Another 3Dice rant.

[skiny]

One thing that burns my ass when I'm playing slot games is waiting forever for free spins and then the spins hit nothing. I know it happens from time to time but when you're playing multiline slot games the only way to really win is to get these free spins and then hit something when you get them.

To me it really makes no difference if I made a half decent withdrawal once or twice in the last few months. I'd still like to see bonus features that normally pay something not normally crap out.

I don't want to turn this into another variance discussion because in my opinion the variance comes from the fact that during regular spins almost everything you hit pays a portion of your wager and unless you get these free spins you're just going to go broke. Hit the free spins, get a bonus feature with a multiplier and finally make some money. That's the way it's usually worked for me. If anyone's going to tell me the only way to win anything is to hit the highest paying lines during the free spin with the multiplier repeatedly to come out ahead then I don't consider that high variance. I consider that unfair and really bad odds.

End of Variance discussion.

The problem I find at 3Dice is that 98% of my spins hit crap when I'm playing a bonus feature. It's hard enough to hit them in the first place and when I finally do it's a little disappointing when as many as 30 or 40 free spins pays 4x my wager.

Tonight on one deposit I had free spins in Coral Clams that paid a 4x my wager on 7 free spins with a 6x multiplier. Payola I had 16 free spins with a 4x multiplier and a 16 spin retrigger with 2x and managed to win 5 bucks. Fortune Falls finally hit a bonus after 104 spins and paid 6x my wager. I had one good bonus feature that paid well in Tutankhamon and my next free spin bonus on a 50 cent wager with 20 free spins and a 6x multiplier won $2.68.

I have questioned many times why everytime I get a free spin bonus none of the spins will even pay 1x my wager and I get the standard casino response, If you don't like our games don't play here. I guess that's not bad advice. Not exactly the answer I was looking for though. I guess they're getting kind of tired of the question. Which doesn't surprise me because I'm getting kind of tired of asking it.

I guess what really sparked the rant was the way I seem to be told it's ok for free spins to perpetually crap out deposit after deposit as long as I've won something recently or sometime in the past. If I get up a little bit that doesn't necessarily mean I have to crap out every bonus feature until I'm back down. There was a time when I used to gamble online and free spin bonuses used to mean something. These days when I hit them I'm more surprised when they pay than when they don't. In my opinion if every free spin bonus wins less than it cost to hit it then spinning the slots is a complete waste of time. I can understand once or twice but it shouldn't be the norm.

[kakata]

One thing that burns my ass when I'm playing slot games is waiting forever for free spins and then the spins hit nothing. I know it happens from time to time but when you're playing multiline slot games the only way to really win is to get these free spins and then hit something when you get them.

To me it really makes no difference if I made a half decent withdrawal once or twice in the last few months. I'd still like to see bonus features that normally pay something not normally crap out.

I don't want to turn this into another variance discussion because in my opinion the variance comes from the fact that during regular spins almost everything you hit pays a portion of your wager and unless you get these free spins you're just going to go broke. Hit the free spins, get a bonus feature with a multiplier and finally make some money. That's the way it's usually worked for me. If anyone's going to tell me the only way to win anything is to hit the highest paying lines during the free spin with the multiplier repeatedly to come out ahead then I don't consider that high variance. I consider that unfair and really bad odds.

End of Variance discussion.

The problem I find at 3Dice is that 98% of my spins hit crap when I'm playing a bonus feature. It's hard enough to hit them in the first place and when I finally do it's a little disappointing when as many as 30 or 40 free spins pays 4x my wager.

Tonight on one deposit I had free spins in Coral Clams that paid a 4x my wager on 7 free spins with a 6x multiplier. Payola I had 16 free spins with a 4x multiplier and a 16 spin retrigger with 2x and managed to win 5 bucks. Fortune Falls finally hit a bonus after 104 spins and paid 6x my wager. I had one good bonus feature that paid well in Tutankhamon and my next free spin bonus on a 50 cent wager with 20 free spins and a 6x multiplier won $2.68.

