casinolive247 bonus problem

[czarmuzz]

i registered with www.casinolive247.com and got the bonus $20 on there terms and conditions it stated that if i sucessfuly use the bonus and bet it a total of 40 times iand make a #40 deposit i can then withdraw the funds so yesterday 15/09/2008 i made the 40x betting and had $250 in avalable funds that can be withdrawn but when i contacted live help they explained that the actual betting playthrough was 80x the bonus which i made this limit late yesterday afternoon so now i had betted a total of 80x the bonus but while i was in chart with support they were changing there terms and conditions pages and they told me this as i was chatting with them they said sir thanx for bringing this to out attention but the betting playthrough as of now is 160x the bonus because australia isnt listed on any bonus hitlists for online casinos

so i said ok i will spend it all in trying to make the 160x bonus
yet again i had a run of good luck
i now got the bonus upto 215x the original bonus i better a total of $4500 and also had $1050 avalable in my account
but then support changed the rules for me again and stated i need to bet the bonus upto $6400 in order to qualify
and as soon as i come close to this new mark they increased it to $8000 minimum playthrough
so i simply told them to shove it and i went max bets on there games and blew the lot of the funds

they are a philipino based casino and i assume they are running some scams to get money and make rules to suit themselves as they wish

i included a few photos of the betting i was doing i habe 12 pages of bets i have done on all of there games

[lauram]

Reading the terms the 20 dollars to try out the caisno is noncashable.
terms for the 20 free is this

4. Bonus money must be wagered 80 times before real money winnings are withdrawn. Prior to making a withdrawal, players must make a real money deposit of at least USD 40 and meet the required play through requirements associated with Casino Live 24/7s 100% Bonus promotion. Please note that players from the following countries must play through their allotted bonus amount 160 times: Bulgaria, Czech Rep., Poland, Sweden, Russia, China, Brazil, Estonia, Finland, Hong Kong, Moldavia, Ukraine, Hungary, Thailand, Singapore, Macau, South Korea, Netherlands, Greece and Taiwan.
Then and only then if you by chance meet the wagering requirements they then ask you to deposit 40 dollars and then that also comes with wagering requirements before you can cash out.

Then to make a withdraw you must deposit 40 dollars and then there is another playthrough that reads.

3. The deposited funds plus the bonus money must be wagered 80 times before a withdrawal can be made. Please note that players from the following countries must play through their deposit amount plus the allotted bonus amount 160 times: Bulgaria, Czech Rep., Poland, Sweden, Russia, China, Brazil, Estonia, Finland, Hong Kong, Moldavia, Ukraine, Hungary, Thailand, Singapore, Macau, South Korea, Netherlands, Greece and Taiwan.

Now if you make a deposit to try and claim anything you won out of the 20 free this has a 80x or 160x playthrough. Im wondering if they took your funds that you put in for cashout and added another 80x or a160x wr on that along with your 40 deposit this is why its so high.

[RobWin]

If I were you and you deposited with a credit card then I would just simply do a charge back on this rogue outfit and close my account there..

[czarmuzz]

me again with a update about www.casinolive247.com
they offer these bonuses and as soon as you reach the playthrough amount required they will update the terms and conditions pages or add clauses into it that makes it impossible to win
whats happened recently is i got there $20 bonus and actualy wagered on roulet and got to the point i wagered it to a total of $4300 in bets and had $1057 in avalable funds then they said i still need to wager this to a total of 400x playthrough because im in australia the more i won the more they increased the play through requirements so eventualy i endedup spending all the funds in trying to reach there new play through requirements

but when they realised all funds are gone they said no sir you only needed to wager to 80x the bonus amount and the live chat represantive was giving me incorrect information and the site operator was actualy uploading the incorrect terms and conditions pages
listed below is actual chat messages between myself and the online live chat

Show Recent Messages (F3)

