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[Rogue] I won Random Jackpot GOLDSTREAM i thought
Hi all ,
Newbee here I hope its not too long and understandable( my english is not first language) and i hope people will use this post as a warning !!!!! I just want to tell quickly about my story at this GOLDSTREAM (nottootrust) casino before i forget it . Its been a while since it happened . SO i got this email a while back from them and used this Coupon when i deposited the first time (firstdeposit) email :Join GoldStream's Safari of Cash If you're a Goldstream member, we've got the bonus for you: 200% "SAFARICASH" Bonus 30X playthrough (60x blackjack/video poker) No Max Cashout Redeem: AFRICA (email was sent 29 september 2009) OK so i made my firstdeposit of after redeeming AFRICA i only made 20$ deposit and there was a litlle problem already because my 200% bonus did not go automatic and i only GOT 20$ so i went to live chat and told them about AFRICAcoupon he did correct it manually BUT he told me something like this : u should know that usuallly ..... and then he said: nevermind but i said : no please tell me HE: usually minimum deposit is 25$ but it ok or something like that and i went off chat . (cant remember unfortunately i havent saved all chats becuase i didnt knew this event would ever happen to me) Ok so i started playing bankroll 60$ ofcourse i play slots for wagering requirements I cant remember all but i think i first played 1 other slotgame before i played TEXAS TYCOON this is the slot where i suddenly won more then 5500 dollar RANDOMJACKPOT with a 1.25$ spin( but i dont think that would have mattered) man i was so happy! and started playing 2.50 and more spins to fullfill my requirements( maybe it was already fullfilled when i won but i did not checked the lobby yet and wanted to play more) so when i finally thought i fullfilled i checked the lobby and yes it was showing nothing anymore only what i can withdraw (cant rember but it was more then 5700$)So i went to live chat for more info (unfortunatley not saved chat!! so dumb! )but it whent something like this : Me : Hi icant believe this but i just made my first deposit and won jackpot can u check this what must i do unbelviable support: username please (ofcourse i forget somethings but i only write the important) and few minutes later support: Congratulations!! ive checked your account and u fullfilled wagering and also there is no maxcashout attached to coupon so your are fully able to withdraw this amount! Me: Yes !unbelievable ive never won this amount on casino I love GOLDSTREAM i said and bye So i was free to play anygame from HERE i think i had 5700 or more and played more slotgames a lot to be honest 2.5$ spins minimum i won much more i think i was on 7200$ when i finished playing slots and played roulette like a madman after and LOST alot cant remember how much but i still had more then 3500$ i think (wow when i think about it ) i started to withdraw forthe first time : there rules for withdraw was max cashout of 2500$ a week and i had to send ID and Utillity (i did this no problem and it was verified quickly maybe 1 day not by email but when i logged in the next day there was a message in lobby that documents where ok ) so i think i had 2500 pending 1000$ to play with but i lost this 1000$ and got my pending amount again removed lol unbeliavble and withdrawed like 2000$ and so i had 500$ but anyway this isnt really important idid this a few times withdraw remove withdrawal pending but so finally after using up my compoints and 0.00 balance i still got 2500$ left pending as withdrawal and decided not too touch it anymore and wait for my withdrawal options and payoutdepartment(they only showd two withdrawal options in the beginning to me i choose overnight express (it can take ten days) but after checking there was another options available neteller(so weird) so i went live chat and said i wanted to cashout my pending amount to neteller he said ok give details he did not say which but i only gave him my neteller IDnumber and he did not reply quick so i asked is this ok ? he said yes . me:byeNow it think i waited more then ten days wheni got this email : 2009/10/6 Gold Stream < Payouts@goldstreamcasino.com > Dear my name, Gold Stream Username: kwasje We are sorry to have to inform you that your recent withdrawal request was denied. This denial could be for a number of different reasons, which we have listed below. 1. You have not met the playthrough requirements associated with the bonus that you redeemed. 2. The amount you requested as a withdrawal was not enough to cover the amount of your non-cashable bonus. 