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How to blow 5K in one evening...

Being honest - are you winning or losing in the long run?

  • Winning, I can quit my job and live by this!

    Votes: 29 22.5%
  • Break even

    Votes: 16 12.4%
  • Just for fun, lose some but its for fun

    Votes: 31 24.0%
  • Losing, hoping to get the big win while I keep digging my grave...

    Votes: 53 41.1%

  • Total voters
    129
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Well, this was the day I though was gonna be sweet and nice, instead it
turned out to be a real crappy day in the end. It started nice, but ended
with blowing 5K, a real crash and burn. Was I unlucky? Sure. Did I play
foolish? Sure! Did I get terrible wins on bonus spins! Sure!

To go through some of this terrible results, I would first start by mentioning I had been
testing ladies nite and tally ho past days on penny-spinning, to get the feeling on how
many spins it would take to get the bonus. (BAD MISTAKE PEOPLE! DONT THINK ABOUT IT!).
You all know the numbers, around 130-150 on ladies nite and the others. So I desided
to start my session of $500 with the goal of upping to a $1000 and say goodnite.

We start ladies nite with 25 spins of 0.54, no bonus nice!
We continue with 25 spins of $5.40, no bonus - kinda nice!
We then continue with 51 spins on $45, still no bonus - kinda sucks!

At this point we are down $303.

Then we continue with 62 spins of $11.25, still no buns - this sucks!

Now we are down $626, and no real win has appeared on the reals. My mind is telling me,
isnt it typical than when wagering $0.36 you seem to get the freespins all the time,
and even with re-triggers multiple times... But when playing high the store is different...

We now have 153 worth of spins, and there is no reason to back of now! The dreaded 900
spins without bonus cant come now - just because I wager high...

We up the ante with 18 spins of $22.5 wagering, no bonus.
We up the ante with 64 spins of $45 wagering, still no bonus.

Now the loss is up to $2561 and it starts to smell bigtime failure! We are now 235 spins
in the game, and I loose faith in getting freespins so I lower the wager to $9.

It then goes 43 spins on $9 and the bonus appears, and pays $363, which isnt presisely great.

All in all, Ladies nite session : -$2.316

I also spinned 23 $45'ers on Spring break, which was a killer. Kombined with a few
$22.5 and some $11.25 total result : -$1.537

At this point I had no nerves in playing highroller on Tally HO! and sticked to $9 spins,
hoping to get something. Atleast the payout was 80% so I didn't loose more than $200 on
this one.

Then there was some here and there, but the wors results by far has to be Loaded and Harveys.

So, here is what happends!

We play Loaded on $25 wagering, and luckily we get the bonus with 4 hands, payout : $671
We play Harveys on $25 wagering, and luckily we get the bonus, payout : $80

Conclusion : it's better wagering $5 after all!

Then I got the bonus on Kathmandu with $18 wagering, giving $590. This isn't excactly
good in my opinion either, since the least you get on Kathmandu is x2 during freespins
- and 18x2 = $36 x 15 spins = $540. So we got abit over 1:1 looking at it this way.
But I shouldn't complain, at this moment I am 5K down in deposits and the light at
the end of the tunnel is gone a long time ago.

Then we blew the lot on Springbreak with the $45 spins mentioned above and 5K was gone!

So the point of all of this, if you play high - deside one and one only machine to do
it on, since when the machines deside to be bad - their all bad it seems.
Wagering $45 tricking your brain in believing that if you get the bonus, it will be
5 times bigger than a $9 bonus just doesnt work in real life. Going for the big wins
is really scary!

All in all, this is one of the worst days in a long long time folks! It's time to
quit gambling for good!
 
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Two things...

Firstly, been there mate. Nights like that are a real downer... That's slots for you! The big wins mean that, unfortunately, there's a lot of nothings too! You really can hit a bad patch like that on the slots, and the house edge means that as soon as you start chasing losses, more often than not - game over.

Secondly, where can I play Ladies Nite at £90 a spin!!!???

Actually, thinking about it, best not tell me! :eek2:
 
Slotster! said:
Secondly, where can I play Ladies Nite at 90 a spin!!!???