Steven Murray: weather the wrong programmer put the wrong terms and conditions on the site did it by accident or to try and get out of having to meet the requirements of the bonuses its the casino owners responsibiity to nake sure these terms and conditions are correct as this is a binding contract wetween the 2 partys
Steven Murray: if i broke your rules and cheated you would close my account and i will be under investigations
Steven Murray: this looks so funny i have like 19 different excuses why this has happened now the latest one is someone uploaded the wrong terms and conditions
Steven Murray: all you had ro do was be honest
Steven Murray: but now im getting told lie after lie after lie
casinolive247 casinolive247: hi, nobody has accused you of cheating. and so far nobody is lying. If the CSR member yesterday told you 160 times playthroug, you should be happy to hear that is really 80 times.
casinolive247 casinolive247: I am sorry but I don't really see your problem right now.
Steven Murray: they told me 160 then boosted it to 400
casinolive247 casinolive247: listen it is 80 and nothing else.
casinolive247 casinolive247: I believe I have made this very clear.
Steven Murray: she said i hav to wage $8000 from the bonus
Steven Murray: i calculate this to be 400x
casinolive247 casinolive247: but it is 80 times.
casinolive247 casinolive247: so exactly what is it you want me to do?
Steven Murray: well please tell me why i was informed that i need to wager $8000
Steven Murray: you dont have to do anything
casinolive247 casinolive247: I think I have made that very clear ealier. If she has informed you of anything else, she is wrong and we will talk to her as soon as she reports on duty for shift
Steven Murray: its me that is doing it
casinolive247 casinolive247: you should be happy to hear that it is only 80 times
Steven Murray: she told me $8000 so i spend it all in trying to make it $8000
casinolive247 casinolive247: I tell you what, we will credit you another 20 $ right now as a bouns you can play with
Steven Murray: so she forced me to wager everything in atempting to meet the fake and incorrect information she told me
casinolive247 casinolive247: I tell you what, we will credit you another 20 $ right now as a bouns you can play with
Steven Murray: her exact words was australia isnt a hitlist for bonuses
Steven Murray: no thank you
casinolive247 casinolive247: isn't on the hitlist for the 160 times. It is therefore 80 times only
casinolive247 casinolive247: ok,
Steven Murray: i dont wish to continue i am only letting you know that i am trying to get this company removed for illegal activitiers
Steven Murray: \im sorry im juyst really pissed off
Steven Murray: toy cant cjange the tems pages as soon as someone says they met the term
Steven Murray: ok answer this
Steven Murray: i wahered 215 times the bonus i wagered $4300 i think and had $1050 avalable in the account i was told then that i still needed to wager this ammount from $4300 to $8000
Steven Murray: if you want to credit my account then credit it with the ammount that should have been avalable to withdraw after i wagered $4300 and had $1040 in the account
Steven Murray: ok i will make 1 deal with you
Steven Murray: i wont pursue this anylonger if you advertise on your site that your operators are putting incorrect information on your pages and you remove the $20 bonus offer
Steven Murray: because its a fake offer
Steven Murray: i honestly hope and prey this casino loses its licence have a nice day and goodnight


