUR AND MYSELF FOR THE MONEY THAT THE VITUAL GROUP WERE ABLE TO STEAL FROM US, THANKS TO GAMTRAK'S LIES AND DECEPTION, I WILL FOLLOW THEM TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH UNTIL THEY NO LONGER EXIST.

So it appears that your beef is all about your personal loss?

How about thinking about the big picture, meaning all the other players besides yourself who get ripped off by this group? Perhaps you could think about channeling your personal anger at gamtrak into something that would benefit all players instead of singling out just one person.

 

[Redbush54]

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