Hey and thanks for your comments! I read through my posts and corrected some errors here and there, so now atleast its double checked and correct!

Wow, getting freespins on $45 must be magic. 15 spins of $135 worth! However, Im kinda glad I didn't get them, since if I got them I probably would have had a lousy payout and felt more terrible. Or even worse, the last springbreak spins paying 5K... This would infact mean that it would be more than OK starting with 5K to play for each nite, since it can easily be recovered... NOT!

I need a beer, or ten...
 
Geez, sorry to hear about that streak :(

Harveys, Loaded and Wheel of Wealth Special Edition have all been stingy as hell the last two days. Bonuses were few and far between and when they came they paid out poorly in general. I probably dropped about $2000 myself... and that was almost ALL at low levels...

Needless to say I am going to spend the rest of this week working my ass off.

Oh and I forgot - this was spread out evenly over four casinos, two of which are very highly recommended and I love to death... and also, two days ago these same slots were hotter than hell, I cashed out $1700 in profits from two of those four casinos.
 
tesla said:
I don't understand the poll, everyone loses in the long run with gambling.

My point with the poll is yes, everyone looses in the end, but some people have the mind and will in never playing more than they can afford. People like me loose their heads here and there, and it kan be hard surviving such falls...

Hope this makes the poll abit easier to understand, though I should have used more time in carving the alternatives, :D
 
Quite

All we need is a lucky streak that can make the difference in a single day. My "weakness" is tournaments, and 3 card poker. Sometimes I overplay after a lucky hit, and often the luck has gone, although sometimes the luck continues. Sometimes I win too much too fast and tend to play in poor value tournaments just to get to the top. After over a year I am playing less of the poor value tournaments (many may note my absence from the Casino Action scoreboards of late). I like bonuses, particularly good ones for loyal players. Joining a casino just to skim a few quid from the sign-up is not really worth the bother. I will join if I believe there is a good ongoing programme, and if the programme disappoints I will uninstall the casino.

Jackpot Factory, despite the constant cockups on my account, have retained my loyalty because they have a varied programme of events for all levels of play, as well as modest, but regular, VIP bonus events (not all simply deposit bonuses). Occasionally, as now, they do the "biggie", and I get well & truly stuck in. Currently I am taking a pot at this year's St Patrick's day tournament. The top prize is the biggest yet, some 2500, and the other top prizes are good too! Better still, these prizes are "proper" prizes, carrying a modest 5x WR on all games except the standard Craps, Roulette & Blackjack exclusions. It is also possible to play more than one event over a weekend.
Although down overall, this is due SOLELY to the Casino Action group, and demonstrates the long term effect of harsh T & C, and persistently poor value events. If I look at the other casinos, I am slightly ahead, although the variations are huge, ranging from -30,000 down all the way to some 38,000 ahead. This shows that variation between casinos is large, and I have a few that are permanently unlucky, and a couple that seem to do better.

If I had begun playing with more knowledge, I would probably be well ahead, as I would have been able to exclude many more of the bad streaks to make up for when stopping earlier would have lost me a decent win.

I have also found that a spell of good luck on a game when first played can lead to poor performance later, as it gives a misleading impression as to what to expect. 3 Card poker is a case in point. Due to a cluster of good sessions I got to believe this was a great game, however I have now had so many poor sessions that my view has changed, but I have cancelled out all the good results.

I find it hard to believe so many claim to be doing so well they can quit their job. Is this due to steady and consistent play, or a small number of extremely lucky events that make all the difference.

I am probably due a second pat Royal soon, as I have had a few pat straight flushes since the last, and one in 9 should be a straight royal, but the variance is huge, I could wait forever, or get another today:D (Some hope!).
 
I picked break even ... only because it would be kind of foolish (in my personal and highly subjective opinion) to think I could quit my job to gamble online.

And by "gamble," I mean casino games and not poker. I suck about as bad at poker as I do at sports betting. :D

However, online gambling has been lucrative enough for me over the past three years to not regret a bit of my losses.

