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Old 29th November 2004, 11:22 AM
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A game that is random but rigged to discard some of the random results...

I imagine....
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A game that is random but rigged to discard some of the random results...

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... which would make it not random! Argh, why brain hurts!!
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Let's say I have a coin that comes up heads with probability 2/3 and tails with probability 1/3 and that I bet you even money that it it will be heads. If you accept it knowing all the facts, then I consider it a fair game and that you are a sucker, but if I conceal the fact that the coin is biased and give the impression that it is normal, then it would be a rigged game but still with a random outcome. The game is strongly in my favour, but I could still lose. A two-headed coin would give a non-random result.
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Have you ever played Crypto blackjack?
Here's a little example of how 'streaky' Crypto BJ can be.
First 18 hands of a session - 8 blackjacks. Dealer 6, player 2.
What's the odds of 8/18???

(Mind you, after 68 hands I had made $20 which makes a nice change! )
(Also a chance for you to see the WAG system in operation! (especially hand #5) )

Hand # 1
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 4 Spades, 9 Diamonds (13)
Dealer's cards showing: 10 Hearts
Dealer's hand: 10 Hearts, Ace Diamonds (BLACKJACK)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 281.70 USD

Hand # 2
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 4 Hearts, 3 Spades (7)
Dealer's cards showing: 7 Hearts
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 4 Hearts, 3 Spades, Jack Hearts (17)
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 7 Hearts, Queen Hearts (17)
The result was: push
Your new balance: 281.70 USD

Hand # 3
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 10 Clubs, Jack Spades (20)
Dealer's cards showing: King Diamonds
Dealer's hand: King Diamonds, Ace Diamonds (BLACKJACK)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 279.70 USD

Hand # 4
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 10 Hearts, Jack Spades (20)
Dealer's cards showing: Ace Hearts
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: Ace Hearts, 9 Spades (10/20)
The result was: push
Your new balance: 279.70 USD

Hand # 5
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 5 Clubs, 9 Diamonds (14)
Dealer's cards showing: 5 Spades
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 5 Clubs, 9 Diamonds, Ace Clubs (15)
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 5 Spades, 4 Diamonds, 5 Diamonds, 10 Clubs (BUST)
The result was: you won 2.00 USD
Your new balance: 281.70 USD

Hand # 6
Your bet was: 4 USD
Your cards: 2 Spades, 10 Clubs (12)
Dealer's cards showing: 10 Diamonds
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 2 Spades, 10 Clubs, Ace Hearts (13)
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 2 Spades, 10 Clubs, Ace Hearts, 10 Clubs (BUST)
Dealer's hand: 10 Diamonds, 3 Clubs (13)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 277.70 USD

Hand # 7
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 10 Diamonds, 6 Hearts (16)
Dealer's cards showing: 10 Hearts
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 10 Diamonds, 6 Hearts, 3 Spades (19)
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 10 Hearts, 10 Clubs (20)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 275.70 USD

Hand # 8
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 2 Clubs, 10 Clubs (12)
Dealer's cards showing: 9 Spades
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 2 Clubs, 10 Clubs, King Hearts (BUST)
Dealer's hand: 9 Spades, Jack Diamonds (19)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 273.70 USD

Hand # 9
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 3 Hearts, 5 Clubs (8)
Dealer's cards showing: 6 Diamonds
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 3 Hearts, 5 Clubs, King Diamonds (18)
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 6 Diamonds, 7 Hearts, 2 Spades, Jack Diamonds (BUST)
The result was: you won 2.00 USD
Your new balance: 275.70 USD

Hand # 10
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 4 Spades, Jack Hearts (14)
Dealer's cards showing: 10 Clubs
Dealer's hand: 10 Clubs, Ace Spades (BLACKJACK)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 273.70 USD

Hand # 11
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 8 Hearts, 9 Diamonds (17)
Dealer's cards showing: King Spades
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: King Spades, 7 Hearts (17)
The result was: push
Your new balance: 273.70 USD

Hand # 12
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: Ace Diamonds, King Clubs (BLACKJACK)
Dealer's cards showing: 8 Diamonds
Dealer's hand: 8 Diamonds, 5 Clubs (13)
The result was: you won 3.00 USD
Your new balance: 276.70 USD

Hand # 13
Your bet was: 4 USD
Your cards: Queen Clubs, Ace Spades (BLACKJACK)
Dealer's cards showing: 6 Clubs
Dealer's hand: 6 Clubs, Ace Spades (7/17)
The result was: you won 6.00 USD
Your new balance: 282.70 USD

Hand # 14
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 6 Diamonds, Jack Hearts (16)
Dealer's cards showing: Queen Clubs
Dealer's hand: Queen Clubs, Ace Spades (BLACKJACK)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 280.70 USD

Hand # 15
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: Ace Diamonds, 5 Clubs (6/16)
Dealer's cards showing: Queen Clubs
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: Ace Diamonds, 5 Clubs, Jack Spades (16)
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: Ace Diamonds, 5 Clubs, Jack Spades, 3 Clubs (19)
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: Queen Clubs, 5 Spades, 9 Diamonds (BUST)
The result was: you won 2.00 USD
Your new balance: 282.70 USD

