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toofast4u

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I am writing here today about a topic that may make some of you feel uneasy or uncomfortable, but here it goes

For probably the last 7 years of my life gambling has came and gone from time to time, for me it was an easy hook, after an initial big win I was bitten by the bug. The problem for me has never been winning, it has always been the temptation to go for that one more bet, many times down to the last dollar, which at times has put me in a severe finiancial situation and really put a toll on me and my family. Recently I had probably went for at least the last 6-7 months without gambling and I was proud of myself for that. But recently having moved to AZ, I am now surrounded with tons of new opportunitys to gamble. I was getting a long great, doing well with my business, but funds got a little tight so I decided to give it a try, I thought only $100 cant hurt anything. Upon that day, I hit it big cashing out with $1800, which at the time was very much so a blessing because I was getting ready to move my business into a new shop and buy some new shop equipment(I am in the custom manufacturing business). But of course, this wasn't enough, I went back a couple days later and cashed out with another $4k, no I realize that to some of you this may not be much but for me it was a huge gain!! But because of this damn illness, otherwise known as compulsive gambling, this was probably the worst thing that could have happened to me. I was fine for a few days, happy that I had won the money and bought lots of stuff for myself as well as my business, but after a few days the temptaion was back and I went back to the casino with a few hundred $$$$, which I did manage to make a profit from but being cocky I wound up betting too big and lost that money quickly, and this was the start of the destruction. I returned later on that day with another $1000 and lost it immediately, it was as if the cards had totally turned against me. Discouraged from the loss I didn't return for several days, but when it came to moving day I was on the way to sign the lease for my new shop, which of course drove right by the casino, with cash in my pocket I decided to stop in. It was a horrible day, I must have been losing 8 out of 10 hands. At the end of the day to my dismay I had lost over $1800, which was way beyond my limits and there went the money to the shop, I was destroyed by this. You would think I would learn my lesson, but of course not. This brings me to yesterday, I spend all last week scrounging up money and working to get enough money together to make the move, but I came up a few hundred short, so stupid me decides to take a couple hundred to the casino and try it out, of course I do nothing but lose again, at the time I supposedly only had a couple hundred in the bank so I figured that was my limit. But I didn't know a big deposit had just cleared the bank, so there I was right in the danger zone with access to big money, these days they make it too easy to withdraw beyond your ATM limits, right at the ATM!! No hassle just go ahead and spend away!! Well, at the end of the day that brings me to $1200 down, at one point I could have walked with an extra $400 but of course I decide to stay and play. At the end of the session it all really hit me, here I was right back in the middle of the very activity that has caused so much turmoil and heartache in my life!! As I sit here today only 1 day from when this all happened, I find it hard to even bring myself to work at all. I have ruined my chances to really make it with my business and really hardly left myself with enough to even pay my bills with. I spent a good part of the day yesterday a nervous wreck, trying to figure out a way out of this mess but at the end of the day i just feel like the biggest POS and I understand why somepeople take it too far and end their life over thier losses, its not the money but the shame that destroys you. I never went into this with ill intentions, but the power of money is great, and casinos are governed by evil, and having this addiction in my past it was easy to take over again, now it has left me with not much to work with, infact I may wind up losing much of my property and will likely be sued by several people just because now I have ruined my business.

So, was the win worth it all, no not at all, I would rather have spend this whole time working instead of wasting so many precious hours in that dirty, terrible casino.

Its all a game, whether it be controled by man or some force beyond that lets you win it big that first time out, just to later take you down and make you lose beyond your best intentions. How it can go from being so easy in the beginning, can't do anything wrong to not being able to do anything right, and the dealer getting that 21 in that opportune time tells me there are forces beyond our control behind the dealer. I cannot see any logic in it at all, with everything else In my life i have always been very careful and used caution in my spending, but this is a worse addiction that any drug could ever be.

Anyways, in a final note, I definitely think that gambling is a big problem in our society today, we have made it way too easy to lose our hard earned money, hell with internet casinos you can lose your ass right there in your home, even with short term wins we are all doomed to failure in the end, not many of us have the will to never return. Even with the internet casinos, payment handlers like netteller can allow you to withdraw beyond your account balance. As far as I am concered that is B.S., if anything else please put some sort of limit on our spending, instead of the skys the limit!! I have paid for my sins and it has taken down to nearly nothing, hopefully this time will be the last. I spent part of the day yesterday reading about the darker side of gambling and reading how many people it destroys every year. States are letting casinos come in to help the stated budget, but that money is coming from the people, and is it worth a few extra million added to the stated budget to destory even one familys life?? I think not. There has to be some sort of responsibility on the casinos part here. An bar would make an alcoholic leave if they drink too much, but a casino loves it when a compulsive gambler spends too much money, if casino operators have any morals at all(which I doubt they have very little) they should adopt some sort of system to prevent compusive gamblers from taking it too far. Missouri has did something about it, creating a spending/time limit for each player which help a little.