3. You played games that you were not allowed to play with the bonus that you redeemed. 4. You have redeemed multiple free chips and have yet to make a deposit with us. These are just a few of the reasons that your recent withdrawal request for $2,500.00 may have been denied. We would recommend that you contact us immediately to find out why your withdrawal request was denied, and to find out what you can do to help get it approved. We look forward to speaking with you soon! Sincerely, Customer Relations Manager Toll Free: 1-888-402-2062 E-mail: Payouts@GoldStreamCasino.com www.GoldStreamCasino.com Whaat i was so angry i could believe this!i logged in i went to live chat (from now i started saving every conversation) so now i will stop and just SHOW you my LIVECHATS i had with an agent another agent and later a casinomanager(supposedly)HERE IT IS (i am wesley )i wont be saying anything else i stop now (tired) and just wanted to let u know i quickly lost my 60$(socalled secondschance pzzzzz !)and uninstalled the software ! and i hope you people will never experience this and find this GOLDSTREAM is rogue!! : any feedback would be great !! ok HERE :Alex: Hello, Welcome to Gold Stream Casino! wesley: Hi why was my withdrawal of 2500 denied ? wesley: unbelievanle wesley: ive now have 50 instead of 2500 wesley: 60 Alex: May I have your userID please? wesley: kwasje wesley: i dont understand this ive won a jackpot and cant claim my winnings Alex: You played Roulette. wesley: what >? Alex: Wagers placed in Roulette, Craps, Pai Gow Poker, Baccarat and Sic Bo do not count towards meeting the wagering requirement. wesley: thats unfair Alex: We placed the deposit and bonus in again as second chance for you. Alex: No is not. wesley: ive played roulette when my playthrough wesley: was over wesley: ive fullfilled Alex: If you don't know which games you can play you always ask like you are doing now. wesley: the lobby showed wesley: it wesley: i laso taljed too live chat after i won jackpot right after wesley: talked wesley: theu said ive won wesley: and i was able to withdraw full amount Alex: You met the playthorugh with games you are banned to play. wesley: this isnt fair wesley: you proof me please Alex: The system doesn't know the rules, with those games completing the wagers is extremely easy. The casino decide to banned does games to all bonuses and this is very clear in all online casinos.\ wesley: You guys saids to me that ive won one of u even confirmed that ive won wesley: this unbelievable and i feel u robbed me wesley: plase checjk history of my chat Alex: For the future remember always to ask the rules of the coupon. wesley: u will see i talk to one of u right after i won Alex: You spoke with customer service agent, the withdraw is denied by the pay out department. wesley: who can i email to ? wesley: this is outrageous Alex: For what? wesley: fo4r this wesley: u dont seem to understand me Alex: Sorry but this was denied but them already, you won't be receiving that money. You were not entitled to it. Alex: I do however you don't see to understand me. wesley: i want my history send to me by email plase wesley: also i think you casino isnt fair Alex: We don't do that. Alex: I can figure that since you are not getting the money is normal you feel that way. wesley: haha your not a pro wesley: its 2500 wesley: u robbing me wesley: not 60 Alex: You are robbing us by breaking our establish rules. wesley: i plaed all this timey wesley: yeah right please proof me then wesley: your are unbelievable Alex: The denial is most clear proof of it. wesley: icant even get any proof Alex: My friend I'm letting you know what occurred even if you keep trying with some else the money is not yours to cash out. wesley: i know i played correctly why cant u show me that i was wrong wesley: so what do you think now ? wesley: you think i walk away just like nothing happened Alex: I think you should go to bed now, tomorrow is a new day. Alex: I don't think that however I know this money will not be given to you. Alex: You did not make the money correctly. wesley: Its unfair i really tought i won Alex: Once again you played a game you are not allowed to. wesley: didnt showed wesley: i did not man wesley: wow you guys thanks Alex: You are welcome. Alex: I'm sorry for the inconvenience. (next day) Megan: Hello, Welcome to Gold Stream Casino! wesley: Hi i want to know why wesley: my withdrawal of 2500 was conficated wesley: nagain wesley: and i have left over 60 Megan: I need to check the account wesley: kwasje Megan: may I have the user name ,please Megan: thanks Megan: it was removed from the account because you have played