Online Casino Rant - Scum of the industry...

[waynemasters]

There are thousands of posts on this site, as well as all over the internet about online casino groups - here's my two cents. If there is an honest online gaming group, I'd like to know which one it is. I've played a number of them, and I can tell you with the deepest conviction - I have yet to find an "honest" one. I used to work for one of the largest Indian Casinos in So. California, I own several slot machines, etc... I'm not calling myself an expert by any stretch - but I do know more about the industry than the average consumer - and I can tell you that it's so plainly obvious that these "online casinos" are nothing more than dishonest, unethical and self serving money pits. Most online casinos offer huge bonuses to lure unsuspecting people to play, promise 98% payouts, great customer service, on and on. I've spent thousands of dollars and well, that's about it. I've not experienced 98% payouts, great customer service - just throwing good money into the pockets of God knows who. If you're like me and have worked in the land based industry - you know exactly what I'm talking about. There's a reason there are "big bonuses" - the games SUCK and a very FEW people ever break even or win anything - and the ones who do have the astronomical luck of breaking even or winning anything - good luck at getting a check. As for the software out there - the manufacturers need to really start doing something to save their reputations - not that they even care, I'm sure. Microgaming and RTG are among the most pathetic formats out there. All you have to do is "play for free" to see how quickly a bankroll is depleted with no significant hits to understand that making a deposit would be a foolish decision. Microgaming especially... I played the "Wheel of Wealth" and it took 486 spins - yes, 486 spins to hit the wheel bonus!?! Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the whole purpose of a bonus game is to - yeah - **HIT THE BONUS** - imagine that! I've written and attempted to call Microgaming several times - with no success. Parlay is another scammer. Their games hit VERY infrequently and to be quite honest, they really need to "spice up" their format a bit. I think the Atari 2600 has more exciting play formats. With respect to these bogus 98% payout claims - I don't buy into the "audits" showing 97.821545% payouts (or whatever other imaginary number they claim). Unless its legitimately audited by one of the big 4, its nothing more than that - an imaginary number.

As for the casino groups themselves - the worst by far has to be the Fortune Lounge group. These people are incredibly rude, dishonest, and allowed for over $6000 in unauthorized charges on one of my cards and turned around and accused me of fraud. Look, its really simple. I don't know if any of the casino owners ever read posts on here, if one happens to be reading this, I have some advice for you - clean up your act! Learn some ethics and practice what you preach on your mission statement page.

On a side note, I'm in the process of retaining an attorney to possibly start a class action against several casinos based in Costa Rica, as well as a few of the other groups elsewhere. If anyone has been taken by some of the Microgaming, RTG or Parlay casinos, please feel free to contact me at waynermasters@gmail.com for more information. Don't let these people get away with shady practices. Contrary to what you might have read, there IS legal recourse against these scammers.

[chuchu59]

I sure hope you arent soliciting business (especially from those who feel aggrieved against FL) by any chance. Maybe you can post more after you succeed in getting your funds back from the so-called scums.

[KasinoKing]

Jeeeze that's a big chip you have on your shoulder!

There are scummy casinos on the net, but equally there are loads of totally honest places. Ripping off players is not good for business - you don't have to be Einstein to work that one out!

One question for you:
I am a player who has been making consistent profits from online casinos for 7.5 years (mostly slots play for the last 4 years, and most of the profit from MG casinos), how did I manage to do that if they are all rigged?

Good luck with the lawsuit!
KK

[lots0]

Hi waynemasters,
Welcome to the forum.

Well it looks like you picked a real Rogue to play at. The Fortune Lounge Group of casinos has been blacklisted by just about every casino watchdog site on the www. I do believe CasinoMeister put them on his Rogue List quite a while ago, as did most responsible casino web sites.

I understand how it feels when you know you've been done wrong by an online casino and there is not much you can do about it. Been there, done that... As have most folks on this forum.

However, your not going to get much sympathy around here when you start calling ALL online casinos "Scum". The folks around here are all aware that there are Rogue Casino out there that will happily take your money and never pay out.

But the folks here also know that with a little due diligence you can find a good and honest online casino to play at.

And it does take "Due Diligence" on the part of the player (you) to find good casinos. I would suggest you start looking here http://www.casinomeister.com/casinos.php

But don't limit yourself, Google is your friend, a few Google searches for Fortune Lounge or any of the casino names in that group would have alerted you to the fact these guys are rip-offs before you ever deposited a penny with them.

Originally Posted by waynemasters

If there is an honest online gaming group, I'd like to know which one it is.

Actually there are several.
My personal favorite and most trusted is any casino in the Referback Group... Belle Rock, Lucky Nugget, Jackpot City, Gaming Club... (I happen to know for a fact that Belle Rock paid one US Jackpot Slot Winner over $9,000 on a $50.00 deposit last month alone... )
But don't take my word for it... Do your own research. it only takes a few minutes and you will save yourself money and a lot of frustration.

[Casinomeister]

Originally Posted by lots0

...Well it looks like you picked a real Rogue to play at. The Fortune Lounge Group of casinos has been blacklisted by just about every casino watchdog site on the www. I do believe CasinoMeister put them on his Rogue List quite a while ago, as did most responsible casino web sites.
...