I am sure that many of you reading this can relate, but how do you cope with something like this and how do you permanently eliminate it from your life? I have taken the 1st step and banned myself from every casino in my state, but the damage is done, My biggest fear is not being able to recover from this loss.
 
What a loser.... :lolup:
"...evil dirty casino", "...governed by evil"
According to your posts you were approximatedly $4,000 ahead and STILL 1,000 ahead now (even after the losses.) And you wanna whine about it. Makes me wonder who REALLY is the evil? I do feel for you, everyone of us has experienced this sometime somewhere somehow. You are ahead and you could have gone home rich but instead you chose to stay and lose your shirts. I don't see why you are making it such a big deal...when you are in fact still WINNING?? And you are blaming the casino?? :eek: :confused:

Methinks tis not the gambling problem or addiction that's your problem, IT IS BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE FOR YOUR FAULTS THAT MAKE YOU A LOSER
 
Oh, thanks for calling me a loser, that makes me feel so much better.
No, actually I am $500 down, ass, I am sorry if I didn't post every detail about my losses, I was only slightly ahead yesterday when I went and that went down the tubes. The point is how much this has taken over my thinking in the last couple weeks. Appearantly you can't relate so why don't you keep to yourself, only a true compulsive gambler knows how I feel right now. Gambling is my only problem, every time I have stayed away I have been fine. You are very wrong if you are going to try to sit here and say that anything good can become of it in the end, and if you want to admit it or not the casino is as much at fault as I am. Gambling is addicting, just by its nature, but the casinos take it a step farther to make it more addicting and to increase the temptation. Hell, I hardly see a website these days not advertising some sort of gambling, its in your face every day, I went 7 months without even thinking about it but all it took for me was 1 day at the casino and a big win to get me right back into my habit. And if you count what I have lost over the years we are talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of $50-60k, so I think I have paid for the right to bitch about it, so basically what I am saying is STFU

Gambling is my illness, I am sure that there are many others that feel the same way. I came on here because I need to vent. Whether you want to believe it or not there are evil forces at work. If there were not, it wouldn't be so easy in the beginning to win then become impossible to win later on.
 
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Gambling is an excited but VERY dangerous hobby. May I suggest you to get professional help? I had been there few times with similar mind and regret about what I did. Self-control is very hard. Thanks to my "cheap" personality and I play very few now. (I also put all my "entertainment money" into stock for the past few months, so I don't really have too much extra to play. :cool: )

Loosing money is one thing. Loosing your LIFE is another. I belive someone here can give you a direction to get help. Another suggestion is have someone you trust take over your money control for a while until you get yourself back in line. What happened is happened, you need to lookforward to the future and doing something.

Good luck and best wishes from my heart!
 
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toofast4u said:
Oh, thanks for calling me a loser, that makes me feel so much better.
No, actually I am $500 down, ass, I am sorry if I didn't post every detail about my losses, I was only slightly ahead yesterday when I went and that went down the tubes. The point is how much this has taken over my thinking in the last couple weeks. Appearantly you can't relate so why don't you keep to yourself, only a true compulsive gambler knows how I feel right now. Gambling is my only problem, every time I have stayed away I have been fine. You are very wrong if you are going to try to sit here and say that anything good can become of it in the end, and if you want to admit it or not the casino is as much at fault as I am. Gambling is addicting, just by its nature, but the casinos take it a step farther to make it more addicting and to increase the temptation. Hell, I hardly see a website these days not advertising some sort of gambling, its in your face every day, I went 7 months without even thinking about it but all it took for me was 1 day at the casino and a big win to get me right back into my habit. And if you count what I have lost over the years we are talking about somewhere in the neighborhood of $50-60k, so I think I have paid for the right to bitch about it, so basically what I am saying is STFU

Gambling is my illness, I am sure that there are many others that feel the same way. I came on here because I need to vent. Whether you want to believe it or not there are evil forces at work. If there were not, it wouldn't be so easy in the beginning to win then become impossible to win later on.

