Screen Shots that Suck!

[purpletin]

So near yet so far.

[Simmo!]

So near yet so far.

I'd forgotten all about that Thunderstruck clone It's been a good couple of years since I played that one but I used to find it lucky.

[tennis_balls]

These have to take the cake. Total payout for ALL 75 free spins: ~$50.

that's enough to give a guy a nasty case of gerd!

[thetic]

Just noticed that the discard (5 Diamonds) was thrown back into the pack here, that's one less chance to get the Royal than you should have had if they didn't do their bit for the environment by recycling!

[winbig]

Just noticed that the discard (5 Diamonds) was thrown back into the pack here, that's one less chance to get the Royal than you should have had if they didn't do their bit for the environment by recycling!

???

I think you're getting 2 shots mixed up....

[thetic]

???

I think you're getting 2 shots mixed up....

Not sure where you're coming from winbig!

What I am meaning is if you look at bottom left of screen just above the player info you see the 5 of diamonds. This is the 1 card that was discarded before the DRAW. You will see that in the bottom left of the 9 smaller hands dealt after the draw the 5 of diamonds has reappeared again!

Apologies if I have misunderstood original screenshot or your reply winbig.

[Simmo!]

Just noticed that the discard (5 Diamonds) was thrown back into the pack here, that's one less chance to get the Royal than you should have had if they didn't do their bit for the environment by recycling!

Yeah this is the biggest drawback of Crypto multi-hand VP. The re-inclusion of discarded cards, despite the small reward each time one reappears as indicated in the bottom left hand corner (misrepresented as a "bonus" award!!), increases the house edge significantly and is a totally crap way of doing it with no player advantages IMO.

Although that said, I have to say that I think the "feel" of how their VP works is the best out there. But for odds, you are far better off with Microgaming VP as a generalisation.

[gerilege]

Yeah this is the biggest drawback of Crypto multi-hand VP. The re-inclusion of discarded cards, despite the small reward each time one reappears as indicated in the bottom left hand corner (misrepresented as a "bonus" award!!), increases the house edge significantly and is a totally crap way of doing it with no player advantages IMO.

Is it only valid for multihand-VP of Crypto?
Do you know which sw providers re-include discarded cards, and in which games?
Could you please give a brief estimation about the effect on the house edge?

[hbears341]

Ugghhhh!!

[Simmo!]

Is it only valid for multihand-VP of Crypto?
Do you know which sw providers re-include discarded cards, and in which games?
Could you please give a brief estimation about the effect on the house edge?

Yes it's only multihand if memory serves.

I think it's just Crypto who do this. Initially they had alternative versions so you could pick if you wanted the "standard" game or this variety. Then (at Intercasino at least) they ditched the original around the same time they "upgraded" the paytable for Double Bonus! That's another story!

Okay I'm no math wizard so others can correct me but at a guess, if for example you keep 2 cards and discard 3 then the house edge would increase by approximately 3/50ths (very approximate) or 6%. However factor in the small "bonus" (woohoo!) award and I imagine that at least halves it. I'd guess it adds about 1% to the house edge. A pure guess.