Casino Club closed account of €167'500 JACKPOT winner

[vinylweatherman]

That was in the 'leaked' copy of the solicitors' letter that appeared on the other forum.

My concern with these allegations is that what benefit would any person achieve by signing up for another account when there is nothing that appears to warrant such action - i.e. high bonuses etc.

Who leaked it?

Surely if it were CC, they have committed a VERY serious breach of the rules governing handling of this player's personal data, and worse still, have done this as a company. The ONLY entities to have lawful access to this letter are the lawyers, CC, and realplayer. IF it can be shown that it was realplayer who leaked it, then CC have evidence that realplayer RECEIVED it.

There is nothing to prevent him from signing up & pretending to be a rep for CC on any forum, and then "leaking" this letter, thus landing CC right in it.

[kmay87]

Leaked, as I wrote in inverted commas, suggesting that it wasn't necessarily leaked like we read in the press, but that somehow that letter appeared on the German forum. Off hand, I couldn't tell you who posted it, but I'm sure someone on here knows.

As you said, whoever decided to post this private and confidential letter for all to see on the internet was very silly indeed.

I suspect it was probably the player. I can't see CC being that careless. But don't quote me on it.

[RobWin]

Why don't someone in Germany just check the court filing records to see if in fact CC has filed a case against this player. If it's like it is here in the states it will be public info, as any court case is with regard to adults, of course minors are another situation.

[vinylweatherman]

Leaked, as I wrote in inverted commas, suggesting that it wasn't necessarily leaked like we read in the press, but that somehow that letter appeared on the German forum. Off hand, I couldn't tell you who posted it, but I'm sure someone on here knows.

As you said, whoever decided to post this private and confidential letter for all to see on the internet was very silly indeed.

I suspect it was probably the player. I can't see CC being that careless. But don't quote me on it.

If this turns out to be the case, then his claim that he never received it would be bogus, and it would be pretty clear then that he had been "up to something", despite his protestations of innocence.

What seems odd now is that realplayer is still happy to bitch & moan on the German forums, but does not seek to come over here, and bitch & moan for the far bigger global audience (although I suspect he might be banned rather quickly, or has this already happened).

He could even come here and PAB. If he has a good case, and wins, then CC will look even sillier. If he has a poor case, and responds to the court papers, and subsequently loses, he would have to pay CC their costs, and maybe some damages. Maybe he thinks this is a high enough risk for it to be worth his while keeping this out of the courts, even if this means walking away from the 167,500 Euro in the end.

[Casinomeister]

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He could even come here and PAB. If he has a good case, and wins, then CC will look even sillier. If he has a poor case, and responds to the court papers, and subsequently loses, he would have to pay CC their costs, and maybe some damages. Maybe he thinks this is a high enough risk for it to be worth his while keeping this out of the courts, even if this means walking away from the 167,500 Euro in the end.

He already PABd here in December. We closed the case - based on the information from the casino and at hand, we concluded that this a bogus complaint. He misrepresented his case to us. We notified the player several times to get in contact with the legal firm (that has been trying to contact him as well), and take it from there. So far, he hasn't responded. If he can't bother to pick up a phone and call these guys, then tough titty for him. This is out of our hands.

And since the casino has referred this to their legal representatives, then this case is out of the casino management's hands as well.

He's a fraudster who has gained an audience in the German fora with his sniveling - sorry, but he won't find an audience here. I do not condone player fraud and using the fora to gain player sympathy.

[maxd]

Just thought I'd add a little detail here since I was in the thick of it (the PAB).

• The OP claimed that the casino was stiffing him;
• the casino replied that they had served legal papers to the guy but he was ignoring them;
• we told the OP to contact the legal firm;
• the OP denied it, said he knew nothing of a "legal" issue and claimed it was all bunk;
• the casino forwarded me copies of the papers and the courier receipt of their delivery from the legal firm to the OP with his signature (or someone signing his name);
• again we told the OP to contact the legal firm, with contact details;
• ... and that was the last we ever heard from him.