Um. The FL group landed itself in the rogue section a few of years ago for a spam/bonus problem issue, but they pretty much redeemed themselves after a couple of years and are back on the accredited list

Most webmasters are promoting them as well now. They also have a rep here who can assist when needed.

[lots0]

I stand corrected about Fortune being on the CM ROGUE list.
I knew I should have checked before I posted.

However, this is one time we are going to have to agree to disagree on the Rogue status of these guys at Fortune Lounge Bryan.
I still think they act like Rogues towards players.

Maybe the Fortune Rep here can change my mind by his actions.

You might also want to add a little note to update this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortune_Lounge_Group

[waynemasters]

Yes, FL needs to really clamp down on its shifty behaviour and cruddy payouts. Try playing a bonus game at FL and see how often you DON'T hit a bonus feature.

For those of you folks here that have worked for a land based casino, you know exactly what I mean. Online casinos offer much lower payout odds than land based. Most land based machines have a minimum payout of 75%. There is a Magazine (the name escapes me) that publishes slots payout percentages monthly at a number of land based casinos in the US and Canada. It's usually the last 10 pages or so. So how is it that I can go into one of the lowest payout paying land based casino with $1000 and walk out with $2500 to $3000 (3 times) - with over 8 hours of being in the casino (3 times), but at one of these online jobs I lose $1000 in a matter of minutes?? My estimate of online casino actual payouts is in the 20something% range, if even that. Microgaming takes the cake for rigged software. The Hitman game is one of the worst on the net. 300 credits per spin, I've gone well over 100 spins only to hit 600 to 900 credits total as a ROI. The popular response from the bottom feeders is that "the RNG is highly accurate and fair, etc"... Are you joking?? These games clearly have no matrix dynamics with respect to wager changes - or better put, the higher your wager, the more frequent hits/payouts. If you go to a land based casino, penny slots always have the lowest odds set. The higher wager on a machine, the higher hit frequency and payout structure. The best test for this is next time you go to a land based casino, try a multi denomination slot machine. Play $100 set to quarters. Run the cycle (unless you hit ) ) and then throw in another $100, but set it to $1 wagers. You'll see the difference in payouts dramatically. Online casinos don't extend this offer to you. If you're playing "Break the Banks Again", for example - you get the same crappy odds playing 25 cents per line as you do playing a penny per line and that's one of the things that bother me most about these scumbags. If I'm wagering $100 per spin, I better be getting more hits than someone who is spending $1 per spin, but that is clearly NOT the case. People don't realize that machines that payout 98% hit on a very frequent basis. For example I ave an IGT "Moolah" 3 line quarter machine here at home. It's got a 93% payout chip. Let me tell you how often this machine hits. So the fact that most of these online casinos "claiming" that their payouts are sso high is nothing more than a scam. For God's sake, even at a 75% structure you hit on a regular basis. I'd love to witness one of these audits to see for myself the legitimacy of these claims.

As for the poster who has "been hitting on online casinos for 7 yrs", consider yourself very lucky, my friend )

[silcnlayc]

I do believe CasinoMeister put them on his Rogue List quite a while ago, as did most responsible casino web sites.

but they pretty much redeemed themselves

Thank goodness! I thought they were still on the "GOOD" list. I have never had a problem with them in withdrawals and the withdrawals always show up in my account exactly when stated...and I have had quite a few withdrawals lately from all their casinos...without a peep from them or a problem!

Had me a tad worried there for a moment! Don't do that again

[babs7262]

Hi Waynemasters

Welcome to the forum. Please feel free to look around and see who's getting paid and who isnt. Personally my last year of play with RTG and MG have sucked big time. Infact, I had ONE cashout from an MG and that was 2 years ago. I since then closed my accounts with them with the exception of one I keep open incase I have to try the new slot and review it. I havnt gotten a winning from an RTG since ....Ummm (i dont remember). I use to get winnings from RTG on a weekly-biweekly basis, Im pretty sure its been atleast 4 months. I have all RTG's uninstalled with the exception of one for the same reason as MG except for the occassional yen for a certain slot.

I wouldnt go as far to say ALL of them are scum but it seems to me the only people getting a better shot of winning are non US residents. I live in PA just like you (although 6 hours away) and it's still legal in our state so I dont know why it has become such a Pain the A$$. I may be interested in what you have to say. Im not saying I want to join but if what you are doing is sound and I get some advice from family members Ill keep an open mind

As for the players here. I mean no disrespect but if this guy was a spammer, I think Bryan would of banned him by now. As long as he is not asking us for money why say things like this if he's trying to help. If I find out he's not then I will eat my words but lets get all the facts before jumping down a new members throat. What can it hurt to hear him out?

[babs7262]

Hi Again Waynemasters

Regarding KasinoKing....You need to make him the exception to the rule. Ive known him here for 2 years and chat in private often. He does a great system and doesnt claim to cash out $3000 a week. Alot of people assume this but he has never said he was wealthy from it

He makes a modest profit while having fun and that is what I "use" to do for a living the first year I was on here. I too made weekly withdrawls that out weighed my deposits EVERY week for a year. I considered myself to be a professional online gambler (it only lasted a year lol). This last year has been dreadful at 3/4 places I played at and Ive been slowly closing all of my accounts.

KasinoKing: When I wrote up the page Im sure you know that didnt apply to you. You live outside the US anyway