Vegas Partners and Bonus Abuse

Hi,

I was reviewing some of the comments about the Casinos at Vegas Partner Lounge. I notice they give a bonus with every deposit but some players get in trouble for bonus abuse.

I am considering playing there at the various casinos but do not want to get in trouble. Can someone or the VPL rep please define this thing they call “bonus abuse”. I would like to know prior to playing what they expect. If I know that, I can then give them what they want.

I don’t understand why just playing by the rules they publish would not be enough to satisfy the casino. But if it isn’t, is it to much to ask what they expect of the player?

Deb

[cipher]

Originally Posted by DebDooter

Hi,

I was reviewing some of the comments about the Casinos at Vegas Partner Lounge. I notice they give a bonus with every deposit but some players get in trouble for bonus abuse.

I am considering playing there at the various casinos but do not want to get in trouble. Can someone or the VPL rep please define this thing they call “bonus abuse”. I would like to know prior to playing what they expect. If I know that, I can then give them what they want.

I don’t understand why just playing by the rules they publish would not be enough to satisfy the casino. But if it isn’t, is it to much to ask what they expect of the player?

Deb

Hi Deb: Great post and welcome to the forum. I'm pretty sure you'll get a response from the VPL rep but it may not be for a day or so given the Holidays and all. Have a good one.

[Weedlayer]

Deb, you're asking about my favorite group. The VPL casinos are tops because of their bonus on every deposit and outstanding customer service in the rare event of a problem.

I don't want to answer for them on how much play exactly they expect, but all online casinos hate it when you play the bare minimum. Yes, it seems stupid when casinos aren't happy even though you did what they asked. As a habit you should always plan on playing more than the published terms.

[Stanford]

Weedlayer, I point out that I did play over the minimum - sometimes more than others. I was tagged as a bonus abuser and I was not. One thing I have done in the past is to play some sessions without a bonus. But VPL gives the bonus everytime and it is automatic.

Deb, I would love for VPL to be a bit more upfront and like Cypher agree this is a good subject. My questions to flush out your general question a bit are:

1. If a player gave 20% overplay prior to any cashin, would they ever be considered abusive?

2. Can the player play Blackjack or other restricted games for the overplay. Afterall, if they have met the wagering requirements, shouldn't they be able to play what they want?

3. I was told there was no precise reason but I got a hint that VPL didn't like VP players. If we limit our VP to say 50% of our action would that be enough to get us off the hook?

4. Are there other games that VPL doesn't like that a player should limit?

5. Once a player is flagged, will VPL give the player advice on what the expect to be unflagged?

Deb, whatever the answer, you should insist on playing in a controlled manner. If your choices are to play in an uncontrolled manner or be labeled a bonus abuser, you are better off with the name calling.

My suggestions on controlled play and VPL are here:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...ght=Stanford&*

Good luck,
Stanford.

[caruso]

Originally Posted by DebDooter

Can someone or the VPL rep please define this thing they call “bonus abuse”.

Certainly: winning with a bonus.

And no, bonuses are not automatic. Once you're off the list, you're history.

[Weedlayer]

Stanford and Deb do have valid questions.

Maybe in my post I should have said, "plan on playing substantially more than the published terms."

I do know the feeling of being bonus banned as I had nearly the same experience as Stanford's, only at a Playtech casino.

I don't think any casinos will ever say, "Okay, here's what we really want to see" because they of course want to keep you playing as long as possible.

[Black21Jack]

Originally Posted by Stanford

One thing I have done in the past is to play some sessions without a bonus. But VPL gives the bonus everytime and it is automatic.

It is very simple to send an email to support requesting that you be removed from the auto bonus list. I sent it directly to VPL support and requested to be removed from all casinos within the group. Bonuses are a trap on their own, but auto bonuses are the worst of all. If you don't catch that they added it and you wager, you are screwed. I requested this before I even made a deposit at any of their casinos. One sure fire way to avoid troubles at online casinos, and I guarantee that it will work 100% of the time, is don't claim bonuses

[caruso]

Of course it'll work - to facilitate cashouts, never have the need to read terms etc etc. But that's cold comfort considering the downside. If a casino likes you and treats you well you have a problem because you are a sucker. Casinos love suckers. If a casino dislikes you and puts you through the ringer regarding payments you also have those particular problems, but there's a big upside, because if a casino dislikes you then you're doing something right.

The trouble is unavoidable one way or another - unless, of course, you happen to enjoy losing money. In that case, everyone's happy.

[mitch]

Originally Posted by caruso

Of course it'll work - to facilitate cashouts, never have the need to read terms etc etc. But that's cold comfort considering the downside. If a casino likes you and treats you well you have a problem because you are a sucker. Casinos love suckers. If a casino dislikes you and puts you through the ringer regarding payments you also have those particular problems, but there's a big upside, because if a casino dislikes you then you're doing something right.

The trouble is unavoidable one way or another - unless, of course, you happen to enjoy losing money. In that case, everyone's happy.

Spot on Caruso!

Set a new record for getting locked out this month, deposited $300 in a new casino cashed out $1700 ( I must admit with no problem ) after playing just one session, next time I try and access my account 'LOCKED'!!

Apparently they must think I am some sort of advantage player, can't imagine why?

I am sure nobody can beat getting locked out after playing just once in a casino. (but perhaps someone out there can prove me wrong!)

This illustrates your point exactly Caruso, if I had lost would I have been locked?

Which do I prefer, winning $1400 and being locked or losing and being allowed to deposit more money and lose again?? Ermm

Of course if I was Black21jack this is a nobrainer because he can beat the house everytime without a bonus. (Yeh right )

Mitch

[Macgyver]

I am sure nobody can beat getting locked out after playing just once in a casino. (but perhaps someone out there can prove me wrong!)

I've been locked out of a few Playtech casinos (NY and USA come to mind) before I could even deposit a cent. I set up my account just as I've always done everywhere else and when they process my details, a popup window pops up (of course) and tells me the account's been locked.

Seems like I made some Playtech list of "advantage players" ... does that beat you?