I’m sorry if this sounds familiar but I’m guilty of winning

[in2wishion]

I’m sorry if this sounds familiar but I’m guilty of winning, playing European Roulette, at Casino Tropez.

I turned $100 ($50 deposit +$50 bonus) into $5000, bit of a grind since 24th February. Something about wagering requirements of $1200 before I could withdraw. For some reason Roulette did not count towards the requirements.

Is this because it’s easy to win at Roulette and the other games that don’t count? So when I’d “won” $3600, I wagered $1200 on the “Spin A Win” (poor mans roulette) using my technique, only lost $48 because stakes increase in fixed increments with $100 max. Looked forward to spending the $2000 I withdrew. Happy to wait the four business days in case I wanted to “re deposit”. Got a phone call to check my card details, after the four days.

Decided to withdraw another $1000 and got another phone call advising me that my initial deposit would be paid back to my card. “What about the $2000?” “Oh no, you can’t have that because you played Roulette and won with our bonus!”
I’m now “blowing” my balance building complimentary points, $10 on every number every spin = $370.
The max is $15 per number and I back the numbers my method picks for $5 so I can still win.

I wonder if they will still let me convert my complimentary points (10063 @ 100 points =$1) into REAL money?

Should I continue until my balance is zero or just give up?

Expert opinions welcome

[winbig]

I'd contact them and get word directly from the horses mouth on whether or not you can WD comp points. Get it in writing, not over the phone.

As far as the $5k, you might as well forget it. It's clearly in their T&C that roulette is a restricted game, and if you play it, all winnings are voided...

7. Bets placed on all versions of Baccarat, all versions of Roulette, all versions of Sic Bo, all versions of Darts, Heads or Tails, all Video Poker games, Blackjack Switch, Blackjack Surrender, Pontoon, and Craps will not be counted toward wagering requirements. We reserve the right to withhold any amount in excess of the player’s original deposit from a player's withdrawal if the play bonus is wagered on the above mentioned games. Bets placed on Blackjack contribute one third of their original value towards wagering requirements. In other words, the sum of the bets placed on this game is divided by three when calculating wagering.

Why casinos don't allow roulette is beyond me. With a 5% HA they're bound to win money.

[vinylweatherman]

It is because this is a rogue Playtech casino. The rules are designed to prevent you from winning, as the game restrictions make no sense at all. They ALLOW Blackjack, far more "abusive" than roulette for this kind of bonus, and entirely within the terms, but even then, they would find a reason not to pay.

Playing a restricted game with the SUB at a dodgy Playtech is asking for trouble, and only newbies should be making that mistake now.
Forget what you read at those bonus whoring websites, these are old methods, and casinos have known about them for ages, and will void winnings given half a chance. These bonus sites have "vip" sections, and that is where the REAL methods are - although that doesn't mean that casinos don't already know about it.

Microgaming under the "EZBonus" system is best for roulette fans. NO excluded games at most, and often only placing the entire starting balance on red (or black) is going to get your winnigs voided.

NO Roulette system will win forever though, usually they have a small risk of MASSIVE ruin built in, such that 95% of the time you win a little, but the other 5% your losses are HUGE.

[in2wishion]

Thanks for replies
Today my account balances was $50 so I converted the cp into $100.63 and now have $150.63 to play Roulette without wr.Lets see if I can make $5000 again
Watch this space

[bwin]

hi

regarding excluding roulette for meeting wagering requirements:

some casino software allows the player to bet on black and red or odd and even at the same time (aka "even chance wagering" - it is also allowed in most brick and mortar casinos) - so on an European Roulette table you can easily wager a lot of money without running at high risk (the odds to hit a 0 are only ~2,7%) - this in combination with comp points or something similar can end up in a house advantage lower then zero (that's why it works for brick and mortar casinos - they don't have any form of cash back in form of comp points). so it is quite obvious that they as an operator therefore have to exclude Roulette, otherwise they would lose serious money.

