[ROGUE] cirrus will trick you into a big deposit and not pay you as they said.

[Casinomeister]

Just a heads up that I have not had time to take care of any PABs since I've been back. I should be able to tackle these early next week. If it turns out that the Virtual group is lagging behind - then this won't be good.

Most of the issues that have been brought up over the last couple of months have been taken care of. But it looks like there are a number of loose ends that are still hanging around.

Give me until early next week and I should have this sorted.

[cyprean]

When will people finally learn? The whole Virtual group (including Cirrus, Bet Royal, Palace of Chance etc.) is a totally unreliable and you should under no circumstances deposit any more there that you are ready to donate these crooks. I am not kidding. If you win you have to beg for your winnings for a long time and if you are not willing to wait, you will never get paid. If you deposit too much, you will not most likely even get your deposit back within the first 6 months.

I feel I should post this link again. This is a blog from a person who claims he has worked for the Virtual Group. He shares insights that reveal what kind of operation Virtual Group is running. This casino group has also history of harrassing players and threatening them physically over phone.

http://www.carlhuttononline.com/blog...4/1981778.html

IMHO Virtual Group being removed from Casinomeister's Rogue list and put on probation is a joke. This group never learns - and why should they? There seems to be always ignorant players who are more than willing to hand over their money.

[winbig]

Originally Posted by cyprean

xxxhttp://www.carlhuttononline.com/blog/_archives/2006/5/24/1981778.html[/url]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not that link again...

To be positive about that, linking to relevant threads here on the board or other reputable sites carries much more clout than some random guy's rants. Besides, isn't this the same guy that was trying to sell the "RTG Employee handbook"?

But yea, people will never learn. As with any casino/group, RESEARCH THEM before depositing.

Depositing money in a casino without checking their references is the exact same as walking down the street and handing money out to strangers.

[cyprean]

Originally Posted by winbig

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not that link again...
To be positive about that, linking to relevant threads here on the board or other reputable sites carries much more clout than some random guy's rants. Besides, isn't this the same guy that was trying to sell the "RTG Employee handbook"?

But yea, people will never learn. As with any casino/group, RESEARCH THEM before depositing.
Depositing money in a casino without checking their references is the exact same as walking down the street and handing money out to strangers.

Wise words. However these casinos have a very effective marketing system which often tricks the player believing in the casino is reliable. Research pays off.

Well here is another rogue list. I could not find telephonic threats thread made by Betroyal here anymore but I found a rogue list here:

http://www.bonustreak.com/rogue.html

[dc9999]

You could always contact Hastings BV ..or maybe Montana Disputes will once again be raised from the dead!

RTG WHERE ARE YOU?

M.I.A. BIG TIME!!!!

"and the thieves will run wild..."

[chesterp]

what is hastings bv?

[Casinomeister]

Hastings is the licensing entity that oversees and issues license to RTG operators in order for them to use the software. Hastings is replacing Montana Overseas - which also ran a disputes center to resolve player issues for RTG casinos.

I've been informed today that Hastings should be up and running by next week. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

As for Virtual - check out Day 2 of the EIG special report:

http://www.casinomeister.com/newslet...pecial_ed.html

Most of the complaints that have been dealt with are from either prior to this meeting or right afterwards. Fair is fair, if some casino group is tying to make a legitimate effort to clean shop, I should give them the opportunity to do so and prove themselves. But again - one two - three strikes you're out; I'll be taking another look at this in the next week or so to try and determine if they have been sincere.

[siriuscirrus]

Maybe early March for Hastings? God only knows what shady and corrupt things are going on behind the scenes.

