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Double Double Bonus Poker return %

Hi,

Being bad at mathematics I wondered if anyone could tell me what the return % is when playing MicroGamings Double Double Bonus Poker?

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Awful - 98.98%.

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Or Aces & Faces (99.25%) or Deuces Wild (Multihand Only) at 99.37%. JOB is 99.54%. Double Bonus on Crypto is 99.94% - much more like it.
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Thanks! I'm a big fan of Cryptos Double Bonus... especially the 10 play version
Do you use some software to determine the percentiles for each different VP version?
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Do you use some software to determine the percentiles for each different VP version?
I use WinPoker available at:

http://www.zamzone.com

Many games are already set up in the program and you can also create custom paytables and analyze different games.
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Or Aces & Faces (99.25%) or Deuces Wild (Multihand Only) at 99.37%. JOB is 99.54%. Double Bonus on Crypto is 99.94% - much more like it.
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but surely these figures are averaged out over ALL payout possibilities - including all the big wins, like royal flush, etc.
So in reality, unless you get real lucky, your likely return is going to be MUCH lower - worse than Blackjack for example, where there is less variance?

For example, what would the expected % return be on JOB if you discounted Royal and straight flushes?
Any maths geniuses know that?
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, but surely these figures are averaged out over ALL payout possibilities - including all the big wins, like royal flush, etc.
So in reality, unless you get real lucky, your likely return is going to be MUCH lower - worse than Blackjack for example, where there is less variance?

For example, what would the expected % return be on JOB if you discounted Royal and straight flushes?
Any maths geniuses know that?
See http://www.wizardofodds.com/gambling/houseadv.html for the definition of the house edge.

The VP analyzer http://www.gamblingtools.net/vp/vpanalyzer.html can tell you how much of the expected return comes from each particular kind of hand.
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You can also look at the software reviews on the wizardofodds site - e.g. for MG: http://www.wizardofodds.com/software/microgaming.html

Scrolling down to the Jacks or Better table there it looks as though royal and straight flushes account for 2.53% of the expected return, so you're looking at more of a 97% expected return with them taken out.

On the other hand, they do happen
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Wink Double Double Bonus Poker return %

Microgamings Double Bonus game has a payback of 99.1%. I suppose that's not too bad. The 10/7 version in Vegas pays back 100.17%.
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