Hand # 16
Your bet was: 4 USD
Your cards: 6 Spades, 8 Spades (14)
Dealer's cards showing: Ace Diamonds
Dealer's hand: Ace Diamonds, Jack Spades (BLACKJACK)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 278.70 USD

Hand # 17
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 9 Diamonds, King Hearts (19)
Dealer's cards showing: 6 Spades
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 6 Spades, 3 Clubs, King Hearts (19)
The result was: push
Your new balance: 278.70 USD

Hand # 18
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 6 Hearts, 8 Diamonds (14)
Dealer's cards showing: 10 Spades
Dealer's hand: 10 Spades, Ace Clubs (BLACKJACK)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 276.70 USD
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(Also a chance for you to see the WAG system in operation! (especially hand #5) )


Hand # 5
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 5 Clubs, 9 Diamonds (14)
Dealer's cards showing: 5 Spades
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 5 Clubs, 9 Diamonds, Ace Clubs (15)
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 5 Spades, 4 Diamonds, 5 Diamonds, 10 Clubs (BUST)
The result was: you won 2.00 USD
Your new balance: 281.70 USD

Hit 14 against a 5? WAG system? How does Intercasino stay in business?
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First 18 hands of a session - 8 blackjacks. What's the odds of 8/18???
I get around 1 in 1,446,000. On the other hand losing 3 units in 18 hands is pretty common

Thought you'd like to know apparently your WAG system is pretty popular as, just 10 minutes ago, I saw several people using it extensively while I helped someone make their first-ever purchase at Inter. Split K,K vs 5 and got a 10 & Ace. Hit 15 vs 4 got a 2 and won. Doubled 10 & 11 vs Ace - well you can't win them all.

Are you sure you haven't been marketing it to the masses? Hope you have a million customers
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I think you mean half those odds - 8/18 Dealer AND Player.

But here's another bad example of just why I don't like BlackJack!
Lost first 7 hands without doing anything silly!

(Also why I think that anyone who increases their bet after losing must be mad! )

Gotta love the opening piss-taker from the dealer here:-

Hand # 1
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: Queen Spades, 10 Clubs (20)
Dealer's cards showing: 5 Hearts
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 5 Hearts, King Hearts, 6 Diamonds (21)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 179.00 USD

Hand # 2
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 6 Diamonds, King Spades (16)
Dealer's cards showing: 4 Diamonds
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 4 Diamonds, 8 Hearts, 5 Spades (17)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 177.00 USD

Hand # 3
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 2 Clubs, 9 Diamonds (11)
Dealer's cards showing: 4 Spades
Your response: DOUBLE DOWN
Your new hand: 2 Clubs, 9 Diamonds, Ace Diamonds (12)
Dealer's hand: 4 Spades, Queen Hearts, 4 Spades (18)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 173.00 USD

Hand # 4
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 3 Hearts, 5 Diamonds (8)
Dealer's cards showing: 10 Spades
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 3 Hearts, 5 Diamonds, 2 Hearts (10)
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 3 Hearts, 5 Diamonds, 2 Hearts, 3 Spades (13)
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 3 Hearts, 5 Diamonds, 2 Hearts, 3 Spades, 3 Spades (16)
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 3 Hearts, 5 Diamonds, 2 Hearts, 3 Spades, 3 Spades, 2 Hearts (18)
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 10 Spades, Queen Spades (20)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 171.00 USD

Hand # 5
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 9 Spades, 3 Clubs (12)
Dealer's cards showing: 5 Diamonds
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 5 Diamonds, 7 Diamonds, 8 Clubs (20)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 169.00 USD

Hand # 6
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 2 Diamonds, 5 Clubs (7)
Dealer's cards showing: 4 Spades
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 2 Diamonds, 5 Clubs, 2 Diamonds (9)
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 2 Diamonds, 5 Clubs, 2 Diamonds, 8 Diamonds (17)
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 4 Spades, 9 Diamonds, 3 Diamonds, 5 Hearts (21)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 167.00 USD

Hand # 7
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 5 Clubs, 3 Clubs (8)
Dealer's cards showing: Ace Spades
Dealer's hand: Ace Spades, Jack Spades (BLACKJACK)
The result was: dealer won
Your new balance: 165.00 USD

Hand # 8
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 7 Hearts, 2 Clubs (9)
Dealer's cards showing: 2 Diamonds
Your response: HIT
Your new hand: 7 Hearts, 2 Clubs, Jack Spades (19)
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 2 Diamonds, Jack Diamonds, 7 Spades (19)
The result was: push
Your new balance: 165.00 USD

Hand # 9
Your bet was: 2 USD
Your cards: 9 Clubs, Queen Diamonds (19)
Dealer's cards showing: 9 Diamonds
Your response: STAND
Dealer's hand: 9 Diamonds, 7 Diamonds, 10 Diamonds (BUST)
The result was: you won 2.00 USD
Your new balance: 167.00 USD

Oh YES! A winner!
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