non allowed games with the bonus wesley: like which game? Megan: they put back your deposit and the bonus Megan: for you to start from scratch wesley: which game did i played? Megan: one moment wesley: i only played slots wesley: when i won jackpot wesley: 5500 wesley: i contact support wesley: and ask them what i have to do Megan: nope Megan: you have played roulette Megan: You cannot play baccarat, craps, roulette, sic Bo, pontoon21 these games will not be included in the calculation of the play through requirements, unless specifically stated otherwise by the casino manager. wesley: does that mean u can take evrything even if i played ? wesley: does not count toward wesley: its says wesley: not vcount wesley: not take Megan: yes , that is clearly stated at the web site wesley: when i conjtacted live support wesley: they didnt say that then wesley: i was congratulated Megan: let me give you the info wesley: afrter i won jackpot i played alot of games wesley: including roulette wesley: i also used alot of comps wesley: so i played all this time wesley: for nothing ? wesley: first u congratulate me wesley: then i take my leftover wesley: u wesley: i know the info wesley: im not new to online casino and ive nevr been treated this was way wesley: i used bonuscode wesley: AFRICA u know wesley: 20 deposit wesley: 40 bonus wesley: 60 start balance wesley: i instanlty start plauing slots wesley: texastycoon wesley: i win 5600 jackpot with 1.25 spin wesley: i play more wesley: much more on texastycoon wesley: thern i contact support Megan: I have reviewed the chats history Megan: and they are no records of any one Megan: telling you that wesley: he said congratulation u are fully able to withdraw becyase there is no maxcashout wesley: yeah wesley: haha wesley: right wesley: u are working for wesley: thieves wesley: i will send evry forum about this wesley: and i feel sorry for your players wesley: i already asked aboutr tyhis with email wesley: but no reply Megan: ok Megan: here is the think I am trying to help you Megan: but since you are calling us names Megan: I rather you send and email to the manager wesley: u must understand i won jackpot and u take it Megan: he will get back to you wesley: understand ? Megan: yes , but you must understand to wesley: i send 4 emails wesley: no reply yet wesley: it say 1 business day its now 4 wesley: 4 emails! Megan: those rules were made to be followed Megan: Unless otherwise stated, all bonuses including (but not restricted to) weekly & weekend coupons, comp points, Cashback bonuses, no-deposit bonuses & comps etc, as well as the deposits made to redeem any aforementioned bonuses, must be wagered at least 30 times before withdrawing. Wagering on Roulette, Craps, Baccarat, Pai Gow Poker and Sic Bo will not count towards this wagering requirement. Every $1 wagered on any of the Blackjack games and Video Poker or Multi-Hand Video Poker games will count as $0.50 towards meeting the wagering requirements. If an excluded game is played before completion of the above wagering requirements, the casino reserves the right to void all funds and close the account, and require the player to forfeit the bonus. For example, if a deposit of US$100 is made and a bonus of US$100 is redeemed, the player must wager at least US$6,000 ((US$100 + US$100) x 30) on applicable games prior to requesting a withdrawal. Players from Sweden, Finland, Netherlands & Norway must wager an additional 5 times on any bonus. wesley: megan i am telling u Megan: did you read the part says Megan: the casino reserves the right to void all funds and close the account, and require the player to forfeit the bonus wesley: i did played only slots wesley: im not stupid wesley: u say im play roulette wesley: its dumb wesley: i did not only after i fullfilled wesley: i played so much wesley: how canh i not fullfilled !! wesley: the lobby also was showing i fullfilled wesley: hello ? wesley: u want too close my account? Megan: in order to get this done Megan: you need to contact the manager Megan: through email wesley: what i s his name wesley: ok wesley: megan im not lying Megan: Roulette 93 0.5% $7,456.00 $80.17 19.7% $1,418.00 wesley: what is that Megan: you have played 19.7% roulette wesley: i onmly made 20 deposit Megan: and won $1.418 wesley: so playtrough was small wesley: yes after fullment wesley: filment\ wesley: im not crazy Megan: I am sorry you have played roulette wesley: i played slots too fullfill first 20 plus 40 wesley: not you are tryuing to say that to me cuz u dont wan t to pay me wesley: megan wesley: im did the right thing Megan: the rules are very clear wesley: slots wesley: yes they