[chesterp]

I never did get this problem solved, so I am pulling it up again.
And again, let me remind everyone that I made this deposit in 2006, before they were considered to be evil.
I have been bugging Cirrus with chats and emails about paying me. I have sent them clear proof that I was given a fully cashable bonus. They haven't paid me at all in many many months. I have completely given up on online casinos now thanks to these guys. It has been so frustrating trying to get them to honor their agreement. Today I am back here posting after a long hiatus because finally today in a chat with Cirrus, they confirmed that they will not be ever paying me my money. $18,000 stolen from me. I told him in the chat that I will spread the word as much as possible about their evilness. So here I am. My hope is that eventually they will pay me my money if I keep spreading word of the lying and stealing. But even if they don't pay me, atleast I can hope to cause them well over $18,000 in damage over the years. I have been out of touch with the online gambling community for many months now. Is there another good way other than casinomeister to spread the word and/or hope to get my money back? Anything like Montana now, that actually works? Thank you very much.

Here is today's chat with manager Terry...

Chat InformationA site operator will be with you momentarily. Please
be reminded, in order to ensure your future deposits and withdrawals
are processed efficiently, it is very important to verify that we have
your current personal information updated in our system along with any
documentation necessary for withdrawals. Thank you for your
cooperation.
Chat InformationThank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is
'Raymond'. How can I help you?
cap1: Hello. Is Terry available?
Raymond: Welcome to Cirrus Casino, how can I assist you today?
Raymond: he is on the phone , could you please let me know the issue ?
cap1: Continuing a conversation from before.
cap1: That we were chatting about
Raymond: ok is about a non cashable bonus ?
cap1: He will remember the discussion I think.
cap1: No, it isn't about a new bonus.
Chat InformationPlease wait while I transfer the chat to 'Terry'.
Chat InformationThank you for using our LiveChat Service. This is
'Terry'. How can I help you?
cap1: Hello Terry
cap1: I am assuming you read my email which contained the attachments
proving my bonus was fully cashable?
Terry: Hello
Terry: We could not bring up those chats in our history.... I can only
go back 12 months
Terry: I spoke to accounting.... they say ALL bonuses are non-cashable
and there are no- exceptions
Terry: And we can not re-imburse the bonus
cap1: You said that before, and then asked me to email the proof to
you. So I did. Please read the email I sent. It contains the chat with
the former manager proving that my bonus was fully cashable
Terry: It doesnt matter... accounting will not honor it
Terry: We do not have fully cashable bonuses
Terry: I am sorry... this is out of my hands
cap1: Maybe now there are no fully cashable bonuses, but I provided
clear proof that it was a fully cashable bonus.
Terry: There is nothing I can do in regards to this matter
cap1: How do you explain my proof then?
cap1: How do you explain the chat where Christine, the former manager,
said she was giving me a fully cashable bonus?
Terry: Like I said this is out of my hands. IF Christine said that...
she was wrong.
Terry: The company has some base policies.... one is.. NO cashable
bonuses to professional players
cap1: But things were different then. Cirrus DID offer fully cashable
bonuses then, as she obviously did to me. Just because things have
changed doesn't mean you can change our agreement from 2 years ago.
Terry: I am not changing it...
Terry: I am simply relaying the information that accounting is NOT
going to give you the bonus
cap1: The only way she was able to get me to deposit so much money was
because it was guaranteed to be fully cashable, otherwise, I'd never
deposit so much money.
cap1: Well accounting is wrong. That is simply cheating.
cap1: I was guaranteed a bonus, and now after I deposited, I'm being
told you don't want to pay me.
cap1: Pure cheating. Lying. Stealing.
Terry: I am sorry.. it is out of my hands... it will not be paid or re-imbursed
cap1: I will spread the word as much as possible that Cirrus is a
casino that steals and lies. I will spread the word at casinomeister,
etc.
cap1: This is ridiculous. You have cheated me out of $18,000. Trust
me, I will not take that lightly. I am very upset and will make sure
Cirrus pays for this.
Terry: I am sorry.. I wish there was more I could do
cap1: Yes, there IS more you could do. You could honor the agreement
and pay me my money.
cap1: That is an option. You decide against it.
cap1: Therefore, I decide to ruin Cirrus as much as possible.
Terry: I am sorry.

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