[IN PROGRESS] Luckyacecasino - bonus "abuse" problem

[swestland]

I feel like i'm the only one just getting totally ignored by these people. Please, are there any further updates as to what is going on. Despite numerous emails, submitted and threatened complaints, telephone calls and live chats I have nothing! Haven't even responded to me since 30/01/08.

Plan to call 888 tomor for all the good it'll do me

Yes I did and finally today I received the message that my $600 will be transfered to my neteller! Finally!

[maxd]

Sorry, but it's just hard to believe that they singled you out to be paid when so many others haven't ....

I don't mean to be contrary but I've received PMs and emails from a few players now (3, or 4?) telling me the same thing. There does seem to be a new will at LA/888 to clear some of this mess up.

On that note, I have a wee favour to ask of those who did the PAB thing:

If you receive your monies AND you had done a PAB AND you haven't already let me know that you've been paid
then could you please drop me a PM telling me things are cleared up for you so I can close the PAB.

Of course I can cross-reference between this thread and the PABs to figure this out myself but if you PM me it'll save me time and bother.

(I know some of you have already PM'd me thusly. Thanks for that.)

[winbig]

I don't mean to be contrary but I've received PMs and emails from a few players now (3, or 4?) telling me the same thing. There does seem to be a new will at LA/888 to clear some of this mess up.

That's good news...

I just never saw any posts from anyone that's been paid until now. Sorry if I missed any, but with this thread at 29 pages now, it's hard to keep up

[maxd]

No worries, same here.

[Casinomeister]

Apparently Maxd and this site has a substantial interest in future affiliate money. Otherwise calling yourself "Casino Watchdog" while being content if winning players are just refunded their initial deposits is plain ridiculous....Consider my PAB "solved" - since LAC's gracious refund has arrived.

I'll consider your PAB "DISCARDED" and don't bother submitting another one - ever.

[WD2810]

Sorry, but it's just hard to believe that they singled you out to be paid when so many others haven't, and they didn't break the T&C either.

I'm sorry you don't believe me, but it's the God's honest truth. I did have an account at casino-on-net as well, but busted there 2 hands after making a deposit. Also at LuckyAce I made pretty sizeable bets so it may have looked less like I'm just taking advantage of the bonus. These may have been factors why I didn't receive any of the crap others have, or just random luck.

Here's the relevant screenshot of my credit card statement online:



The datestamp is 03.02.2008 but today was the day when it arrived on my card.

[Casinomeister]

Funny how http://luckyacescasino.com/ redirects to Cool Cat Casino

[maxd]

I'm sorry you don't believe me, but it's the God's honest truth.

Don't worry WD, winbig was just exercising healthy skepticism, and wasn't privy to that fact that a few payouts had actually come through.

In a case like yours -- first post, saying good things about a casino that everyone else has had probs with -- it's natural for old hands like winbig to look slightly askance at what you're saying. They just want to determine that it's legit, and not some shill from or paid by the casino to pretend they're getting great service when the real players are getting abused.

[vinylweatherman]

What a load of crap.


More crap - and it's double - triple crap since this is the same person.

Bye guy.
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/forum_rules.php

1.9 - Do not register an account fraudulently. Fraudulent accounts are defined as accounts created specifically to flame others (hiding behind a mask of anonymity), or accounts opened primarily to spam the board or to act as shills. Do not register more than one account in the forum. Additional accounts will be deemed as bogus, and you may find yourself out on the sidewalk lying on your back staring at the stars.

Well, I was able to track down who "fender1" was. I passed this over to Max. At the time, he (she?) was running a "bonus whoring" website & forum on "websitetoolbox". This seemed to be the forum section of the "Online Blackjack Guide", a website promoting Blackjack friendly SUB's and Monthly reloads. This site had been promoting Lucky Ace due to it's +EV SUB with Blackjack allowed. When this problem broke, players from that site were not getting paid, however, there were no actual terms and conditions at Lucky Ace that would prohibit the low stakes grinding out of WR that is promoted by this site. It seemed to me that Fender1 had come here seeking views and help, and to publicise the problems.

Clearly, Kamay went on a spamming offensive to persuade affiliates to promote their new Lucky Ace brand, and some affiliates mentioned here that kamay simply would not take "NO" for an answer, and flooded reluctant affiliates with up to 6 requests to promote them per day, often seeming to come from different "persons" within the organisations.
With this in mind, is it any wonder that Kamay and Lucky Ace found themselves in this situation, as it is very likely that mainly those affiliates that ran "whoring" sites would be the ones receptive to the spamming onslaught, since they would be able to make money themselves, and market an "easy" SUB to players.
The result of this seems to be that Lucky Ace has primarily found itself saddled with "advantage players", who have played Blackjack, and WITHIN THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS, but mainly in order to extract the +EV from the SUB (this is probably what Lucky ace are seeing as "bonus abuse").
Because of this healthy +EV, player fraud was bound to follow, with players seeking to have more than one go at this SUB. They may have made the mistake of using the affiliate links again to create their second or more bogus accounts, and were possibly caught by a method similar to that employed by Bryan to finally expose Fender1 as having created TWO accounts here in order to post to himself in this thread.

IF Fender1, who is down as "staff" on his website forum, was prepared to create a bogus account here to further his cause, this must cast doubt to the honesty of his own website and forum, and particularly to what constitutes the "advanced methods" contained within the password protected VIP section of the forum. Perhaps these "advanced methods" relate not to game strategy, but to activities that might cross the line between "advantage play" and "player fraud" - perhaps schemes that advocate the "borrowing" of a friend's ID for a fee in order to play the SUB more than once - perhaps deemed "advantage play" because the ID is borrowed with the full agreement with the owner, rather than having been stolen as in more traditional forms of ID theft and misuse.

It might be interesting to see what Fender1 is now saying about Casinomeister, Bryan, and Max over at his place now, and maybe what he has to say about ME if he happens to read this thread again

[maxd]

It might be interesting to see what Fender1 is now saying about Casinomeister, Bryan, and Max over at his place now, and maybe what he has to say about ME if he happens to read this thread again

Doubtless it'll be complimentary ... and I might even get that apology he/she owes me from early on in this (now monster) thread. Ya think?