I have questioned many times why everytime I get a free spin bonus none of the spins will even pay 1x my wager and I get the standard casino response, If you don't like our games don't play here. I guess that's not bad advice. Not exactly the answer I was looking for though. I guess they're getting kind of tired of the question. Which doesn't surprise me because I'm getting kind of tired of asking it.

I guess what really sparked the rant was the way I seem to be told it's ok for free spins to perpetually crap out deposit after deposit as long as I've won something recently or sometime in the past. If I get up a little bit that doesn't necessarily mean I have to crap out every bonus feature until I'm back down. There was a time when I used to gamble online and free spin bonuses used to mean something. These days when I hit them I'm more surprised when they pay than when they don't. In my opinion if every free spin bonus wins less than it cost to hit it then spinning the slots is a complete waste of time. I can understand once or twice but it shouldn't be the norm.

dont worry u r not the only one
....but this is "the best " casino online sofar.....

[just play]

I guess what really sparked the rant was the way I seem to be told it's ok for free spins to perpetually crap out deposit after deposit as long as I've won something recently or sometime in the past. If I get up a little bit that doesn't necessarily mean I have to crap out every bonus feature until I'm back down. There was a time when I used to gamble online and free spin bonuses used to mean something. These days when I hit them I'm more surprised when they pay than when they don't. In my opinion if every free spin bonus wins less than it cost to hit it then spinning the slots is a complete waste of time. I can understand once or twice but it shouldn't be the norm.

I agree with this....it's true for me too...not just at 3dice but I have had a horrible time at RTG lately.

[nisosbar]

I've lost WAY more on 3Dice than I've won.

That said, it really is so variable from session to session. I almost NEVER find that, on a night when I find a slot paying out well, that the following night it continues paying out like that. Which is why it's important to be sensitive to whether a slot is tight or loose on each particular session - and either move to another slot, or stay and maybe increase your bet size, in response.

Personally, this is my absolute favorite online casino. My only complaint is the smallish number of video slots, and also perhaps the lack of any slots with expanding wilds.

[skiny]

I agree with this....it's true for me too...not just at 3dice but I have had a horrible time at RTG lately.

Actually when I played at Casino Titan my free spins paid just fine. I just didn't hit very many of them. Personally I find it more frustrating when I hit the free spins and they pay nothing. They're really not that easy to get at the best of times. If the free spins are all worthless you're just beating a dead horse.

I opened the discussion with Casino Titan about how much harder it seems to be to win with RTG these days compared to a couple of years ago. I was wondering if the RJ's are taking their toll on the regular play. They seemed quite sympathetic to the fact that I spun away my deposit with almost no bonus features and offered to give me another try. I really don't think players should be expecting a redo when they lose a deposit but the gesture seemed a little nicer than just being told if you don't like it don't play. For that reason alone my next deposit goes there.

[just play]

Actually when I played at Casino Titan my free spins paid just fine. I just didn't hit very many of them. Personally I find it more frustrating when I hit the free spins and they pay nothing. They're really not that easy to get at the best of times. If the free spins are all worthless you're just beating a dead horse.

I opened the discussion with Casino Titan about how much harder it seems to be to win with RTG these days compared to a couple of years ago. I was wondering if the RJ's are taking their toll on the regular play. They seemed quite sympathetic to the fact that I spun away my deposit with almost no bonus features and offered to give me another try. I really don't think players should be expecting a redo when they lose a deposit but the gesture seemed a little nicer than just being told if you don't like it don't play. For that reason alone my next deposit goes there.

Yes, I don't care for that line "if you don't like it don't play", it's like getting kicked in the face.

I never tried Casino Titan, I opened a new RTG account the other day and they couldn't "see" my documents clear enough, after 2 tries, I told them forget it, just close my account then. Maybe I will try Casino Titan.