I hope this explains the "why" to you :-)

best regards

Benjamin

[Mr_Zoidberg]

Originally Posted by in2wishion

Thanks for replies
Today my account balances was $50 so I converted the cp into $100.63 and now have $150.63 to play Roulette without wr.Lets see if I can make $5000 again
Watch this space

"You cannot beat a roulette table unless you steal money from it." Albert Einstein

[vinylweatherman]

Originally Posted by bwin

hi

regarding excluding roulette for meeting wagering requirements:

some casino software allows the player to bet on black and red or odd and even at the same time (aka "even chance wagering" - it is also allowed in most brick and mortar casinos) - so on an European Roulette table you can easily wager a lot of money without running at high risk (the odds to hit a 0 are only ~2,7%) - this in combination with comp points or something similar can end up in a house advantage lower then zero (that's why it works for brick and mortar casinos - they don't have any form of cash back in form of comp points). so it is quite obvious that they as an operator therefore have to exclude Roulette, otherwise they would lose serious money.

I hope this explains the "why" to you :-)

best regards

Benjamin

This might explain the exclusion from WR, but NOT the voiding of winnings when playing Roulette "properly" with it's 2.7% House edge. To get 100 to 5000 involves aggressive betting on single number spreads.
Even with the game included for WR, the 2.7% house edge will ensure that WR cannot be met before all the bankroll has gone, although it might be possible to beat this certainty by trying a combination strategy involving making few, and very large, even bets (red & black) and hoping zero never shows before WR is complete. because this is a PLAY bonus (non cashable), this would not work on it's own, but would have to begin with a single whole bankroll bet on one colour, or even a field 12 numbers. This will work if the player goes through a number of casinos, half will be busts, but the other half will yield wins enough for an overall profit.

The strategy can be done with Blackjack, provided there is no term restricting big bets, and is similar, one starting bet with whole bankroll, then grinding out WR with many small bets. Only TWO blackjack games are excluded, normal Blackjack only has a weighting, so this could well be within the T & C, but STILL they wouldn't have paid, as they also have the "F U Clause", and would then deny winnings this way.

The best way is to play their slots aggressively, and hope for a decent win, then reduce bets to a minimum and grind out on other slots. Playtech slots tend to be low variance, so a big stake is needed to get a big win, but you are likely to survive the grind after this.

The 5 and 9 line slots seem best for getting the big win, and the video slots, such as Dr Love, great for the grind with the autoplay.

For a 100 bankroll, try 5 or 10 per spin into the likes of Highway Kings or Silver Bullet, or even Golden Tour (5 lines). If you hit a big win, 100 to 200+, you can switch to Dr Love and grind out at 0.20 or 0.40 per spin.
They would have quite a job voiding winnings from slots play, even with an FU clause, and would be considered rogue even for suggesting that one can "abuse" a bonus by playing slots (even though you can at a pinch ).
Do NOT try this in GBP though, unless UK Resident, as they will get you on that, rather than "abusive" slots play.

[in2wishion]

"To get 100 to 5000 involves aggressive betting on single number spreads."
I don't think I did that

[Jufo]

Originally Posted by bwin

hi

regarding excluding roulette for meeting wagering requirements:

some casino software allows the player to bet on black and red or odd and even at the same time (aka "even chance wagering" - it is also allowed in most brick and mortar casinos) - so on an European Roulette table you can easily wager a lot of money without running at high risk (the odds to hit a 0 are only ~2,7%) - this in combination with comp points or something similar can end up in a house advantage lower then zero (that's why it works for brick and mortar casinos - they don't have any form of cash back in form of comp points). so it is quite obvious that they as an operator therefore have to exclude Roulette, otherwise they would lose serious money.

I hope this explains the "why" to you :-)

best regards

Benjamin

That doesn't explain anything. Bets on opposite outcomes could be prohibited separately like many casinos do instead of prohibiting Roulette completely. And since the bonus is non-withdrawable, this strategy in itself would give no winnings anyway. Reputable Playtech casinos state that "restricted games can be played but they do not count towards the wagering requirement", but these rogue casinos take all your winnings if you play a restricted game by mistake.

How difficult is it to program a line of code so that if you go play a restricted game, you would get a pop-up screen warning that all your winnings will be void?

[in2wishion]

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Let battle commence!