Casino Club closed account of �167'500 JACKPOT winner

**zenderady** · 7th January 2009, 12:40 PM

casinomeister.. the guy on the forum said that you have ceased looking into this matter because CC said they took legal action against him. Is that true, is the investigation on this PAB still going on?

**Casinomeister** · 7th January 2009, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by zenderady

casinomeister.. the guy on the forum said that you have ceased looking into this matter because CC said they took legal action against him. Is that true, is the investigation on this PAB still going on?

Just double checking this now (I've been out for a couple of weeks more or less) - yes, this is true. Apparently the casino is taking legal action against this player who has misrepresented himself (and his PAB for that matter). From what I gather, he has given a false address so it's difficult to send him the legal papers.

Max told the guy that we were putting his PAB on hold until the legal stuff is cleared up. But since it looks as though this is ANOTHER case of player fraud at CC, we've suspended his account.

**elscrabinda** · 7th January 2009, 01:07 PM

Obviously for the players sake (if he is being wrongly accused) I want every effort made to make sure that CC are justified in not paying him, but once the investigations etc have run their course, presumably you agree Bryan that this money does not belong to Casino Club and should be either paid to the player or returned to the jackpot pool?

**Casinomeister** · 7th January 2009, 01:54 PM

Originally Posted by elscrabinda

Obviously for the players sake (if he is being wrongly accused) I want every effort made to make sure that CC are justified in not paying him, but once the investigations etc have run their course, presumably you agree Bryan that this money does not belong to Casino Club and should be either paid to the player or returned to the jackpot pool?

I believe the casino's legal reps will ensure that the player is dealt with fairly. If players feel that casinos are fair game to commit fraud just because it's "cyber", well...maybe it's time for a wakeup call. The player is in Germany - so are the lawyers. If the player truly feels he is in the right, there are ways to LEGALLY go about this. One way to NOT go about it is to spew spewage on public forums thinking the casino will "cave" in order to protect its reputation.

We're talking a lot of cash here, and if this player was 100% in the right, I know some good German lawyers who would take this on with no problem. But in this situation, I don't think that is going to happen.

As for the missing jackpot, we're still waiting for a response on that from the casino.

**uungy** · 7th January 2009, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Casinomeister

Just double checking this now (I've been out for a couple of weeks more or less) - yes, this is true. Apparently the casino is taking legal action against this player who has misrepresented himself (and his PAB for that matter). From what I gather, he has given a false address so it's difficult to send him the legal papers.

Max told the guy that we were putting his PAB on hold until the legal stuff is cleared up. But since it looks as though this is ANOTHER case of player fraud at CC, we've suspended his account.

Can anyone explain this?

If he played, and won, what could be wrong? I hate to say this, but they dont seem to have any credibility, especially when we have just gone through with the bot saga

**Casinomeister** · 7th January 2009, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by uungy

Can anyone explain this?

If he played, and won, what could be wrong? I hate to say this, but they dont seem to have any credibility, especially when we have just gone through with the bot saga

The bot saga proved that bots were being used. Not the other way around. And a funny thing...when newbie members began complaining over here about CC, these guys had multiple accounts in THIS forum.

What do you make of that?

So I don't know exactly why, but CC is a "player fraud magnet". And that is worthy of discussion.

Back to this issue - the casino rep has stated that this is out of his hands since this is a pending legal action.

The guy has not given the casino a legit address, and has not contacted their lawyers via email. For the record, Max forwarded the law firm's point of contact to the player - they want to talk with the guy, so this is strictly between this player and the casino. It's out of our hands.

If the player is not a fraud, then there should not be a problem - he'll get his money I'm sure.

**thelawnet** · 7th January 2009, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by elscrabinda

Casino Club operate theirs independently. If they were part of a larger network I'm sure confiscating the money wouldn't be an option for them.

Twosixes.com has a euro boss casino. I haven't got any money there, but if somebody does (it's run by paddy power), perhaps they could check the jackpot level?

This would confirm whether this is in fact a 'boss � jackpot', or simply a 'casino club jackpot'.

**elscrabinda** · 7th January 2009, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by thelawnet

Twosixes.com has a euro boss casino. I haven't got any money there, but if somebody does (it's run by paddy power), perhaps they could check the jackpot level?

This would confirm whether this is in fact a 'boss � jackpot', or simply a 'casino club jackpot'.

Twosixes use the Boss-wide networks, Casinoclub do not.

**Casino Club** · 7th January 2009, 09:07 PM

Dear All,

I will try to give an answer to the many issues raised in this thread.

1. A player that was found to be, beyond any reasonable doubt, a fraudulent player, connected to a group of BOT and Bonus Abusers.
2. This player, and others connected to him, managed to "win" and withdraw considerable amounts of money from Casino Club during first half of 2008 (and earlier) through non-allowed gaming behavior.
3.Using money "won" in non-allowed gaming behavior, this player won a Jackpot in Casino Club.
4. Casino Club DOES NOT belong to the Boss Media Progressive circuit and therefore the amount of money won is an internal Casino Club issue.
5. At the same time period, a legal case was opened against this player, all related accounts closed pending a resolution of this case.
6. Likewise all money won in Jackpot is frozen pending resolution.
7. Casino Club is in constant contact with CM about this case.

I hope this answers all questions and doubts raised and quash all suspicions that Casino Club pockets JP money won by players (whether by lawful or unlawful ways).

**elscrabinda** · 7th January 2009, 09:12 PM

Thanks for your posting Casino Club but the way you skirted so carefully round the issue you must know that your answer doesn't reassure everyone.

Simple question- If you decide that the player will not be paid, will the jackpot be returned to the jackpot pool?