But back to 3dice, you can imagine how well I am doing there after hitting the Joker jackpot. I did have a chance to cash out last week, but was having fun gambling, then all of a sudden.....poof a few hundred gone within minutes!!! It's really weird.

[silcnlayc]

skiny:I find it more frustrating when I hit the free spins and they pay nothing. They're really not that easy to get at the best of times. If the free spins are all worthless you're just beating a dead horse.

I can relate to what you are saying skiny, I hit the butterfly bonus 5 times in a long drawn out sesson (after a long string of non wins) and thought each and everytime, ALRIGHT this time I will get enough back to play more...but out of the 5 bonus rounds, I made 88 cents betting a $1.87 a spin. Not even getting my investment back x 1 ($1.87) on all 5 bonus rounds.

I get frustrated and leave and give it a break because I get to the point of feeling the same, beating a dead horse syndrome. I posted my screenies on these 5 rounds in the screenshots that suck.

I have won some at 3Dice but I agree, catching the bonus round SHOULD be the ultimate goal and SHOULD reward the player for investing so much to hit it..but it doesn't..

Take a breather..it helps a lot....I have...and it feels great..

"if you don't like it don't play",

That is the gratitude you get for being a loyal depositer, almost on the same line as Rivals, RTG's Mg's etc.."sorry for your bad run of luck" when you know it has nothing to do with luck but with the settings...

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[osulle]

One thing that burns my ass when I'm playing slot games is waiting forever for free spins and then the spins hit nothing. I know it happens from time to time but when you're playing multiline slot games the only way to really win is to get these free spins and then hit something when you get them.

To me it really makes no difference if I made a half decent withdrawal once or twice in the last few months. I'd still like to see bonus features that normally pay something not normally crap out.

I don't want to turn this into another variance discussion because in my opinion the variance comes from the fact that during regular spins almost everything you hit pays a portion of your wager and unless you get these free spins you're just going to go broke. Hit the free spins, get a bonus feature with a multiplier and finally make some money. That's the way it's usually worked for me. If anyone's going to tell me the only way to win anything is to hit the highest paying lines during the free spin with the multiplier repeatedly to come out ahead then I don't consider that high variance. I consider that unfair and really bad odds.

End of Variance discussion.

The problem I find at 3Dice is that 98% of my spins hit crap when I'm playing a bonus feature. It's hard enough to hit them in the first place and when I finally do it's a little disappointing when as many as 30 or 40 free spins pays 4x my wager.

Tonight on one deposit I had free spins in Coral Clams that paid a 4x my wager on 7 free spins with a 6x multiplier. Payola I had 16 free spins with a 4x multiplier and a 16 spin retrigger with 2x and managed to win 5 bucks. Fortune Falls finally hit a bonus after 104 spins and paid 6x my wager. I had one good bonus feature that paid well in Tutankhamon and my next free spin bonus on a 50 cent wager with 20 free spins and a 6x multiplier won $2.68.

I have questioned many times why everytime I get a free spin bonus none of the spins will even pay 1x my wager and I get the standard casino response, If you don't like our games don't play here. I guess that's not bad advice. Not exactly the answer I was looking for though. I guess they're getting kind of tired of the question. Which doesn't surprise me because I'm getting kind of tired of asking it.

I guess what really sparked the rant was the way I seem to be told it's ok for free spins to perpetually crap out deposit after deposit as long as I've won something recently or sometime in the past. If I get up a little bit that doesn't necessarily mean I have to crap out every bonus feature until I'm back down. There was a time when I used to gamble online and free spin bonuses used to mean something. These days when I hit them I'm more surprised when they pay than when they don't. In my opinion if every free spin bonus wins less than it cost to hit it then spinning the slots is a complete waste of time. I can understand once or twice but it shouldn't be the norm.