Steven Murray (9/17/2008 4:08:45 PM): i spebd the remaining $1000 lasynight as i knew i never had any hope of winning on this site and have contacted the australian games and competitions commision and included all the history from the chat i had with support yesterday as soon as i made the betting requirements you changed the terms and conditions which the accc says is unethical and maybe illegal i will wait and see what happens
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 4:08:49 PM): http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post255795
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 4:09:34 PM): here you can see what has happened here i am in process of posting ob several other casino sites to warn people not to play here
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 4:15:13 PM): my casino account name is czarmuzz you can close it if you wish to do so as i will not be making any form of deposit here but hopefully this site will be closed fown
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 4:58:00 PM): nothing to say
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:02:55 PM): we're still waiting to our boss to arrived.
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:03:18 PM): dont bother i dont want amnything more to do with this site
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:05:50 PM): i leaving it with the accc to deal with the matter
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:07:57 PM): if you want my opinion its unethical and illegal to change the terms and conditions as soon as a person meets the requirements you change it i have the chat history from support even telling me they are changing it but this is after i explained i have met the required level of wagering
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:10:12 PM): i am posting this information on every online casino forum and tell your boss to expect to lose alot of playerrs
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:23:18 PM): hi,
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:23:31 PM): lets take it from the top.
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:23:56 PM): the play thru is 80 times.
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:24:07 PM): as you are from australia.
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:24:10 PM): not 160 times.
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:25:28 PM): as of yesterday when you made a withdrawal request you had not reached the 80 times play thru
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:25:47 PM): r u still there?
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:29:25 PM): yes wat
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:29:43 PM): ok. This is Anders.
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:30:06 PM): lastnight live chat told me i need to wager my bonus upto $8000
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:30:16 PM): i got
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:30:29 PM): and explained it 400x bonus play
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:30:32 PM): i am sorry for any misunderstandings.
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:30:36 PM): let me just clarify.
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:30:43 PM): dont worry
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:30:44 PM): there is a 80 times playthru
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:31:00 PM): i was told for me its 400x
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:31:23 PM): i have saved all the corespondences we had
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:31:36 PM): that is absolutely not correct, and I will have a talk with the customer service representative later about that.
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:32:13 PM): Can you please send me a copy on info@casinolive247.com
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:32:16 PM): when i had it to $1050 i was told i need to have wagered $8000 in bets which works out to 400x bonus playthrough
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:32:44 PM): it is 80 times for australia
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:32:50 PM): no more no less.
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:33:04 PM): with the first deposit we give you 100 % bonus.
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:33:26 PM): i had it to 215x bonus and was informed its not the right limit yet its $8000 in bets i need
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:33:47 PM): im not depositing here or am i playing here
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:34:00 PM): you starting amount was the 20 $ bonus correct?
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:34:11 PM): you changed the terms from 40 to 80x while i was in chat with support
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:34:48 PM): even the support person said we are changing the terms right now but this was after i made the original requirement
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:34:56 PM): wait a sec
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:35:29 PM): Steven Murray: i will not deposit my funds yet untill all the rules and conditions are correct Steven Murray: i do like the games you have here atleast the games are live\ Steven Murray: can you tell me what my betting has been upto now Steven Murray: it should be over $2000 casinolive247 casinolive247: for a moment sir, we are just fixing our terms and conditions now Steven Murray: has anyone ever met the requirements of the $8000 from the bonus $20 Steven Murray: ok Steven Murray: thankyou
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:36:34 PM): i have sent the whole history and other things to the casino gaming comission
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:37:15 PM): unfortunately one programmer was updating the site, and place the wrong rules on the site for a short while. It was immediately changed back to the correct one as soon as we realized this mistake.
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:38:04 PM): ok good excuse
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:38:29 PM): not an excuse, but unfortunately correct, which is giving me grey hair
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:38:30 PM): explain this to the comissions when they investigate this
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:38:39 PM): sure
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:39:23 PM): i read that most casinos do these type of things make it impossible for people to win on there sites
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:39:37 PM): we don't change it.
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:39:54 PM): but i know for a fact i worked out i wagered 215x bonus
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:39:55 PM): those regulations have been there for a very long time.
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:40:38 PM): Steven Murray: i played many sic bo and roulete games casinolive247 casinolive247: the minimum playthrough is 6400 Steven Murray: 6400 Steven Murray: i was told 1600 Steven Murray: thankyou Steven Murray: i will bet all on 1 number and just gope i get it Steven Murray: i doubt if anyone has ever made $6400 from the $20
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:40:58 PM): then she changed it to $8000
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:41:45 PM): everytime i come close to the amount they told me they increased it
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:42:33 PM): I think she was talking about the playthrough after you made a deposit, and what it would be
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:42:44 PM): because it will not change and at all.
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:42:55 PM): started at 40x on the site to 80x tthen i was told im from australia and australia isnt listed as a hotlist for bonuses so i have to waxe 160x
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:43:01 PM): As I said for australia it is 80 times.
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:43:13 PM): no sire she said this had to be done prior to depositing
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:43:31 PM): i got told 5 different things
casinolive247 casinolive247 (9/17/2008 5:44:04 PM): i am very happy you bring it to my attention, so we can ensure that mistakes like that will not happen again
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:44:11 PM): anyway the funds are all gonee now i told support i may aswell blow the lot on roulet as i have no hope getting anywhere here
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:44:42 PM): i hope these mistakes dont happen again
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:57:11 PM): ok iplease close my casino account i wont be logging in ever again
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:58:09 PM): and i still 100% sure that you ppl knew exactly what was going on with the terms and conditions been changed
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 5:58:51 PM): i hope you get into trouble for this making people think they are winning and make impossible tasks for them to complete
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 6:00:08 PM): and im still going to post all of this onformation for others not to get cought aswell
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 6:01:50 PM): its your responsibiliyt to make sure correct terms are displayed
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 6:03:18 PM): even with the $6400 plkaythrough i was told that still works out to 320x playthrough
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 6:04:24 PM): see you all later im getting gray hair over this matter too with all the bullshit lies and deceptopn that was given top me
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 6:09:00 PM): i will also suply you all the links to the forums i list on so you can see i am not making anything untrue
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 6:10:05 PM): http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...tml#post255795 this is the first of many
Steven Murray (9/17/2008 6:10:16 PM): have a nice day