So sorry for your slip Toofast. I think it took a lot of courage to post and judgement is not what you need right now. I have done the exact thing you spoke of- start off with a good win, and then go back to test things out only to give back more. Don't beat yourself up any more or listen to those who do the same. I too have had the same experience as you, initially winning at a new site and then having everything go south and it has made me wonder if this is a coincidence or "non-random" and don't know if we will ever know. Here is a good site I know of which you might want to check out their posting board. Sometimes I look at it when I get too over confident about my wins, or compulsive about my betting.
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There are a lot of people there who have lost more than their shirts, but their marriages, homes and jobs from compulsive gambling. Take care of you.
 
bewitch said:
Gambling is an excited but VERY dangerous hobby. May I suggest you to get professional help? I had been there few times with similar mind and regret about what I did. Self-control is very hard. Thanks to my "cheap" personality and I play very few now. (I also put all my "entertainment money" into stock for the past few months, so I don't really have too much extra to play. :cool: )

Loosing money is one thing. Loosing your LIFE is another. I belive someone here can give you a direction to get help. Another suggestion is have someone you trust take over your money control for a while until you get yourself back in line. What happened is happened, you need to lookforward to the future and doing something.

Good luck and best wishes from my heart!
I never said anything about losing my life, but the feeling of wishing I was dead was definitely there. Its the small bets that build up to the big ones then that gets me in trouble. I goes from being satisfied by betting $10 to betting $100 or more and wishing it was more. I do think that GA or something along those lines would probably help, its just this has been a pretty bad relapse and a general overall shitty feeling to go along with it
 
LOL~ Sorry, English is my second language. I didn't mean that :p . I totally understand your :lolup: feeling.

It's GOOD you know your problem and are willing to face it. It's no fun to loose money, but casino is not making business to loose their money.
 
seanjohn said:
What a loser.... :lolup:
"...evil dirty casino", "...governed by evil"
According to your posts you were approximatedly $4,000 ahead and STILL 1,000 ahead now (even after the losses.) And you wanna whine about it. Makes me wonder who REALLY is the evil? I do feel for you, everyone of us has experienced this sometime somewhere somehow. You are ahead and you could have gone home rich but instead you chose to stay and lose your shirts. I don't see why you are making it such a big deal...when you are in fact still WINNING?? And you are blaming the casino?? :eek: :confused:

Methinks tis not the gambling problem or addiction that's your problem, IT IS BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE FOR YOUR FAULTS THAT MAKE YOU A LOSER

It is true if you do the math, he did not lose much. Calling him a loser may be a bit harsh though.
 
If you cant control your self, get help. People gamble with out knowing it, coming to work late, stocks, having sex with no condoms with a person you dont know, using crack. If you know you cant control your self get help :thumbsup:
 
It was not much, but it has really put me in quite a bind. i just think its important for me to recognize that in reality, even if I do win in the short term the past has proven time and time again that in the long term failure is almost certain. I do not want my future or my life to be a gamble.
 
When gamble does some damage to us i wouldn't critisize that it's because of the existance of gamble that I am now where I am.I believe the only thing we would be right to blame is ourselves and nothing else.After all no one force you to gamble.You on your own doing it and am certain that there is a reason of doing it in excess and not just because gamble is addicted,winning is sweet etc. etc.
 
toofast4u said:
but how do you cope with something like this and how do you permanently eliminate it from your life?

I suppose you start coping by eliminating, and you don't "eliminate" by barring yourself from casinos or any other superficial fix. All that does is close the door on the problem, it doesn't remove it.

Eliminating it is very easy. Learn the simple mathematics. Every $100 you put through a slot machine costs you $5 - whether you hit a progressive jackpot or lose 20 $5 pulls straight. Every $100 you put through a blackjack table loses you between about $1 and $5 depending on your skill level. Every wager costs you money, and winning is a short-term illusion. You cannot win at gambling - aside from a select handful of advantage players. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar. The house edge takes care of that.

It isn't sufficient to KNOW that gambling is a mugs' game - everyone knows that; you need to know WHY. Once you learn that (see the basics above), you'll be cured for life.
 
OK toofast4you
if you really LOST, then you really IS a loser.
although I should have refrained from calling you that out loud

Caruso is right, once you understand the math, you will be cured immediately. I play like crazy online and I make a lot of money off it. However, I truely understand I am making money NOT because I am winning but because I am only keeping them bonuses. (Or maybe not if I get lucky on poker). When I walk into a real landbased casino and sit down and gamble for real, I always feel myself shivering and shaking. It is because I know I will lose there. So I never play onland.

If you are only $500 down, that's nothing, seriously. Try bonus hunting for 1 week you will be right back on track.
 
