CROWN VEGAS / SUNSET PALACE: insight into, and portrait of, an RTG casino manager

[jetset]

I sense we're seeing a classic attempt at obfuscation in these illogical CV responses.

Taking it right down to the fundamentals, why would a fired or "let go" employee so actively promote the interests of the company that had kicked him out? It doesn't make sense, and the timeframes only underline that.

This CV/SP argument, like the suggestion that a phone call or ICQ will give it credibility just doesn't hold water.

But I'd bet some interesting information will shortly be forthcoming.

[caruso]

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ead.php?t=8843

These postings on 19th July, two days before I posted this thread, are either the postings of the casino manager, or someone posing magnificently as him. If Rick were simply posing as such, what was the benefit? There had been no comment about these data base purchase shinnanigans at that point, and absolutely no reason I can see for him to behave in a non-genuine manner.

I can see no other explanation than Rick is the manager of the casino. To say "I don't know why he did this" isn't sufficient in the face of the evidence: these posts were made on July 19th; I posted in the Start Casino thread on July 21st; on July 19th there was no possible reason for any posing of any kind. On July 19th everything was ticking over just fine, and noone had any reason to impersonate anyone else. Now, yes. Then, no. Those July 19th postings in that other thread can only be from someone high up in the organization.

[CrownVegas]

and I have to hand it to Tony; he's hanging in there pretty well. I don't play at CV (can't) and I usually get very frustrated at casinorep's noninvolved nonreplies to threads in these fora, but I am having trouble not siding with Tony. Now, I am nobody and know nothing of what is going on behind the scenes, but strictly from an argumentative point of view, Tony is looking a lot stronger. The mob seems to have jumped to a conclusion that it is unwilling to realistically assess (is Tony really Rick?). The tenacity to which people hold this view, coupled with their unwillingness to contact Tony, only lend credence to his claims that there are ulterior motives at play here. Tony seems to be sticking to his story pretty well, as far as I can see.
IF Tony and Rick are indeed different people, then Tony has been MORE than patient in continuing to respond to such vitriol, and the slight acerbicity of his responses well justified. I know if I were he and that were the case, I would be much less gracious (but then again, I am just a junkie, not a casino operator, so perhaps more should be expected).
Of course, it may be the case that they are one and the same person, in which case Mary's psychological analysis was as hiliarious as it was spot on. Nonetheless, until further data is in: I vote for Tony. Given the situation, his side is more convincing so far, to me.

Thanks, well I'm not sure it has dawned yet on many people that maybe, just maybe, the reason I am in such denial and posting so often with explanations is that in fact the story is really true. What's funny is, people expect me to have reasons why Rick posted X on X date and why he would post other things. I will repeat again since this fact seems to be constantly forgotten, Rick can post whatever he wants on any board and I would have no control. I will REPEAT again for those who have trouble understanding my english. Rick, with his own motives, was doing the posting. Is that point understood to Caruso/Mary/Jetset?

So if he was being nice about CV or trying to help people with CV to gain their confidence so he could steal them to his own direction, or post on other forums looking for databases, he was doing it under his own FREE WILL. And to mary, I have NOT changed my story, your interpration though keeps changing. You kept asking me why he would be nice, I was giving you my opinion based on what's happened. There's no way I can know for sure since that would require me contacting him and at this time I've been advised not to. So, I'll repeat certain points, I know I have to for some of you, Rick is a human and unless I was inside his head, there is no way I can know for sure why/what/where/when he was/is/has posted/posting/posts. He 'MAY' have thought at one point he was going to be able to get his job back, or, he may have wanted people to trust him by pretending to be nice so he could do more deals for his personal gain. He 'MAY' have been insulting people because it was made public of his intentions, or maybe he got mad at some people, or maybe he's a schizo. I have no idea.

I know everyone who's contacted me thus far has found my postings amusing and sides with me because they see several posters here consistently not understanding points that are repeated over and over again.

