Will this bonus hunting plan work?

[stan]

Hi all,

I know bonus hunting is a contentious topic and many people feel it is a thing of the past. I also know robot use is against most T&C, but would like your opinions on this bonus-hunting plan.

·A friend and I have researched and produced a list of casinos that allow BJ to fully count towards wager requirement.
·We only include casinos using particular software.
·We have basic strategy and house edge calculated for each type of BJ available with these casinos.
·We will program a bot to play the correct basic strategy for any particular casino type and BJ rules.
·We will calculate expected return using WR and house edge for each casino and rank the casinos.
·Exclude any casinos found on various online blacklists.
·We methodically go through our list of suitable casinos starting with the best ranked using the bot to meet the WR.


So that’s the plan, what do you think?

Stan

[buck]

Stan,

Give it a try, though it will depend on casinos you attack. I am not to sure that other factors are not embedded into the casino software to destroy the the true odds at most casino.

Likewise one of the biggest difference in on line is the ability to change your wagering pattern that you can't do in land base.

Buck

[stan]

Buck,

We going for "reputable" casinos and software providers first and so taking a leap of faith on true odds.

Regarding variation in betting patterns and bet sizes, unless we try to analyses the RNG I think flat betting to minimum stakes is the best option to get though the WR.

Cheers

[KasinoKing]

Stan,

I never flat bet any game, and play very little Blackjack (10-20% max.), yet I do pretty well off casino bonuses. (My online gambling has been 100% totally self-funding for the last 3-years).

People doing what you suggest, are only making the casino's tighter and tighter with the bonuses they can offer, making it much worse for everyone else.

So why don't you get a life, have some fun, and try gambling instead!
_

[stan]

Hi KK
Thanks for your comments and i understand your point of view.

but regarding you comment:
"So why don't you get a life, have some fun, and try gambling instead!"

I love to gamble (too much) but i make a living from the gambling industry. So I can't afford to gamble with my living, to make sure i still can do this i try to look at every possability. Even if it pisses off some people.

Cheers

[Clayman]

Originally Posted by stan

So that’s the plan, what do you think?Stan

So that's why you wanted that software earlier.
Like you say avoid using it for casinos that ban bots as silly as that is.
Or are you going to try to make the bot mimic humna plays with delays between hands, etc?

I flat-bet alot but almost never exclusively so I would consider that a small drawback. I'm sure you could stop it and play a few manual hands when and if you felt like it. And I guess you might give a little up on composition-dependent hands or can you program that too ? But that's not a big deal.


You going to market it or just use it for your own purposes?

How long will it take you to do this?

[cipher]

Originally Posted by stan

Hi all,

I know bonus hunting is a contentious topic and many people feel it is a thing of the past. I also know robot use is against most T&C, but would like your opinions on this bonus-hunting plan.

·A friend and I have researched and produced a list of casinos that allow BJ to fully count towards wager requirement.
·We only include casinos using particular software.
·We have basic strategy and house edge calculated for each type of BJ available with these casinos.
·We will program a bot to play the correct basic strategy for any particular casino type and BJ rules.
·We will calculate expected return using WR and house edge for each casino and rank the casinos.
·Exclude any casinos found on various online blacklists.
·We methodically go through our list of suitable casinos starting with the best ranked using the bot to meet the WR.


So that’s the plan, what do you think?

Stan

Hi Stan:

If we were talking 5 to 6 years ago I can tell you unequivocally that the bonus thing would work and you'd probably make a decent amount of money out of it. But given the ridiculous wagering requirements and sticky bonus that are employed by nearly all of the casinos the advantage anticipated from the bonus is simply not to be had.

Secondly, if your "bot" is based upon the casino's use of random number generators, your theory is flawed from the gate. As nearly all of the casinos are using pseudo random number generators, which are in fact "programable on the fly" or so to speak. In that the deck settings can and are manipulated by the casinos and in some cases those deck settings range anywhere from single deck to more than 200 decks without the player ever knowning with any degree of certainty what his or her current deck setting is set at.

Plain and simply Stan, anything that you might be working on that even remotely takes in the workings of a random number generator will not yield to your benefit. Trust me, been there done that many years ago. But I do encourage your work and wish you all the best with it.

Have a good one

[Clayman]

Originally Posted by cipher

If we were talking 5 to 6 years ago I can tell you unequivocally that the bonus thing would work and you'd probably make a decent amount of money out of it. But given the ridiculous wagering requirements and sticky bonus that are employed by nearly all of the casinos the advantage anticipated from the bonus is simply not to be had.

I would think it's exactly those increased WR's that would make a personal auto-play bot desirable. There is still positive EV in most bonus deals. Why would the anticipated advantage not be had?

Maybe I don't even know what a bot is thinking it would react to the cards dealt by the server and just play the hand for you. In what way would it be reacting to the rng from the server?

[Vesuvio]

The reports on the death of bonus hunting have been greatly exaggerated

Cipher, I agree with you about the 'R'NGs of on-line casinos, but if you flat bet at the major software providers (perhaps with the exception of Playtech) you do get around the expected return overall, whatever wild streaks you suffer in the short term.

I don't know if you'll get into any trouble from the 'robot' play clause in some t&cs, but good luck with that. Don't forget MG helpfully include their own in-built autoplay bot & there are still some decent offers you can use it for

Don't neglect sticky bonuses (all of these together make up a huge expected profit) and you should also play VP and possibly even slots offers.

[Petunia]

** Just a thought, why would you announce your intensions here? *grin* I would certainly not give my game-play away ... yet.
Just out of interest, is there a good amount of BJ allowed in the wagering to make this little endeavour worth your while? **