So, break even it is ... :thumbsup:
 
Could one of the moderators please fix the spelling, it should be "losing", not "loosing"? Sorry, but this is one of things that I find really irritating.
 
kimss said:
My point with the poll is yes, everyone looses in the end, but some people have the mind and will in never playing more than they can afford. People like me loose their heads here and there, and it kan be hard surviving such falls...

Hope this makes the poll abit easier to understand, though I should have used more time in carving the alternatives, :D
Yes you should!
Just like GrandMaster's dislike of mis-spelling (something that I find irritating too (not with you kimss, as I guess English is not your first language)) I get narked when someone does a poll without considering ALL the possibilities!

I had to choose option 1 - because I do always win.
But no way could I ever live on my winnings (I wish!)

As to your slots 'experiment' - I think you started out all wrong:
You know the Ladies feature averages 130-150 spins, so why did you start upping your bets every 25 spins?
I would have kept at the starting level for at least 100 spins, and only then start upping it.
If the feature hit during those 100 spins - so what? Just start another 100 spins from scratch.

I can only dream of wagering at the levels you guys do, but for now I'm happy low-rolling myself a nice extra income! :cool:
 
tesla said:
I don't understand the poll, everyone loses in the long run with gambling.

No true, there are a number of professional gamblers who win in the long run, at land-based casinos and online casinos.
 
GrandMaster said:
Could one of the moderators please fix the spelling, it should be "losing", not "loosing"? Sorry, but this is one of things that I find really irritating.

:)

The one that gets me is the Yanks infuriating use of the expression "couldn't care less" in the positive - "I could care less what you think" etc.

I notice Bryan doesn't make this mistake. Must be his close proximity to the UK...
 
caruso said:
The one that gets me is the Yanks infuriating use of the expression "couldn't care less" in the positive - "I could care less what you think" etc.

I notice Bryan doesn't make this mistake. Must be his close proximity to the UK...

I'm going off-topic for a minute here, so forgive me ...

The funniest thing I ever heard about American idiom (one I use myself) was a teenager in front of a criminal court judge here in the town I currently live in. The judge was lecturing him about his actions and he said "my bad" to her.

For those of you unfamiliar with that, "my bad" is a slang expression that basically means "I'm sorry."

The judge didn't understand that, thinking he meant he was bad. So she says, "No, you're a good person, but ..." and he starts saying "my bad" again. And she's back to "No, what I mean is ..." and it's his turn to say "my bad" ...

From what I hear, this hilarious circle went around for a few minutes until the teenager's lawyer finally stepped in and said "Your Honor, he's just trying to say he's sorry." :D

P.S. And I hate the loose and lose problem, too ... I just let it go this time and saved it for my college English students when they do it. :thumbsup:
 
Contemplating how far down the hole I am is a thought I'd rather not entertain. Gambling is my weakness. I can zoom down a freeway at breakneck speeds or do other stupid stuff & don't even break a sweat.
Put me in a casino and I'm like a kid in a candy store.

On a loose estimate I'd have a couple of Ferrari's and other exotics by now. Sure I've won a sh#t load of cash over the years, but in comparison I've spent a damn side more. My lows are pitiful but my winning highs, WoW!

If I could only find another activity that would provide the same adrenaline rushes. Suggestions are welcome :D
 
Trezz said:
If I could only find another activity that would provide the same adrenaline rushes. Suggestions are welcome :D

You don't really want me to answer that do you? :D ;)

On a more serious note, by all means the "rush" you get when you win is the biggest problem for gamblers. Unfortunately, the biggest problem occurs when your brain over time needs a "bigger rush" just to achieve the same level of high. And I guess in some people it can eventually reach the point where it just can't be satisfied, and that is scary.
 
Pinababy69 said:
You don't really want me to answer that do you? :D ;)

On a more serious note, by all means the "rush" you get when you win is the biggest problem for gamblers. Unfortunately, the biggest problem occurs when your brain over time needs a "bigger rush" just to achieve the same level of high. And I guess in some people it can eventually reach the point where it just can't be satisfied, and that is scary.