Bad advice!

seanjohn said:
OK toofast4you
if you really LOST, then you really IS a loser.
although I should have refrained from calling you that out loud

Caruso is right, once you understand the math, you will be cured immediately. I play like crazy online and I make a lot of money off it. However, I truely understand I am making money NOT because I am winning but because I am only keeping them bonuses. (Or maybe not if I get lucky on poker). When I walk into a real landbased casino and sit down and gamble for real, I always feel myself shivering and shaking. It is because I know I will lose there. So I never play onland.

If you are only $500 down, that's nothing, seriously. Try bonus hunting for 1 week you will be right back on track.

Sean, your intentions might be good, but toofast has already acknowledged he is a compulsive gambler and so the control you exercise is unlikely within his grasp and would likely lead to further losses. I think he knows what he needs to do and that is stay away from gambling.
 
not such a great idea given the state of mind that I am in right now. the math is irrelevant, its easy to understand the math and believe me I have done my reasearch on it. However like I said, when you enter into that zone, almost sort of a hypnosis if you will, the logic and the math go out the door.

Really, its been crazy for the last couple weeks, infact probably for the last year or so when I did gamble my losses have been minimal and my winnings have been big, mostly because I knew when to leave. But now it seems like all of that discipline has went out the window, probably because I stuck my neck out too far and panic'ed and tried to get it back
 
toofast4u said:
Really, its been crazy for the last couple weeks, infact probably for the last year or so when I did gamble my losses have been minimal and my winnings have been big, mostly because I knew when to leave. But now it seems like all of that discipline has went out the window, probably because I stuck my neck out too far and panic'ed and tried to get it back

You know you made some bad decisions, we all have, some worse then others. Don't expect much sympathy from fellow gamblers though. I don't think anyone is trying to be harsh on you, its just.......well were all gamblers. For some, and I sure as hell fit nicely into this catogory, gambling is a way of life. We are risk takers, not just at the tables or slot machines either, but risk takers with most aspects of our lives. Take yourself for example. You own your own business, that is a very risky venture. It is much more safe and secure to work for some mega company then it is to strike out on your own. Day in and day out you have to deal with all the things someone else has to deal with in a company. Payroll, vendors, employee's, accounts recieveable, accounts payable, taxes....the list goes on and on. These are all the things that joe sixpack who punches a timeclock never has to worry about. Joe sixpack (for the most part) can't afford, nor would he even try to lay a $1,000 bet on one hand of blackjack. But I would/have. You probably have too.
Nothing ventured nothing gained. Caculated risk is a far cry from casino gamming. If you think,(and you are the ONLY ONE who can judge yourself), you have a gambling problem, then seek help. NOW!!! Odds are you can't beat it on your own.

If you simply made some bad choices, learn from them and don't make them again. You know better then to say the casinos are evil, and some higher power makes you win big, only to lose bigger later. But it is still ok to say so.

I tossed a laptop down the steps one drunken night after losing 7 $500.00 a hand BJ games. I ranted and raved about rigged software, cussed (alot), then realised the laptop was broken beyond repair, and on top of my $3,500 losing streak, I was now out a $1,400 lap top.
I have convinced myself, and sometimes others, the dealer at land based casinos, gets a bonus if they clean you out. I know thats crap, but I did/do it anyway. Slot machines that read your comp card, figure the amount of comps you have spent, and take the approiate amount away from you. I know thats crap too. But I think it anyway.

You got knocked down, get up. Figure out what the hell you are going to do, and do it. Its not the casinos fault, and you know it. But if blaming them helps to get you back on your feet, then by all means they are EVIL.

Just my opinion of course. :thumbsup:
 
well, you cant argue against the fact that casinos are designed, from everything from the gaudy carpet to the ever ringing tones of the slotmachines, to psych you out, the fact that they use every factor in their favor to keep you on that table losing money is they key. I will admit at times when I was on top of my game I didn't fall into that trap, but I have fallen into their trap several times. I call it brainwashing, creating the illusion that you can win in the long run, while every tick of the clock is one more tick in their favor. Its a deadly love, when at the BJ table winning big is a powerful feeling, as if being ontop of the world, but an equally negative feeling when losing your shirt. I could take only $50 to the casino, and no other forms of money, and if I lost that money I wouldn't be satisfied, or even betting $10 wouldn't be satisfying enough for me at this point, hence the problem.

But the simple fact that I could beat a 6 deck game, twice in a row pretty much cleaning up was a fluke, when infact normally its a losing game overall, even in the short term there are few winners. It just sucks to have that money that could have done so much good gone, now I gotta do some scrounging and borrowing in order to get back on my feet.