are wesley: and i obeyed tthem Megan: I can give you the link if you want ,me to wesley: what bonus did i wesley: ? wesley: used? Megan: the casino reserves the right to void all funds and close the account, and require the player to forfeit the bonus wesley: yes its easy for u Megan: instead of taken all the money from you wesley: according to you which bonus did i Megan: they gave you a second chance to start all over again Megan: did you realize that Megan: I guess not wesley: come on megan i had 5699 wesley: ! wesley: and u confirmed and congratulated me Megan: I understand your frustration wesley: haha wesley: really wesley: i dont believe u wesley: i think im not the first person Megan: but come on , you know they did you a favor wesley: who ghet shrugged off like this Megan: you know I am not lying wesley: i know wesley: megan u are and wesley: you know too wesley: come on Megan: i ran the report and you have played roulette wesley: do the wesley: right wesley: thing and tell wesley: your manager to pay m,e Megan: now you are calling me a liar wesley: common megan i know you are trained Megan: I can try to reach a manager wesley: too fool people around Megan: but he tell you the same thing wesley: yes because you are nothing but untrustable? wesley: how many players do iu have? wesley: i will go tell evryone wesley: about my wesley: misfortune here wesley: and i want mangters name Megan: If I start counting I might finish until 2 hours wesley: megan how qwould u wesley: feeel Paulie: Good morning , this is Paulie the casino manager Paulie: I was monitoring this chat wesley: hi paulie Paulie: how may I help you ? wesley: did someone explauin to yoou wesley: ? wesley: or do i have to tell again Paulie: I read the chat already wesley: Megan: Hello, Welcome to Gold Stream Casino! wesley: Hi i want to know why wesley: my withdrawal of 2500 was conficated wesley: nagain wesley: and i have left over 60 Megan: I need to check the account wesley: kwasje Megan: may I have the user name ,please Megan: thanks Megan: it was removed from the account because you have played non allowed games with the bonus wesley: like which game? Megan: they put back your deposit and the bonus Megan: for you to start from scratch wesley: which game did i played? Megan: one moment wesley: i only played slots wesley: when i won jackpot wesley: 5500 wesley: i contact support wesley: and ask them what i have to do Megan: nope Megan: you have played roulette Megan: You cannot play baccarat, craps, roulette, sic Bo, pontoon21 these games will not be included in the calculation of the play through requirements, unless specifically stated otherwise by the casino manager. wesley: does that mean u can take evrything even if i played ? wesley: does not count toward wesley: its says wesley: not vcount wesley: not take Megan: yes , that is clearly stated at the web site wesley: when i conjtacted live support wesley: they didnt say that then wesley: i was congratulated Megan: let me give you the info wesley: ok sorry wesley: i will explain properly wesley: i deposited few days ago 20 bonus code africa wesley: got 60 Paulie: yes I saw that wesley: hello? wesley: i play slots wesley: and win jackpot on texas tycoon wesley: 5500 ? wesley: can u see that too? Paulie: Unfortunately you played roulette therefore the deposit went back to the account along with the original bonus you took . wesley: no i didnt played roulette when i was in the bonus wesley: bonus was over wesley: already wesley: the lobby was gone wesley: i know it was already over wesley: and wesley: i also contacted live support wesley: a few moments after i won wesley: i could not believ it Paulie: let me double check that for you Paulie: one moment please wesley: and aske i f i rally won wesley: he checked it wesley: and said wesley: congratulationi ve checked your account wesley: or smething wesley: im really not lying .. wesley: why Paulie: who did you check this with ? wesley: i dont know man wesley: im telling u i had this conversation wesley: if its gone somebody has eraesed it wesley: i also played so much more after i wesley: won this jackpot wesley: and also wsitched comps ? Paulie: I believe alex already explained you why this withdrawal was denied on Oct 6th wesley: yes alex wesley: i think alexx dont understand me wesley: Alex was laughing wesley: at me wesley: i felt that wesley: he is like a bot wesley: and i sended 4 emaqil wesley: do iu want too see wesley: chat between me and him wesley: i have it Paulie: I read the entire chat you had with Alex wesley: shame i dont have the one when i won the jackpot Paulie: he explained you why this withdrawal was