Personally, I enjoy the perks I receive, and although I travel frequently to various casino locations, need not spend an inordinate amount of time gambling. THAT being said, I can easily lose $5000 in an hour, or win $1800 in five minutes (both of which has happened), but one must take the good with the bad.... :)
 
Originally Posted by Trezz
If I could only find another activity that would provide the same adrenaline rushes. Suggestions are welcome.


Reminds me of the movie "Owning Mahoney" . At the start of the movie he's in a room with a counselor, and he's asked "On a scale of 1 to 10, what is the thrill you get when you gamble? Mahoney says 10. He is then asked, "On a scale of 1 to 10, what is the biggest thrill you've gotten outside of gambling?" Mahoney says something like 6. He then asks Mahoney if he thinks he could live the rest of his life knowing he will never exceed a high of "6" .
 
God Tim, I loved that movie!! I didn't know anyone besides me had watched it, lol. Phillip Seymour Hoffman did such an amazing job. A must see for anyone who thinks they may have a gambling problem, or for any gambler period.
 
Pinababy69 said:
You don't really want me to answer that do you? :D ;)
Even horizontal folk dancing :D doesn't make the grade. :(

Pinababy69 said:
On a more serious note, by all means the "rush" you get when you win is the biggest problem for gamblers. Unfortunately, the biggest problem occurs when your brain over time needs a "bigger rush" just to achieve the same level of high. And I guess in some people it can eventually reach the point where it just can't be satisfied, and that is scary.

Can absolutely 100% indentify with the "bigger rush" feeling, which unfortunately mean wagering larger bets, and it climbs from there.

Fortunately I've cut right back well in most cases I've taken back self control. But if I'm having a good streak I've found it so easy for good sense to float out the window and it's that hell for leather mentality that kicks back in.

These days I try to to bet no more than 90 cents a spin and then cut that back to 45cents if I'm losing and so on. I still get that rush even on small wagers which I'm really thankful for.
 
tim5ny said:
Reminds me of the movie "Owning Mahoney" . At the start of the movie he's in a room with a counselor, and he's asked "On a scale of 1 to 10, what is the thrill you get when you gamble? Mahoney says 10. He is then asked, "On a scale of 1 to 10, what is the biggest thrill you've gotten outside of gambling?" Mahoney says something like 6. He then asks Mahoney if he thinks he could live the rest of his life knowing he will never exceed a high of "6" .

Can so understand that. It's that rush, I'm ten foot tall and bullet proof. If I was asked the same question as Mahoney knowing I'd never exceed a 6, that thought simply depresses the sh#t out of me.

I'm going to see if I can grab a copy of that movie, thanks Tim :thumbsup:
 
Well, all I can say is thank God that I do enjoy other things that provide a rush higher than "6" for me. My daughter for one...the company of close friends, an unexpected phone call or email from a loved one, a great meal, a great movie or a ride on a rollercoaster. Sometimes something as simple as sitting outside with the sun beating down, sipping a nice blender drink and relaxing does it for me....maybe that doesn't qualify as a rush, but to me just as satisfying.

And Trezz....horizontal folk dancing...lmfaoooo. I feel bad for ya, because that is quite simply one of life's greatest pleasures. :)

You know what I find disturbing is that almost half of all respondents thus far have chosen the last option...and profess to be digging their own grave. :eek2: Isn't it too bad that there wasn't a little switch inside our brains to turn off that addiction/pleasure centre when needed?
 
Pinababy69 said:
God Tim, I loved that movie!! I didn't know anyone besides me had watched it, lol. Phillip Seymour Hoffman did such an amazing job. A must see for anyone who thinks they may have a gambling problem, or for any gambler period.

Mahoney's just another one of those crazy Canadians Pinababy! ;)

Anyway, if it makes you feel any better, I did the "5K-in-a-day" trip to hell before too!
 
tim5ny said:
Mahoney's just another one of those crazy Canadians Pinababy! ;)

Hey!!! You talking to me? Who you calling crazy? :D

Why I oughta.....
 
