Markus VS TradaCasino (Viaden Gaming)

[rainmaker]

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You said in your first post:

-It might be an implementation error

So you are obviously fully aware of that this may be an error. And that you have used this error as an advantage.

This is from T&C at TradaCasino:

If You become aware that the Website generally or any game in particular contains any error, or is incomplete, You must inform Our Online Support Team. You agree not to take advantage of any error in any game

So why have you not informed their Online Support Team about this error? As a customer, you have agreed to these T&C.

[bsilva028]

As I have explained it before there are several intentions why I use my own casino client. And yes, one intention is to do some advantage play. So what?

several intentions?
hmmm
one intention is to so some advantage play
and the other intentions? i would like to understand it
and so what? the meaning of "fair-play" is like the name says "fair"
use a own client to take advantage its not fair..... its cheat

why dont you use your own client only with rogue casinos?

[jstrike]

Well, it's your right not to wear clothes either. But if you walk into the Bellagio naked, you'll probably learn things about security you never heard about on 4chan.
Seriously, are you stupid, crazy or what? I understand exactly what you did. And it may be the most technically accomplished hack ever for all anyone cares. You have to look at it realistically. They make the rules. You can't "beat" them on a technicality. You could be as right as Jesus, no one's gonna pay you for it. What made you think this was a way to make money?

[Markus]

Do you accept that it is the existence of players like you that result in casinos implimenting terms like the 'spirit of the bonus' and other hated rules, or do you honestly view yourself as a complete innocent?

You strike me as a very inteliligent man (with regards odds and maths etc). As an individual gambler I'm sure you do very well but do you see, understand or care at all how your behaviour affects the industry as a whole? (and this community right here of which you are a member?)

Every player has the intention to win money while gambling. And everyone should have the right to do the best he can, as long he don't violates any rule or uses fraud. If someone is not doing well and loses more money than he wins, than the solution should be, that he becomes himself an advantage player. He should not blame other players for his bad success, because he is in control of his own success.

I looked through some previous threads of yours. You threatened to commit a ddos attack against one casino, and tried to pull a fast one at three dice too but were caught. I'm not entirely sure why your rep score is so high to be honest.

I know that this ddos threat was wrong. It was in the early days where I just began advantage play and I didn't even knew that there was something like a PAB-Service. I just did feel helpless and thought a threat would be my only chance to get my winnings.
Regarding the 3 Dice, I still think I'm right, even though most members didn't agreed with me.

Getting back to the thread and the question by Seventh.. you said: ''Yes, the casino server accepts the bets I made with my client''

Would the casino server have accepted/allowed those bets if you did not use your own client? And pretty please... just a yes or no without any wordgames attached. Thanks.

Sorry, this question is not answerable with a single yes or no, because the server ALWAYS accept these kind of bets. It depends on the client whenever the player is able to do this bets or not. The answer would be yes, if their official client would be able to submit these bets. But because their official client is not possible to make this bet this question is unnecessary.

[Markus]

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You said in your first post:

-It might be an implementation error

So you are obviously fully aware of that this may be an error. And that you have used this error as an advantage.

This is from T&C at TradaCasino:

If You become aware that the Website generally or any game in particular contains any error, or is incomplete, You must inform Our Online Support Team. You agree not to take advantage of any error in any game

So why have you not informed their Online Support Team about this error? As a customer, you have agreed to these T&C.

How can I be sure whenever it is an error or it is intended? What I was saying with "It might be an implementation error" is, that IF this is some kind of bug, it can't be a software glitch, but only an implementation error. I still think, it is not the job of the player to verify that all games working probably, it's the casinos's responsibility.

[bsilva028]

How can I be sure whenever it is an error or it is intended? What I was saying with "It might be an implementation error" is, that IF this is some kind of bug, it can't be a software glitch, but only an implementation error. I still think, it is not the job of the player to verify that all games working probably, it's the casinos's responsibility.

if is the casino responsibility when you use your own client if theres an error,
so in that case its your responsibility of use your own client and be paid by yourself og the winnings, its not responsibility of the casino, afterall the client is yours so the winnings are not responsibility of the casino

[mattsgame]

Cannot believe this guy has been a member since 2008 and thinks this is all ok, or has never been caught before.

Took him to open his mouth before anyone knew of anything.

Oh and is that 1 successful PAB, wonder if it was a similar issue.

[nisosbar]

I hope Bryan contacts every casino he knows with this guys details so he can be barred from every respectable operator on the net.

I'd love to see how he goes with only rogues.....

Oh yeah....and I just crapped in the freezer section of the supermarket, but I told the manager it was his fault for designing it in such a way that I was able to.

and thank you for barfing!

[Seventh777]

But because their official client is not possible to make this bet this question is unnecessary.

There we go, right there, it took a few replies, but finally, you nailed it.

I take it that by this statement you meant "But because their official client it is not possible to make this bet", so, let`s recap, it really is blatantly simple, you have used software to procure a bet that is otherwise and under normal circumstances not available.

Plain and simple, let`s not play the innocent by ignorance wild card here, "But all my client done was help me place bets not available on the actual casino server, so therefore I have done nothing wrong (except exploit-ate a bug that when signing up and agreeing to the T&C`s you were under obligation to report)".

[Markus]

There we go, right there, it took a few replies, but finally, you nailed it.

I take it that by this statement you meant "But because their official client it is not possible to make this bet", so, let`s recap, it really is blatantly simple, you have used software to procure a bet that is otherwise and under normal circumstances not available.

Plain and simple, let`s not play the innocent by ignorance wild card here, "But all my client done was help me place bets not available on the actual casino server, so therefore I have done nothing wrong (except exploit-ate a bug that when signing up and agreeing to the T&C`s you were under obligation to report)".

Sorry for my bad english. What I meant was: "But because their official client is not able to make this bet". It is possible to make this bets, just not with their official client.
And again: No casino software provider is that insane that he would blindly trust the client. This is either intended or an implementation error.

PS: I'm currently very sleepy, that might be the reason why I have used the wrong word. Now it's time to get some sleep.