denied . wesley: so why cant u see me other chat wesley: ? wesley: u can see it wesley: yes becuase i played a forbidden wesley: game wesley: not! wesley: its not true paulie wesley: why am i lying wesley: wwhy are u saying i played roulette wesley: i did not wesley: played in bonus afica AFTER wesley: only Paulie: I am reviewing all chat transcripts now . Paulie: this is what I will do wesley: i onlu deposited 29 so the playtrouhgf was already reached with slot play and the lobby an your agent told me too wesley: 20\ Paulie: I will check with the payout dept manager about this Paulie: he should be here in about 3 hours . wesley: i send payout department 4 emails they dont repsond to wesley: m,e Paulie: Please contact me back around that time . wesley: please i hope you help me out man and do the righht thing Paulie: I understand therefore please contact me in about 3 hours . Paulie: I will check it with them Paulie: with the payout dept manager . wesley: ok i save this convesrtation wesley: i hope too hear form u soon wesley: please im telling u i did not do anything rwrong im not lying wesley: and you already congratulated me and confirmed me winnings wesley: and then iu take it again wesley: ok wesley: i will wait Short: The REASON why GOLDSTREAM denied my withdrawal is clearly that i played ROULETTE which i have played AFTER fullfilling Bonus coupon AFRICA which was confirmed in the lobby and live support told me that i fullfilled wagering and that there was no maxcashout attached to coupon and(something like this) :Congratulations wesley ive checked your account and i see u fullfilled wagering and there was no maxcashout attached so this amount is yours to keep! so why cant i play roulette now there are no rules to jacpotwins are there ? does redeeming comp points have rules ? but why then take ervything? and not only the comp points i redemmed if TRUE i also remeber my balance was alot higher maybe plus 7000 after hours of slot play and i DEFINATELY remeber playing ROULETTE and losing almost evrything ON ROULETTE(i lost alot more then i won think ) yes but managed to get back a litlle and this was way after i fullfilled ! I repeat I already fullfilled my wagering requirements of coupon AFRICA and i did not use any other (i redeemed some comps but that it ) after my deposit i started playing slots only i can REMEMBER that very clea rly as i know the rules of completing wagering requirements wesley: Hi wesley: i want to speaj Amanda: HI wesley: to paulie Amanda: may i ask what this is in reference to? wesley: just tell him wesley: please wesley: he know i will be here wesley: he told me come in 3 hours Amanda: ok he wil be right with you he said...;-) wesley: ok wesley: great Amanda: he is checking on something for you wesley: im not going anywhere Amanda: ok good Amanda: they r still working on it Amanda: must have been a big issue huh? wesley: OK wesley: yes Please wait while I transfer the chat to Paulie. You are now chatting with Paulie. Paulie: Hi Again wesley: hi Paulie: I ran a report of your total game play wesley: ok Paulie: Unfortunately you did played Roulette in between slots . Paulie: therefore we had to denied the withdrawal and have you start with the original deposit and bonus again . wesley: no this cant be true wesley: what was my balance when i played roulette ? wesley: have you wesley: found the chat session of that day Paulie: the balance is not a problem . wesley: can u tell me which slots i played in order and when i played roulette Paulie: you played slots first Paulie: then roulette . Paulie: then slots and requested a withdrawal Paulie: this on the 26th wesley: yes Paulie: then you cancelled your withdrawal on the 30th wesley: after i spoke with agent and the lobbey showed fullfillment Paulie: played slots for an hour wesley: yes Paulie: and then went back to roulette wesley: i cancelled alot of withdrawals wesley: true Paulie: Again this coupon is a slots coupon only wesley: but it was full filled wesley: how many did i wagerd on slots wesley: it way way more then Paulie: that is where you are wrong Paulie: the reason why you cannot play other games on this bonus is because Paulie: you can use the money you built up playing roulette to complete the play on slots Paulie: this is why we DO NOT allow any other games on this bonus but Slots wesley: yes but i fullfilled ! wesley: first wesley: after playing roulette wesley: conted agent and lobby showed Paulie: maybe you did but then you cancelled the withdrawal and then requested $2500 wesley: huh? Paulie: instead of the $1500 originally requested wesley: what is wrong with that Paulie: some of the money won on