Pinababy69 said:
Well, all I can say is thank God that I do enjoy other things that provide a rush higher than "6" for me. My daughter for one...the company of close friends, an unexpected phone call or email from a loved one, a great meal, a great movie or a ride on a rollercoaster. Sometimes something as simple as sitting outside with the sun beating down, sipping a nice blender drink and relaxing does it for me....maybe that doesn't qualify as a rush, but to me just as satisfying.

Well you are definately fortunate Pina.

Pinababy69 said:
And Trezz....horizontal folk dancing...lmfaoooo.

Your welcome :D

Pinababy69 said:
I feel bad for ya, because that is quite simply one of life's greatest pleasures. :)

Don't, my partner and I are totally into each other, and the rest is a pearler too ;)

Pinababy69 said:
You know what I find disturbing is that almost half of all respondents thus far have chosen the last option...and profess to be digging their own grave. :eek2: Isn't it too bad that there wasn't a little switch inside our brains to turn off that addiction/pleasure centre when needed?

Agreed it is distrubing, so are the stats for divorce too. From my perspective there are a lot worse things in life. Then again my opinion could be some what tilted based on my gambling issues.

Pinababy69 said:
2: Isn't it too bad that there wasn't a little switch inside our brains to turn off that addiction/pleasure centre when needed?

You mean like the switch the casinos use? :p
 
Trezz said:
Contemplating how far down the hole I am is a thought I'd rather not entertain. Gambling is my weakness. I can zoom down a freeway at breakneck speeds or do other stupid stuff & don't even break a sweat.
Put me in a casino and I'm like a kid in a candy store.

You said it, I have that exact same problem. Bungee jumping and roller coasters I find as a good compensation.

I havnt had that many great wins really, however I've had that steady loss past 18 years, so I see your Ferrari point without any problems.

Somne of us needs a freakin' hobby!
 
dickens1298 said:
Personally, I enjoy the perks I receive, and although I travel frequently to various casino locations, need not spend an inordinate amount of time gambling. THAT being said, I can easily lose $5000 in an hour, or win $1800 in five minutes (both of which has happened), but one must take the good with the bad.... :)

I agree, but I must point out here that my biggest win ever - believe it or not, is $4.000. That was the nite I got that Spring Break $4600 win. And bare in mind, if I deposit $1.000 and pull out $2.000 I won $1.000 in that session.

So I wish I could agree with you. I would also like to add that in Norway where I come from, most machines doesnt have that high payouts. So while you are able to loose $1.500 quite easilly the jackpot is usually $400. Norwegian gambling laws sucks. So my point is, had I been playing real casinoes since I was 18 - Im sure I would have had much more huge wins to show for aswell. In the net-casinoes I've had $1800 wins here and there, but usually they have just gotten me back on deposit-track if you know what I mean.

My bottom line is 12K below on one casino after last nite, and 1-3K below on all the others. So no + for me!
 
Very vague Cashcheck figures from four or five online casino's I've used in the past couple of years.

These are very rough, but running through them all and quickly adding up I get an overall of:

Total Deposited: 204,000
Total Withdrawals: 158,000
Difference: -46,000

I'm up at two casino's out of six, but to be fair, only ever really play at 32RED anymore.

Uninstalled my Crypto's, but I'm pretty sure I'm not a lot down at them or maybe ever so slightly up...

It's important to note I'd never deposit anywhere near that if I hadn't hit some nice wins too, so it's a bit distorted in terms of a normal 'bankroll'. I.e I couldn't dream of depositing 204,000 over a two year period if that makes sense? The figure of 46,000 or 23,000 a year losses seems more accurate. Sickening, but more accurate in terms of 'affordable gambling spend'.

So there we go. I'd say down overall. By a mile. And that's taking some phenomenal slots hits into account!... Let that be a lesson to us all!!!!! :D
 
Mousey musings.....