[Vesuvio]

Rick is a human and unless I was inside his head...

That's the point though, Tony. The most logical explanation for all of these posts is that you and Rick are working together, or the same person. No-one's failing to understand your denials - what do you find so baffling in our not being entirely convinced by them? This wouldn't be the first time a casino's got into trouble and decided to claim someone else is in charge.

Jamiester, there's no mob here - just independent observers (who often disagree) coming to the same conclusion.

Tony, if your story's true and you can corroborate it (e.g. in conversation with Casinomeister), then I'm happy to apologise & I'm sure you can move on from here - in the meantime lashing out at respected figures in the casino industry (not me, I hasten to add!) probably isn't the best option for a genuine casino owner.

[CrownVegas]

That's the point though, Tony. The most logical explanation for all of these posts is that you and Rick are working together, or the same person. No-one's failing to understand your denials - what do you find so baffling in our not being entirely convinced by them? This wouldn't be the first time a casino's got into trouble and decided to claim someone else is in charge.

Jamiester, there's no mob here - just independent observers (who often disagree) coming to the same conclusion.

Tony, if your story's true and you can corroborate it (e.g. in conversation with Casinomeister), then I'm happy to apologise & I'm sure you can move on from here - in the meantime lashing out at respected figures in the casino industry (not me, I hasten to add!) probably isn't the best option for a genuine casino owner.

I understand, which is why I am communicating with casinomeister to try to get everything sorted out. Which is why I've said I am more than open to any suggestions anyone could think of. I don't mean to come off as lashing, but there's comes a point, when you know you are right, and you have a handful of people not believing you, that you just get extremely frustrated. I will discuss with Casinomeister all the points, and I'm sure he'll understand my points and we'll put this behind us. I've wanted to do that from the start, and one of the reasons I am so passionate in my arguements is because I understand the value of the opinions of people here which is why I take the time to respond and try to clear things up.

[thelawnet]

I understand, which is why I am communicating with casinomeister to try to get everything sorted out. Which is why I've said I am more than open to any suggestions anyone could think of. I don't mean to come off as lashing, but there's comes a point, when you know you are right, and you have a handful of people not believing you, that you just get extremely frustrated. I will discuss with Casinomeister all the points, and I'm sure he'll understand my points and we'll put this behind us.

Has this been done?

Last I remember there were some unanswered questions, although the thread has faded from view.

[rudepete]

I have been playing at Crown Vegas for some time now and have been following this latest post and I am quite disturbed by it.
I feel this is no way for a casino to act or conduct business and I am through with them.
You know it is weird but before I even came here and read these many posts I knew something was up. Before coming here I just played $120 there at 20 cents (most of the time) per spin and couldn't get crap.
I have never had this happen here. It was a bonus coupon I used and I usually can meet the wagering requirements or get dang close. This was an absolute first for me at this particular casino. That is why I wondered what the heck was going on. So I came here to see if others mentioned it and I found this huge problem going on with the supposed manager or owner of Crown Vegas and all the junk associated with him.
I sit here shaking my head. I have lost all faith now and will take it off my computer. No more the loyal player.
I felt somewhat secure playing and deposting at certain casinos and now I don't feel secure any longer and I am seriously considering dropping all of them off my computer and just save up my money for the land based casinos close to me in Canada or Detroit.
Crown Vegas, you know who I am and I damn well don't care if you lock me out or whatever you do to disgruntled players, but you have lost one here, which, if you have so many I guess it won't matter much. Name is the same....
I am not sore about losing the money as much as I am really mad about the crap that is being put out here.

[Rebel2k5]

I joined this forum because it's been a month since my withdrawal request from Crown Vegas, and I still don't have the money.

I've been told a check has been sent about 10 times now. Then the next day, they say it will go out soon.

[peteyweestro]

so what ever happened with this scenario anyways?????

[kimss]

That would be fun to know! Another ones of theese classic threads it seems!