Cool Cat Crooks, etc

[Xanthious]

The question is how much you are down altogether. Their simple caluculation is

If {$all depostis - ($payouts+ $current payout)} = <0 , then payout confirmed
else {screw the bugger, and dont pay}

It is a simple equation, which nets big profits obviously, and many losers seem to fall in to it.

If you are playing there, STOP, play at a reputable casino, so that even if you manage to win from a casino, then you know you will enjoy the cash.

Trust me and many othere here,you will be back in few months/days (if your pride doenst take over) and admit to the fact.

But here is the thing. I play about once every other month or so when I'm bored or simply have some down time and see a slots bonus that catches my eye. I think the most I've ever put in was 60 bucks and that was recently and only because the bonus I wanted to use required a minimum deposit of 60 dollars. Id hard pressed to say Ive spent 20% of what they paid me. So your equation is dead in the water in my situation.

I have no clue whats happened with most of these other people. The OP was a perpetrator of his own demise. He first played a game that WAS NOT ALLOWED on the bonus he was using (and win or lose that voids pretty much voids everything) Then, after the rep tried to make good he continued to fire his mouth off and I don't blame RTS one bit for doing what they did. While mistakes were likely made on both sides he played just as big, if not larger, role in not getting anymore than he did. Lets face it RTS is a business and they have rules. The OP broke the rules got a pass on it and continued to kick is own ass.

When and if they ever do wrong by me I will move on. However, they paid me the two grand, they have decent slots bonuses and from my own personal dealings with them I have no reason at all not to trust them anymore than any other online casino out there. If anything seeing as they paid me a large rather large payout I have every reason to trust them more than most if I go by only MY personal dealings.

This isn't to say that that I'm blindly loyal. I greatly prefer live casinos that are governed by laws. In fact, I was extremely weary of not getting paid at first. I mean who wouldn't be when dealing with a largely unregulated business in another country. As a whole I don't trust most online casinos. This is the reason I play very small amounts and not very often. However in their defense the OP is a shining example that everyone who complains isn't always the victim they play themselves out to be. There are a lot of people out there that want something for nothing and it takes very little effort to cause a hell of a fuss. Mix that in with an already underlying mistrust towards online casinos and you can see that there are bound to be people out there abusing this.

To wrap it all up. On the whole I'm up multiple times over what Ive lost at Cool Cat. The OP has nobody to blame but himself. Finally online casinos are shady by nature but everyone who cries foul isn't always the victim. There is always two sides to every story.

[uungy]

Doesnt add up to me. Those transactions are between 2 to 3 months old. and you seem to have alot of transactions for once a month play.

It is strange you come here, and the only posts you have are to say how good these thieves are. Look through the forum here, and all forums around. One person proving a point doesnt in any way cancel out the hundreds who are still waiting for payment

My equation still stands

[Xanthious]

Doesnt add up to me. Those transactions are between 2 to 3 months old. and you seem to have alot of transactions for once a month play.

It is strange you come here, and the only posts you have are to say how good these thieves are. Look through the forum here, and all forums around. One person proving a point doesnt in any way cancel out the hundreds who are still waiting for payment

My equation still stands

First, the oldest of the transactions I listed isn't even 2 months old yet. The reason for the amount of activity is due to the fact I kept cashing out my winnings and reversing it over and over again for a little more than a week. Id have a few spare minutes at work play the slots, cash it out when I'm done then reverse it when I got home at night and play for a bit and so on. I typically will play for more than one sitting on my deposits especially if I win a bit at the start.

Second, I used to work with a guy that as a hobby wrote completely fabricated complaints on the websites of chain restaurants with the hopes of getting free stuff. Often times he'd get 50 bucks, 100 bucks in gift cards for all of the effort it took to write a one paragraph message. Worse to worse he got nothing and all he was out was a couple minutes. Now I'm not saying that all the complaints from these people are bogus but what I am saying is that there are a good many unscrupulous people out there and with the preexisting lynch mob like mentality towards the Virtual group they probably made a very enticing target to people who were looking to cash in on getting something for nothing or just wanted to add fuel to the fire. Then you take into account the people that screwed themselves over like the OP and wanted to place the blame on others rather than admit their own mistakes and well credibility starts becoming an issue.

Lastly and most importantly, I got paid. Beyond anything else thats what I care most about. I'd almost go as far as saying thats all I care about. They have given me no reason not to trust them. When they do I will walk away and find someplace else but that just hasn't happened yet. For all I know they maybe ripping off everyone but me and if thats the case well so be it. All I know is that I went to Walmart and picked up a Moneygram for almost 2000 dollars so for the time being at least I have zero issues with Cool Cat Casino.

[uungy]

Sorry, my mistake about the dates.

Still a month old, and there are 3 pages of transactions!

Not really the point anyway. Are you trying to say CM is fabricating it all up to get $50

Thats an absolute joke. The stories are not written by CM, they are written by other posters. You have only been here a month or so, but trust me, it would take alot more then $5000 to put something up here which is slightly unproven.

You take your money, and run, sayingg things like "as long as they pay me" is thoughtless, as think how many people are having problems, and you still patronize them.

For your records, I also got paid out by shark casino (the same joint), but would never say they are brilliant. Read the forums, take a general rule, then you say if they are reliable or not. DONT GIVE THEM BUSINESS, even if they pay you, the power of a community is, if they dont pay one, no-one plays there, and friends of friedns shouldnt play there until thet ONE person is well taken care of.

If you take it that way, then thats not the ideoligy of a forum community

[winbig]

I have no clue whats happened with most of these other people. The OP was a perpetrator of his own demise. He first played a game that WAS NOT ALLOWED

That's fine and all, but what about the poster that called you out? If you'll search the forum, you'll see the same group (Virtual) took over a year to pay part of a 6 figure win, then completely stiffed him on $50K.

The bottom line here is the fact that they will pick and choose who they want to pay. Have you ever thought of the fact that they're paying you only for the reason that you reverse your cashouts most of the time? Not to sound like an ass, but any [shady] casino would love your type, as you'll lose most of the reverse WD's over the long run. It's in their best interest to keep that type of player in the long run even if it means actually paying them sometimes.

To test this theory, try to not reverse any more withdrawals and see how many of cashouts it takes before they start making up excuses to not pay you.

[debbiek]

I have recently closed accounts at Betroyal, Coolcat and Prism. While I have been paid there in the past, I have found that in the last few months, it's extremely difficult to win at any of these casinos. I used to take their no playthru, no max cashout bonuses. Even with this extra money to wager, I still lost. Their slots used to be looser, but i feel they have tightened them up to unsatisfactory levels.

Additionally, they give you insurance if you lose depending on the initial deposit. I have also lost the insurance due to the tightness of the slots. I closed accounts because at this point, i don't believe they are offering a fair game and baiting you with the bonus money.

The last thing I would say is that I was a customer of Betroyal for many years even when it was playtech. I can definitely tell when something isn't right with their games, and it definitely isn't right now.