Roulette as used to play slots Paulie: this we do not allow Paulie: it is very wrong wesley: but i already won it so there werent any rules on this jacpot ? Paulie: We do not allow that since we cannot tell how much of the money won on roulette was used to ply more slots wesley: it was mine to keep and i fullfilled Paulie: no wesley: thats is wrong Paulie: because this bonus comes with playthrough requirements Paulie: Again Paulie: as Casino rules wesley: the bonus was not valid anymore Paulie: Craps, baccarat, pontoon 21 and sic bo DO NOT count towards the wagering requirements wesley: because it was completed wesley: very weird dont you think wesley: ? wesley: not very player friendly kinda lose lose situation Paulie: I am sorry you feel that way Paulie: but that is exactly why we do not allow this . wesley: yes i feel very bad because your system is very bad Paulie: We have placed the original dep and bonus in your account Paulie: so you can start from scratch Paulie: please Play Slots only wesley: i was on 7000 paulie wesley: nobody told me a thing when i was playing wesley: all was good wesley: and as far i know this is conclusion wesley: : Paulie: I am sorry but everything is very clear Paulie: I wish you good luck on your deposit and bonus Paulie: hopefully you can build it up again on Slots only wesley: i fullflled wagering for bonus code africa EASILY then i made withdraw and play roulette but then i made withdraw aagin that is my mistake wesley: so u agree conclusion ? wesley: so if i only withdraw and not play roulette nothing was wrong? Paulie: you completed the play on the coupon but you used money from Roulette to complete it Paulie: that is against the casino rules Paulie: Is there anything else that I can help you with? wesley: if i did that you are right but i did not completed it with roulette i fullfilled it with slots BUT OK i guess its of no use Paulie: Good luck Paulie: have a nice day |
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Welcome to the forum Wesley!
Man, that sucks big time, but Goldstream is as rough as it gets, one of the worst places to play as you just found out.. ![]() I'm not sure, but I think its a Crystal Palace Group casino, very bad reputation. I think after reading your story that the comp points you redeemed are the problem here, did you play roulette with the comps? Comp points also have a WR at this casino, and if you played roulette with the comps you violated their T&C's and thats why they confiscated all your winnings. Also, some casino's do not allow playing restricted games AFTER you meet the WR, so to stay on the safe side, NEVER play table games when taking a bonus is the best way to go. Next time, pick a casino from the accredited list here on CM, Aladdins Gold for example is a great RTG, or InetBet.
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Oh, I am so sorry you had such an unhappy experience. Goldstream Casino is part of the old Crystal Palace Group http://www.casinomeister.com/rogue/crystal_palace.php and is infamous for screwing players over.
I'm not sure even if you had saved your earliest chats, they would have honoured the words of their reps. I never do anything to do with money by phone, I want that record. Thanks for sharing your sad experience with us. Hopefully there will be a player or two that learns from your hard lesson. You will find a host of reputable casinos here. I do, however, know that Inetbet (another RTG) does not allow play on restricted games on their coupons even after meeting WR, but this is made quite clear. I always initiate a withdrawal and wait for payment (about 12 hours or less to ewallet) and then redeposit. Think I played at a Rival or two that had a similar rule, but I know that I play casinos where I am permitted to play anything after meeting WRs. At least with the Accredited Casinos here at CM you have access to a dispute mediation service. There is a Pitch-A-Bitch process here, but I don't know if it would do you any good with these clowns. |
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Goldstream claimed it was impossible to tell from the software when wagers were placed (I doubt it ), but if it is an RTG flaw, Inetbet would have it too. Might require a manual review of a player's account.
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Goldstream Casino has to be the absolute stupidest, most idiotic name for a casino I have ever heard!
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FWIW, here's the Rogue Pit (our blacklist): link.
And here's the Acerevenue Casinos page (Rebranded from Crystal Palace Group).
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