Steven Murray: i will not deposit my funds yet untill all the rules and conditions are correct
Steven Murray: i do like the games you have here atleast the games are live\
Steven Murray: can you tell me what my betting has been upto now
Steven Murray: it should be over $2000
casinolive247 casinolive247: for a moment sir, we are just fixing our terms and conditions now
Steven Murray: has anyone ever met the requirements of the $8000 from the bonus $20
Steven Murray: ok
Steven Murray: thankyou
Steven Murray: i will spend this remaining funds on roulett but if i win over the $8000 i will not request a payment as i jnow the rules will go to $16000
casinolive247 casinolive247: actually, some players didn't notice that .
casinolive247 casinolive247: but still theyre have deposits, maybe theyre not reaching to that point
casinolive247 casinolive247: *they
Steven Murray: i notice the play through on your terms now states 80x
Steven Murray: you should make it higher i have already passed this ammount
Steven Murray: that 80x only works out to $1600
Steven Murray: most of my friends and family play online casino
Steven Murray: i have lost faith in these things already
casinolive247 casinolive247: oh dont be.
casinolive247 casinolive247: youve helped us bout this
casinolive247 casinolive247: and were doin it for you and for all of our players as well
Steven Murray: i dont think anyone ever got close to meeting the bonus requirements
Steven Murray: doing what for me
casinolive247 casinolive247: oh isee..
Steven Murray: what game can i spend the whole thousand on in 1 game
casinolive247 casinolive247: in our games?
Steven Murray: yes
casinolive247 casinolive247: actually you can spend it all
Steven Murray: im going to spend it all right now
casinolive247 casinolive247: you know, we are changing it right now
Steven Murray: yes i know only because i met the requirements
casinolive247 casinolive247: i just want to inform you that we are done changing the terms and conditions regarding the 100%bonus and the other promotions
casinolive247 casinolive247: just check it on your internet browser
Steven Murray: ok
casinolive247 casinolive247: we are sorry for the inconvenience. thanks!
Steven Murray: ok
Steven Murray: i probably do the same thing if i gave someone $20 and then they got it to over $1000 i probably try and make it impossible for them to claim it
Steven Murray: i won 118.000 pesos few years ago im holiday inn on slot machine i got flash cash 3 times thats why i thought this would be a great place to play
casinolive247 casinolive247: hmm. do you think ours are not true?
Steven Murray: no i think they are true
Steven Murray: atleast the games are
Steven Murray: maybe not so much the operators
casinolive247 casinolive247: hmm. cant say so.
casinolive247 casinolive247: you know people commit mistakes
Steven Murray: seem bad that they change the terms as soon as someone contacts them to let them know they have met the required betting
Steven Murray: and the
Steven Murray: im sorry
casinolive247 casinolive247: its ok.
Steven Murray: i wont mention this anymore
casinolive247 casinolive247: we are open about your feedbacks about our site
Steven Murray: i just wont ever seposit funds into a computer casino
Steven Murray: no i wont type any feedback
Steven Murray: just take this as a lesson not to deposit funds and just play with play money here
Steven Murray: i play online poker many times with no problem i been playing at titan poker for several months but was losing a bit and thought i will try casino games
Steven Murray: not depositing perra here lol sorry
Steven Murray: walla perra
Steven Murray: im trying to spend this money but it just wont go lol
Steven Murray: probably by now its close to the $8000


Steven Murray: hi
casinolive247 casinolive247: hello
casinolive247 casinolive247: how may i help you?
Steven Murray: your casino girls are magabda
casinolive247 casinolive247: what?
Steven Murray: i was wondering if you can tell me if i have met betting requirements yet
Steven Murray: i meant maganda
casinolive247 casinolive247: what is your username?
Steven Murray: czarmuzz
casinolive247 casinolive247: ok ill chek
casinolive247 casinolive247: for a while
Steven Murray: i started with the $20 you people gave me and i went well on that bonus
Steven Murray: i added all the game logs in betting history in total the bets placed add up to $1243 and currently $574 avalable in my account
Steven Murray: what do they need to total before i am able to withdraw any amount to my neteller account
casinolive247 casinolive247: hi! im sorry for the late response.
Steven Murray: thats ok
casinolive247 casinolive247: as ive checked in our files, at the moment you haven't reached the minimum play through for a withdrawal and also you have no deposit yet at least $40
Steven Murray: what is the minimum play through
Steven Murray: im doing my deposit in few day from now
casinolive247 casinolive247: for the baccarat your total playthrough is 75
casinolive247 casinolive247: ill chek the other two
Steven Murray: i was told that i need to wager $1600 or somthing like this and make a deposit of $40 then i can claim some of the winnings i have
Steven Murray: i played many sic bo and roulete games
casinolive247 casinolive247: the minimum playthrough is 6400
Steven Murray: 6400
Steven Murray: i was told 1600
Steven Murray: thankyou
Steven Murray: i will bet all on 1 number and just gope i get it
Steven Murray: i doubt if anyone has ever made $6400 from the $20