AFAWAC, the ball is deep in the OP's court ( ) and any of his protestations to the contrary are bullcrap.

[Casinomeister]

Yeah, I'm looking at the receipt at the moment - looks like he signed it on the 21st of August. Maybe he signed it and threw the letter away

From "RealPlayer" 31 December:

Hello,

An legal action against me ? I do not know anything of it. My account is already 4 months blocked. My opinion, there is no legal action against me.

Regards

"RealPlayer"

So this could either be a case of stolen identity and the REAL person with this player's name received this letter, and probably freaked out, or this player is just wasting everyone's time with lies.

I'm suggesting this thread be closed - if we receive additional information about this issue, we can always reopen it (it's an awfully long thread that is hard to manage).

Further discussions on bots can be started in new threads. Anyone say aye?

[maxd]

Aye!

The OP, or at least the person involved, has had ample opportunity to get in touch with us .. which they have not done since we referred them to the legal beagles involved. That ain't a coincidence.

[kmay87]

I agree. With no new information being released, and constant debate as to what is fact and what is fiction, we are starting to pull things apart just for the sake of doing so. And as you both said, there is no comment from realplayer so why should we continue on with this?

Perhaps as you seem to be in contact with CC you can keep us informed. At least we will believe the source of the facts and have no reason to question it.

[Pinababy69]

While I sure don't think that CC is squeaky clean in any of this, at least as it pertains to bot use....if that is the exact chain of events, then I can't help but feel that Real Player has something he's not telling us.

Bryan, you mentioned the receipt....it's funny. When I was reading the last few posts, a thought went through my mind. I wondered if asking you to show us the receipt would have been out of order. For myself personally, it would have been nothing to do with your credibility...but simply the fact that this is a ton of money, and I want to be 110% positive (in my own mind) before I let the issue drop. If you do find it, post away for sure. It would go a long way to easing my mind about some of this.

All I can say for sure is that if this were me, and I were an innocent player who had a legitimate win...I'd have a lawyer of my own. CC wouldn't have to contact me, I'd be on them like white on rice. This is well over a quarter of a million bucks in my currency...you don't just walk away from money like that.

All that being said, Casino Club would be about the last casino on earth I would ever play at, even if in this particular case....they have followed the rules. Their claims of "evidence" of bot play are, in some cases, outrageous. I honestly don't think they'd know a bot if it bit them in the ass. The bit in the letter from the lawyers, about using a bot that can "predict" outcomes is bizarre. If an outcome is truly random, there is no predicting it. They've handled all of this very poorly, not just this case.....but all of them. Thank God for this forum or Heffernan would also have been out 8K or whatever it was...and been branded a fraud.

There also seems to be a misconception re: the legal proceedings. From my own (poor) translation of that letter from the lawyers...I gather that Casino Club has not actually filed suit against Real Player, but is merely informing him that they reserve the right to do so. So they're not taking him to court....just saying they can if they want. Why not just go ahead and file the suit at least? If he doesn't show on the court date, then they will get their judgement, and for sure the money can be released back to the pot.

Last word.....if the casino has really followed all these steps re: legal proceedings, and this player refuses to acknowledge any of it.....how long do they plan on holding on to this jackpot money? It's not theirs, it belongs to the players. Surely there must be some statute of limitations in cases like this. A time when they can rest assured that THEY are not going to be sued. And if they truly have EVIDENCE of fraud, what are they waiting for? No one is going to forget they are holding this money, not ever. So I sure hope they plan on putting it back where it belongs, as soon as humanly possible.

If all this had happened with a casino with no previous baggage, it would sit alot better with me I guess. The only vibe I get from these guys is complete and total incompetence, at the very least. I'll be checking back once in a while to see if the money has been returned yet, as I'm sure will others. Some of us players have very long memories CC.

Edited to add: Just read the post Bryan where you found the receipt and were looking at the date on it. Nevermind the above part...I thought you had said you couldn't find it. My mistake, no coffee yet. Sorry.