Online Roulette and Baccarat Systems that work ?

[Vesuvio]

Originally Posted by bokske

Yawn. Your interests are just very different from mine. Isn't it infinitely more stimulating to demonstrate that a fair casino can be beaten ?

Fair enough. I agree bonus hunting isn't interesting and won't advance the boundaries of intellectual knowledge, but at least it's an easy way to make some money. Demonstrating a fair game of roulette or baccarat can be beaten would be much more stimulating - it's just a shame it's impossible, whatever complicated reasoning you come up with to try and convince yourself of the opposite. Still, good luck!

[KasinoKing]

For what it’s worth, I believe there are ways to beat Roulette. I have had little dabbles with some good successes, but all the time there is easy money to be had from bonuses, I can not be bothered to try to develop my theory further. This might sound crazy, but with any Roulette ‘system’ there is the risk of losing $100’s before you start winning – and I can’t stomach that. (Too chicken!).
All the pessimists say that if you keep going with any system, you will lose in the end. This is undeniably true. But in any given session, you will nearly always be ahead at some point – the trick is to quit at this point, before the maths takes your winnings away!
The basis of my (and many others!) theory: There is no way to win if you bet on every spin, but some casino’s (e.g. Cryptologic) allow you to spin the wheel with no bets on it. After say 20 spins, at least 17 of the numbers will not have come up at all. If you start betting on these numbers, the chance of any one hitting on any given spin is still always 1/37, but the longer it doesn’t hit the greater the probability that it will come in sooner than those that have already hit. In this respect, the maths says you MUST win!
This is very roughly the basis of my theory, and presumably, those of others.
When I finally get down to fine tuning my system to a foolproof winning method – I will immediately tell no-one and not try to sell it. What - are you kidding???

[pstnpstn]

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

For what it’s worth, I believe there are ways to beat Roulette. I have had little dabbles with some good successes, but all the time there is easy money to be had from bonuses, I can not be bothered to try to develop my theory further. This might sound crazy, but with any Roulette ‘system’ there is the risk of losing $100’s before you start winning – and I can’t stomach that. (Too chicken!).
All the pessimists say that if you keep going with any system, you will lose in the end. This is undeniably true. But in any given session, you will nearly always be ahead at some point – the trick is to quit at this point, before the maths takes your winnings away!
The basis of my (and many others!) theory: There is no way to win if you bet on every spin, but some casino’s (e.g. Cryptologic) allow you to spin the wheel with no bets on it. After say 20 spins, at least 17 of the numbers will not have come up at all. If you start betting on these numbers, the chance of any one hitting on any given spin is still always 1/37, but the longer it doesn’t hit the greater the probability that it will soon come. In this respect, the maths says you MUST win!
This is very roughly the basis of my theory, and presumably, those of others.
When I finally get down to fine tuning my system to a foolproof winning method – I will immediately tell no-one and not try to sell it. What - are you kidding???

I use system for roulette.
I do not use complicated system.
I am playing two simple system.


one is martingale (1,2,4,8) - black/red , odd/even
example :
wait black come out successively four or more.
after all red will come out.
after then red come out, now bet black 1, if lose again bet 2 on black ,again lose again bet 4 on black, again lose last bet 8 on black.
If I lose bet 8 on black, then it's game over.
total lost unit is 15 (1,2,4,8)


another is dozen or column bet
example :
wait one dozen or column come out 4 times successively.
and then bet other dozens or other colums each one unit.
If i lose then bet 3 each, again lose again bet 9 each.
If i lose bet 9 each , then it's game over.
total lost unit is 26 (1-1,3-3,9-9)

sorry for my english.
anyway many roulette player are playing with their own systems.

[nafanny29]

Until roulette balls acquire a memory I will stick to crossing my fingers.

If you record all your bets over 5000 spins you will find your return will equal about what the mathematics say it should be im afraid.