[KasinoKing]

Two things (I have only read chapter 1);
A) When they told you the WR had increased from x80 to x400 why did you carry on playing? That was the time you should have double checked with the casino, and then come here if you couldn't get it sorted. Trying to meet that sort of WR on Roulette is an impossible task - unless you're 'the one' who finally found the way to beat roulette...

B) You should have posted this in Casino Complaints - Bonus issues.

KK

[Rusty]

That sounds pretty grim and what they say does not add up.
Do you have screenshots of T&C's or were you only ever told of WR through chat?
I think once I had met the original WR I would of just made the deposit and then tried to withdraw to see what happened.
If the withdrawal was denied you would have an even stronger case.
When you questioned why the WR was different they gave you different and seemingly spurious answers which would suggest the deception was a deliberate attempt to keep you wagering until you lost it all.
You had a freakish run of fortune that they were not prepared for and they now want to wriggle free from their obligations.
Good luck and thanks for the info.Warning received.

[casinolive247]

I just want to make a reply to the posting of czarmuzz.
1. You have not made any deposits, so you haven't lost any money.
2. The terms and conditions are very clear, as we have said many times. Australia has a playthrough of 80 times and this has not changed.
3. You just chatted with our Customer support and extorted money from us! You informed our support team, that their Boss told you we will pay you money through Neteller. This is absolutely not true! Here is the excerpt from the chat:

czarmuzz: your boss said he was going to credit my netteller account with the original request to make up for the false information i was given by live chat

casinolive247: Excuse me, but he did not promise to give you any money thru neteller.

4. It seems you are just trying to get money out of us so we advice you to stop this practice or we will be forced to report you to the appropriate authorities.

5. We have and are paying out legitimate winnings within 24 hours.

6. Our terms and conditions for our promotions are posted on our site here:
http://www.casinolive247.com/index_e...age=promotions

7. Are you trying to extort us? Here is another excerpt you just send by chat to us:
czarmuzz: im simply going to post the information i have on every casino forum in every country so this dosnt happen to other people
czarmuzz: ok i emaild info again im also finishing a new website that is going to be posted on every online casino site and im every philippino online casino forum
czarmuzz: you need to be stopped and shut down and i am going to make this happen i do not like been made a fool out of and i never back down if im right

8. You didn't loose any money as you didn't make any deposits!

9. We can be contacted on info@casinolive247.com

[chuchu59]

Casinolive247,

If Czarmuzz had, as you stated, extorted money from you in live chat we may well have seen the last of him. However, the fact that a player has not lost any of his deposits is irrelevant if you did not honour winnings on a free chip.

I would also like to know whether the Czarmuzz was told that there is a 160x playthrough as it seems that you have not provided any info on this.

[RobWin]

Casinolive247,

If Czarmuzz had, as you stated, extorted money from you in live chat we may well have seen the last of him. However, the fact that a player has not lost any of his deposits is irrelevant if you did not honour winnings on a free chip.
I would also like to know whether the Czarmuzz was told that there is a 160x playthrough as it seems that you have not provided any info on this.

Yea I agree with Chu here, what was the deal with keeping on raising his wagering requirements ??

Another question, is your casino licensed by any jurisdiction anywhere ?

[casinolive247]

1. It states very clearly it is not 160 times, and at no time did we raise the playthroughs. Playthrough is 80 times. He was informed he is NOT on the list for the 160 times playthrough. As you can see on the screenshots, which he has posted by himself.

2. If he wins on his bouns money that is very good., as he will be telling others.

3. SO why is he now claiming that we promissed to pay him money using Neteller?