Well, Kimss... I know this doesn't help you feel better, but your post did console me a bit. Why? I had begun to get this little feeling that I've been losing so badly because maybe, just maybe, I'm not depositing in large enough increments. In other words, I was beginning to think that maybe I should be depositing more than the (very low) limits I have set for myself, and then some hits would come. Taking your post into consideration, and the fact that I blew through $500 last night in minutes at below $5 bets on VP and slots, has confirmed to me that it matters not one bit how much I deposit or what games I play. When Luck has turned sour, gambling will gobble up thousands as heartlessly as she gobbles up twenties or hundreds.

I have a separate bankroll for land based gambling. Have I faired any better there? Monetarily, not really. We only get to do a 3 day gambling trip 3 or 4 times a year. However, it's a nice, cheap vacation (I set strict limits on my gambling in land based casinos, too) -- I haven't paid for rooms (sometimes suites) or meals in years.

I have enjoyed online gambling. I recycle my winnings. For almost 3 years I held my own, never losing great chunks before winning some of it back. That was until about this time last year when things really started to go downhill. Video Poker got began to eat me alive. Used slots bonuses, managed to make a slight recovery, and now, for months I've been scraping and scratching out meager withdrawals which provide the next few deposits. Recently, I find gambling online is not as much fun as it once was. When the NETeller goes completely dry with no casino withdrawals pending to go back in it... Then it's going to be time for a serious decision as to just how much I enjoy online gambling and just how much it's worth to me.
 
Mousey said:
When the NETeller goes completely dry with no casino withdrawals pending to go back in it... Then it's going to be time for a serious decision as to just how much I enjoy online gambling and just how much it's worth to me.
That's a scary thought! :eek:
I haven't deposited into Neteller since 2002!
 
Slotster! said:
These are very rough, but running through them all and quickly adding up I get an overall of:

Total Deposited: 204,000
Total Withdrawals: 158,000
Difference: -46,000

Jesus frigging Christ Almighty.

Is gambling entertainment worth 23,000 a year to you????? This is close to an average salary! After tax it's probably MORE than an average salary.

I cannot begin to start out on the pathway to comprehending this mentality. You could drink and smoke yourself silly and go to the theatre every day of the week - and still not spend 2000 a month. Absolutely gobsmackingly spectacular.

I can only assume you're very wealthy.
 
In retrospect, what a good thread this turned into:

kimss said:
Well, this was the day I though was gonna be sweet and nice, instead it turned out to be a real crappy day in the end. It started nice, but ended with blowing 5K, a real crash and burn. Was I unlucky? Sure. Did I play
foolish? Sure! Did I get terrible wins on bonus spins! Sure!

All in all, this is one of the worst days in a long long time folks! It's time to
quit gambling for good!

Trezz said:
Contemplating how far down the hole I am is a thought I'd rather not entertain. Gambling is my weakness. On a loose estimate I'd have a couple of Ferrari's and other exotics by now.

kimss said:
You said it, I have that exact same problem. Bungee jumping and roller coasters I find as a good compensation...my bottom line is 12K below on one casino after last nite, and 1-3K below on all the others. So no + for me!

Slotster! said:
These are very rough, but running through them all and quickly adding up I get an overall of:

Total Deposited: £204,000
Total Withdrawals: £158,000
Difference: -£46,000

Mousey said:
I had begun to get this little feeling that I've been losing so badly because maybe, just maybe, I'm not depositing in large enough increments...Taking your post into consideration, and the fact that I blew through $500 last night in minutes at below $5 bets on VP and slots, has confirmed to me that it matters not one bit how much I deposit or what games I play...For almost 3 years I held my own, never losing great chunks before winning some of it back. That was until about this time last year when things really started to go downhill. Video Poker began to eat me alive. Used slots bonuses, managed to make a slight recovery, and now, for months I've been scraping and scratching out meager withdrawals which provide the next few deposits. Recently, I find gambling online is not as much fun as it once was. When the NETeller goes completely dry with no casino withdrawals pending to go back in it... Then it's going to be time for a serious decision as to just how much I enjoy online gambling and just how much it's worth to me.

If I could ban gambling, or any aspect of it, I would. Gambling's served me OK the few years I've done it, but the downside, as evinced by the above quotes, are too great. Gambling is bad news.
 
