question on best game to clear bonus

[Granny_Mae]

hi all,

forgive my newbie question. i have searched and searched and can't find a definitive answer. perhaps there is a thread that covers this?

here is my question:

i have a loyalty bonus offer from a viper room.

it is 100% match on $400, NO BLACKJACK or JoB VP allowed.

the WR is 10X

what is the best game(s) for me to clear this bonus using autoplay? ($8,000 playthru required)

my research has shown me that paigow HA is too high without the ability to bank.

it also shows me that the variance on bonus poker, double bonus and double double are way too high for me to be comfortable.

i am thinking of using 10's or better to have low variance, but also thinking that aces and faces may be an alternative (higher variance than 10's or better, but a better shot at a net win)

any suggestions? any threads that cover this? what game would you play?

thanks for the help.

[Slotster!]

Whack it in a slot machine, cross your fingers - and hope for the best!

[Granny_Mae]

Whack it in a slot machine, cross your fingers - and hope for the best!

ahhh, but that is exactly what i do not want to do. this MG casino recently added the BJ restriction, and i would pass on the offer if i could not find a viable alternative.

since slots are not an option, i guess i am trying to decide between pai-gow and VP, but since JoB is not allowed either, i need to figure out which VP game is best.

slots sure sound fun, but Mr. Granny would not be happy with this decison.

[Vesuvio]

Have a look at this:

http://wizardofodds.com/software/microgaming.html

I'd probably pick Aces & Faces rather than Deuces Wild 4 or 10-handed (lower variance, I think), but either way there's still a very high chance of losing your deposit on an offer like that

[Granny_Mae]

Have a look at this:

http://wizardofodds.com/software/microgaming.html

I'd probably pick Aces & Faces rather than Deuces Wild 4 or 10-handed (lower variance, I think), but either way there's still a very high chance of losing your deposit on an offer like that

i had dug thru the wizards VP section, but had not clicked on the microgaming analysis.

thanks for the link.

now that i see the MG returns for VP all lined up, i can see that aces and faces looks to be the choice, except i have no clue what the variance is on these games.

if the variance is much higher on aces and faces than 10's or better, i may stick with the 10's or better. however, if the variance on the VP games is much higher than paigow, then i may be better off giving up some HA and going with paigow.

can you (or anyone) tell me how to figure variance on VP games? the wizard has some variance charts, but not for these 2 games.

tyvm

[big_mac]

I can't help you with the variance question, but I have a crappy Java App that will give you some idea of the chance of making a profit.

It's only for JoB at the moment, but I can add other forms of VP over the next few days.

http://bigmac.atspace.com/

The figures I get for A&F are :-

5 coins 25c:
average = +£348, lost money 17.5%, busted 0.5%
10th percentile = -£85, 90th percentile = £1107

1 coin 25c:
average = +£220, lost money 2%, busted 0%
10th percentile = +£85, 90th percentile = +£362

[Granny_Mae]

wow, thanks a bunch!

would it be pushy if i asked that the next one you do is MG 10s or better?

anything you go with next would be appreciated tho.

[Granny_Mae]

1 coin 25c:
average = +£220, lost money 2%, busted 0%
10th percentile = +£85, 90th percentile = +£362

btw, just curious. what value are you using for the royal at one coin? MG only pays 250 for one coin, and i would think that greatly affects these numbers.

if i have a theoretical 0% chance of ruin with 250 plugged as the royal value, this is certainly the way to go. if you used 800, then this would change things.

thanks for the clarification when you get a chance.

[paul1]

Hi Granny,

Haven't seen you at RGP for awhile. I heard you had given up gambling and taken up knitting.

Anyway, I think Ace & Faces and Tens or better at Microgaming are pretty close. Variance on Tens is 19-something and on Aces-Faces it's 20-something. Their longterm expectancy is not much different either, with Aces-Faces being just a tad better.

But Granny, variance is your friend. Play their Deuces Wild Multi with high variance and swing for the fence. Don't wear a skirt.

Good luck Granny.

[Granny_Mae]

Hi Granny,

Haven't seen you at RGP for awhile. I heard you had given up gambling and taken up knitting.

Anyway, I think Ace & Faces and Tens or better at Microgaming are pretty close. Variance on Tens is 19-something and on Aces-Faces it's 20-something. Their longterm expectancy is not much different either, with Aces-Faces being just a tad better.

But Granny, variance is your friend. Play their Deuces Wild Multi with high variance and swing for the fence. Don't wear a skirt.

Good luck Granny.

heya paul!

i've stopped reading rgp because i don't have enough spam knives to cut through the pork there. it has become a mess.



i still am very active at 2+2 in the internet forum, but have always read what's going on here at meister. i just never felt the need to post until today.

ok, those variance numbers are huge. if i am not mistaken, the variance numbers for JoB is six something. i would have thought that 10's or better would be in that area.

i also know that the pay table for the deuces multi-hand is superior to the single game for the top pays, but again was deterred by the variance.

*sigh*

you make a good point though. i should stick to deuces multi and just take the shot.
as far as the skirt, i'll have you know i only wear nightgowns, and only change them every other full moon.