[KasinoKing]

Originally Posted by pstnpstn

I use system for roulette.
I do not use complicated system.
I am playing two simple system.

one is martingale (1,2,4,8) - black/red , odd/even
example :
wait black come out successively four or more.
after all red will come out.
after then red come out, now bet black 1, if lose again bet 2 on black ,again lose again bet 4 on black, again lose last bet 8 on black.
If I lose bet 8 on black, then it's game over.
total lost unit is 15 (1,2,4,8)


another is dozen or column bet
example :
wait one dozen or column come out 4 times successively.
and then bet other dozens or other colums each one unit.
If i lose then bet 3 each, again lose again bet 9 each.
If i lose bet 9 each , then it's game over.
total lost unit is 26 (1-1,3-3,9-9)

sorry for my english.
anyway many roulette player are playing with their own systems.

Those systems can only have one outcome.

Please let me know when you are completely broke, so I can say 'I told you so!'

I urge you to give up this crazy notion now - before it is too late!

[bpb]

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

All the pessimists say that if you keep going with any system, you will lose in the end. This is undeniably true. But in any given session, you will nearly always be ahead at some point – the trick is to quit at this point, before the maths takes your winnings away!

Its tough to tell if you're joking or not. My sarcasm detector isn't that great.

If you aren't joking, I'd suggest that you head down to your local Borders or B&N, find a copy of David Sklansky's "Getting the Best of It", get a cup of coffee and a slice of cheesecake, sit down, and read this book for half an hour. Theres a section near the back of the book that discusses the fallacy of "money mangement" in gambling.

In general, this is one of the best gambling texts I've ever read. I'd strongly recommend it to anyone interested in gambling for profit vs gambling for recreation. Hopefully, your local bookstore will carry a copy. It's probably located in the gambling section between "How to win at craps ... guaranteed!" and "What the casinos don't want you to know!". Truly a diamond in the rough.

[KasinoKing]

Originally Posted by bpb

Its tough to tell if you're joking or not. My sarcasm detector isn't that great.

I am absolutely not joking. Most of my profit in the last 3-4 years has been made by quitting when I am ahead and switching to a different game. It's not rocket science, just will power.
However, I do admit that sarcasm is my forte, whereas reading books is not. Why would I need to read a book anyway, when I am happy with my systems which already work?
Enjoy your coffee & cheesecake - I'll stick to English tea & crumpet!

[bpb]

Originally Posted by KasinoKing

I am absolutely not joking. Most of my profit in the last 3-4 years has been made by quitting when I am ahead and switching to a different game. It's not rocket science, just will power.

"Money Management" helped build Las Vegas.

It really is a very very good book.

Here's a little problem to ponder from one of Sklansky's other books.

4 brothers each play craps every day. They each religiously follow their own betting system.

Brother A - Bets $1 on the pass line 3 times, then quits.
Brother B - Bets $1 on the pass line 3 times. If he wins all three, he makes a 4th $1 bet then quits, regardless of the outcome of the 4th bet.
Brother C - Bets $1 on the pass line 3 times. If he wins all three, he makes a 4th $2 bet, then quits, regardless of the outcome of the 4th bet.
Brother D - Bets $1 on the pass line 3 times. If he wins all three, he makes a 4th $2 bet. If he wins that one, he makes a 5th $3 bet. If he wins that one, he makes a 6th $4 bet. So on and so forth. He continues to up his bet by $1 until he loses once, then quits.


10 years go by. The brothers get together to compare their results. Which brother should have performed the best? Next best? 3rd Best? Which brother will have done the worst?

What is the significance of this question?

[nafanny29]

A,B,C then D?

But they would all be down overall

Enlighten us please

[KasinoKing]

Originally Posted by nafanny29

A,B,C then D?
But they would all be down overall
Enlighten us please

Interesting! My guess would be the exact opposite D C B then A.

This is because that's how I play most games - increase my bets when I win. It works for me!

I await the answer with interest....