Thanks for your honesty Slotster! Many others I'm sure are way ahead of you in the loss catagory but are too proud to air it in public. Let this be a lesson to us all that things aren't always what they "appear" to be. Many times I have scanned the Winner's Screenshot thread and said to myself "If I only had Slotster's luck!" I know you've tried to tell people over and over that there's alot of losing between those huge wins, but we sometimes forget to take that into account because we only see the beautiful screenshots with that huge payout figure on the bottom right of the screen. One thing that needs to be mentioned from my obversations is that over time and very gradually, alot of players need to constantly increase their minimum bets in order to achieve the same thrill they may have gotten at say 45 or 90 cents/spin in their early days of gambling. I think the author of this thread may be a case in point. I don't see where he ever placed a bet lower than $9.00/spin. Three years ago the same person may have been perfectly satisfied and thrilled to spin the wheel at $1.00 . A lucky hit at an unusually higher wager than normal for you may be the worst thing that can happen to you in the long run. You may find that you don't ever want to come back down to the level of play that you were perfectly satisfied with prior to that lucky day.
 
LMFAO......

Don't feel bad Tim, I didn't get it either til Nafanny posted the screenshot. One of these days I'm gonna learn not to drink coffee while reading. Too funny.
 
caruso said:
If I could ban gambling, or any aspect of it, I would. Gambling's served me OK the few years I've done it, but the downside, as evinced by the above quotes, are too great. Gambling is bad news.

Really? You are not serious, are you? It's posts such as yours that the Kyle/Goodlatte crowd are keen on to impair the freedoms of everybody. Of those who have a problem with gambling and of those who have control over gambling and do so as a fun, affordable passtime.

What about personal responsibility? Alcohol has destroyed the lives of quite a few people and of the people around them. Should we ban alcohol for everybody even though a large majority has good control over their alcohol consumption and really just enjoy a glass of wine with dinner? The more we create laws because a minority doesn't act responsibly, the more we relinquish control over our lives to the Government. And eventually, the Government will come up with a law that will ban YOUR favorite activity.

Perhaps the day will come where the Government will decide that we are all too irresponsible with how we spend our money (we shop too much, spend too much on clothes that are out of fashion in 3 months, do frivolous things, spend too much on luxury homes and cars). To save us from ourselves, the Government will lay claim on all our income except for a little bit of spending petty cash. Brave new world!
 
tim5ny said:
...One thing that needs to be mentioned from my obversations is that over time and very gradually, alot of players need to constantly increase their minimum bets in order to achieve the same thrill they may have gotten at say 45 or 90 cents/spin in their early days of gambling. I think the author of this thread may be a case in point. I don't see where he ever placed a bet lower than $9.00/spin. Three years ago the same person may have been perfectly satisfied and thrilled to spin the wheel at $1.00 . A lucky hit at an unusually higher wager than normal for you may be the worst thing that can happen to you in the long run. You may find that you don't ever want to come back down to the level of play that you were perfectly satisfied with prior to that lucky day.
I think Tim is onto something here. Very interesting observation.

caruso said:
I notice Bryan doesn't make this mistake. Must be his close proximity to the UK...
But everyone here speaks German...

I used to be an English Prof., but that was a while ago - when Casinomeister was a fetus.

Punctuation and homonym errors freak me out BTW :D

caruso said:
In retrospect, what a good thread this turned into:
Ah -- the glass half empty again, eh? :D

I take it you were being sarcastic since you pointed out some of the more depressive comments. This is a good thread (IMO) because we are able to understand ourselves better by learning vicariously.

We are all motivated by different forces or nuances when it comes to gambling or playing casino games. I feel it's important to understand these things.

For instance, my weakness it to play that game until I achieve a certain win - 4 Deuces in Deuces wild, 4 Aces in Aces 'n Faces, free spin bonus rounds in whatever slot, etc.,. Once I hit those, then I don't care so much. I even spend a hell of a lot of time playing the games at Leading Edge Gaming because they are so cool.
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I understand what motivates me, and I am able to keep this in check. The same should go for anyone else. It's easier to understand yourself when you see yourself reflected in others. And we should never lose sight of why we do things - especially when money is involved.
 