OMG I thought it was just me! I have been depositing mostly at 3Dice lately since but I am getting really pissed at how fast my deposits are going. You could say I have been having the worst loosing streak ever!! I love Coral Clams and Slotronomicon. I have depsosited countless times in the last few weeks and all I bust out with all my deposits. Anyway I noticed that the wins on the freespins for slotonomicon suck really bad, I can get quite alot of free spins with x1 multiplier but they never pay much. Every time I get a x2 or x4 multiplier the free spins pay even worse since I get the 3 black hearts very fast. Getting a free spin mode x2 or x4 times with this slot used to mean something.
I had a session the other day and after 280 or so spins I didnt get the free spin feature on Coral Clams which I thought was odd since this is a medium variance slot. Anyway those features suck too. I even got the gold album a few times on Payola for 75 free spins but didn't get what I thought I would. I won a whopping $12 dollars on one of these 75 free spins mode with a trigger bet of $0.75 which to me sucks
Its almost to a point that I can predict what the slots are going to do. Getting the free spin feature used to fill me with glee now I am ambivalent cause 9 times out of 10 I get next to near nothing.
The other thing is that there is very little difference between the high and medium variance slots for me in terms of wins or loses so I think that variance level crap is another way to say "see how fast you can lose".

I do love 3Dice and I am will continue to play there. I just wish that I can have a decent enough session that is worth me cashing out for.

[skiny]

This is kind of my point. The games are so different when in free spin mode that it's almost impossible to make a line sometimes.

I can hit 200 free spins or more in Payola but 80% of them hit zero and the rest hit the smallest win lines. Literally. Can you imagine if you played a slot game and 8 out of 10 spins hit zero and the rest hit the minimum wins? You would either be broke or quit in minutes.

Coral clams does quite well at paying my wager back or slightly more. Enough ot keep me spinning for a while. But add a multiplier and suddenly I'm hitting nothing sometimes 12 spins on a 14 free spin bonus.

I realize that these games play with different reel strips during free play but do they have to be so drastically different that most of the time I win more in regular play than I do with a healthy multiplier?

[Nifty29]

I don't want to turn this into another variance discussion because in my opinion the variance comes from the fact that during regular spins almost everything you hit pays a portion of your wager and unless you get these free spins you're just going to go broke. Hit the free spins, get a bonus feature with a multiplier and finally make some money. That's the way it's usually worked for me. If anyone's going to tell me the only way to win anything is to hit the highest paying lines during the free spin with the multiplier repeatedly to come out ahead then I don't consider that high variance. I consider that unfair and really bad odds.

End of Variance discussion.

Nothing personal, but if you dismissing variance out of hand as an explanation of your playing experience, you are ignoring mathematical facts....and maths dont lie.

Did you see someone hit $5600 on a $1.50 bet at 3Dice the other day - now how do you think the casino is going to make money if everyone had a good chance of hitting like this? The answer is that they dont have a good chance - in fact, the chances are slim.

If you want to play a slot where you have a reasonable chance to hit 4-500xbet or 1000xbet, you have to accept that the vast majority of the spins in between (bonus rounds included) are going to pay very little. All the 3Dice slots, and many of the RTG slots, work this way. These slots will suck you dry very quickly, but by the same token you can hit 2000xbet or more (Ive done it more than once)..i.e. the big wins are bigger, but less frequent.

Imagine a pendulum swinging from win to lose - at 3Dice the pendulum has a very wide arc. You win big or you lose big. No in-betweens.

Its called variance.

If a slot player cant accept the idea of variance, they are destined to be writing posts like these forever and ever. You have to accept that the risk of playing for a big win is that you will likely have a big loss.

The only other explanation is that the casino/software is cheating - in which case, it is perfectly reasonable for someone to advise you to stop playing there, as there is no way I would give money to someone I thought was cheating me....would you??

Its nothing personal against anyone, Im just trying to show that all of this is within the normal mathematical expectations of a high variance slot game, in the hope that it might allow other members to make more informed choices when it comes to the games they play vs their available bankroll. If you dont have a big bankroll, and you want to have some reasonable play time for your money, then high variance slots are the worst choice you can make.