Casinomeister said:
Ah -- the glass half empty again, eh? :D

I take it you were being sarcastic since you pointed out some of the more depressive comments. This is a good thread (IMO) because we are able to understand ourselves better by learning vicariously.

I couldn't agree more CM. I won't say who, but someone PM'd me last night to say thanks for the post I made about enjoying and finding pleasure in some of the simpler things in life. They said it put things into perspective for them, gave them a different slant on things. This is a valuable thread, and I think that Tim hit the nail on the head. And thanks Slotster for posting those figures. I agree that it's important that people should see that even players like Slotster lose. Gambling is NOT all about that Winning Screenshots thread. I know this gets mentioned time and time again, but people really should take a gander at that Screenshots That Suck thread once in a while. That Winner's thread is simply the highlights.

And Managra, great post!! You go girl. There are many things in life that can be harmful and addictive if allowed to get out of control. Gambling is only one of them. Alcohol, tobacco, food, even sex.....there are people with addictions to any and all of these, but as Managra said, it's about personal responsibility and choice. It is not the government's choice to make for us. And if someone can blow 5K in a night and not be that bothered by it, and can afford to do that, who am I or anyone else to judge them? And Caruso, that glass isn't half-empty....it's bone dry.
 
caruso said:
I cannot begin to start out on the pathway to comprehending this mentality. You could drink and smoke yourself silly and go to the theatre every day of the week - and still not spend 2000 a month. Absolutely gobsmackingly spectacular.

Hey! I drink and smoke myself silly too!!!! Not sure what that "theatre" malarkey means though :rolleyes:

Um.. It's no different mentality to someone spending 50p a month if, percentage wise, it's affordable based on their income. That's like saying you can't understand the mentality of someone buying a Ferrari, whereas it might form the same percentage of their income as someone else buying a ten year old Fiat Uno. The mentality and enjoyment of gambling is exactly the same - just the amounts different.

It's not steady over the year for me either... I'll do next to nothing some months, then stupid amounts other months. Plus, like the month I did over 50000 in slot wins - I probably chucked in 40,000 that month maybe?... None of it "my" money.

I just intended to illustrate the large potential for losses which, judging by your reaction, I did!

Good post Tim too - I think you're spot on! I do prefer playing the higher stakes for the higher wins, but I enjoy the low rolling sometimes too... I'm not sure I *have* to bet big to enjoy it.... Dunno - I reckon I'm a bad example of the typical online gambler though. I can play day after day for weeks, then maybe nothing for a few days, month or few weeks or whatever... Strictly a spare time hobby that I thoroughly enjoy! Speaking of which, there's reels to be spun... :thumbsup:
 
Casinomeister said:
I take it you were being sarcastic since you pointed out some of the more depressive comments. This is a good thread (IMO) because we are able to understand ourselves better by learning vicariously.

Talk about the glass half-empty.:D Why would you assume that? - I was being nothing of the sort. THIS is the sort of thread that should be readily visible to all potential problem gamblers, not that wretched "winners" thread which has probably caused more slot-grief than any other on the net. Bare facts about the reality of gambling, not misleading glimaces of positive variance to send the slot junkies down the road to ruin - and it cannot be denied this is what happens, I've read several times "ooooh, all these screenshots just make me want to go and play slots."

I hope this thread gets a lot of action and stays high.
 
KasinoKing said:
That's a scary thought! :eek:
I haven't deposited into Neteller since 2002!

Same here, KK... except it's been about 3 years for me. I guess we're spoiled. :) That's why 'if' (when) my NETeller runs dry, it will be decision time -- do I deposit some of my own money and continue online gambling? or do I forget about online gambling and stick to my 3 or 4 land based casino trips per year?

For now, I'm staying with my low roller deposits ($25 or $50 unless a promo makes a $100 deposit necessary), and my low roller betting (usually no more than $1.50 per spin)... but I'm just not getting any regular hits, or the resulting withdrawals, during this past year.

... All of which speaks volumes on 'long term' and how players cannot win because the casino always has the advantage in the end.
 

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