I just don't wanna see this happen to me again in the future, because not only was it a waste of money but a great waste of time too. In the hours spent at the casino I could easiy be making money at my business instead of stressing out over a stupid card game. I am lucky right now all I have to support is myself, when I get a family of my own I damn sure don't wanna be doing stupid stuff like this anymore.
 
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m249a

Good post.

You said that "toofast4u" shouldn't expect too much sympathy from others on the forum and you are probably right.

Personally I have feelings of embarrassment about posts like this because I know I am basically leaching on players like "toofast4u".

I could be said to be an advantage player, though I have made many bets of $1000 or more.

However without players who lose consistently I could not make the money I do as casinos would alter their T&Cs if everyone played sensibly.

Threads like this make me uncomfortable as they bring home the ruination gambling can bring to peoples lives.

Any other advantage players feel like this?

Mitch

"win don't gamble"
 
I think its important for people to hear both sides of gambling and how easy it is to get carried away, I am not looking for sympathy, I am just sharing my story.
 
set limits, any thing you do

Even sex you have to set limits.

Never play with rent money or money you need for something, if you need the money dont play. Dont pawn nothing to play. In los angeles pawn shops right by the casinos and you see people going back and forth
 
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bethug said:
set limits, any think you do

In los angeles pawn shops right by the casinos and you see people going back and forth

Its the same way in Atlantic City, Biloxi, Vegas...pretty much any town with casinos, there usually is a pawn shop within sight of the casino.
 
bethug said:
set limits, any think you do

Even sex you have to set limits.

Never play with rent money or money you need for something, if you need the money dont play. Dont pawn nothing to play. In los angeles pawn shops right by the casinos and you see people going back and forth

It has never came down to that, hopefully it never will.
 
Toofast, sorry to hear about your predicament.

I believe that gambling should be treated as a form of entertainment, but I also know that it can become addictive (even video games did that to me, and I've also gambled with what I call blood money).

Bethug's comments are quite sensible - you have to try and control the urge, and of course never play with rent money (I have) or money you need for other things. Easier said than done though.

If you really believe you have a problem, you need to:

1. Uninstall all casinos from your computer.
2. Notify the casinos that you wish to be excluded from any further play, as well as any offers, and to be manually unsubscribed from their mailing list.
3. Get a program which will block your access to gambling site (I believe there's one called Gamblock or something similar, I'll go digging for it and post the link if I find it).
4. Read some of the suggestions provided by place such as Gamblers Anonymous, and perhaps join one or more of the programs. I have a small list of these at Old / Expired Link - and I'm sure some people may suggest some other alternatives (btw, if anyone finds a good reference not on my list I would really appreciate it if you would send me an email to suggest a site).
5. Plot alternative travel routes if you currently use one which might take you close to a casino.
6. If you have any facility like Neteller Instacash, at least ask Neteller to disable your Instacash privileges, if not closing your account entirely.

These are only a few suggestions, others may have some other sensible advice worth following and naturally I would encourage them to post in this thread. This thread should not be a debate about what has happened - it should instead serve as a warning to others by someone genuinely concerned about the potential for addiction.

I am sure others such as the Meister and Jetset will chime in with some good advice - we are all currently in Barcelona for an i-gaming conference, of which one topic is responsible gambling (not sure where you are, if you're in the UK one further option is Gamcare).

With regard to pawn shops - in Cambodia the pawnshops are IN THE DAMN CASINO! Now if that isn't total greed and bullshit I don't know what is... besides that they allow kids to play on occasion...

Here's hoping you are able to successfully deal with your problem and get your life and finances back on track.
 
You have my heartfelt sypathy mate. I had a problem 15 years ago (Severely addicated to fruit machines) and it brought me close to losing everything important to me.

I recovered (ironicly discovering how to empty them :D ) and have never looked back but I really do hope you sort yourself out and beat the demons inside you.

Addiction to anything is really horrible and really hard to beat. I wish you the very best of luck mate.
 
spearmaster said:
Toofast, sorry to hear about your predicament.

I believe that gambling should be treated as a form of entertainment, but I also know that it can become addictive (even video games did that to me, and I've also gambled with what I call blood money).

Bethug's comments are quite sensible - you have to try and control the urge, and of course never play with rent money (I have) or money you need for other things. Easier said than done though.

If you really believe you have a problem, you need to:

1. Uninstall all casinos from your computer.
2. Notify the casinos that you wish to be excluded from any further play, as well as any offers, and to be manually unsubscribed from their mailing list.
3. Get a program which will block your access to gambling site (I believe there's one called Gamblock or something similar, I'll go digging for it and post the link if I find it).
4. Read some of the suggestions provided by place such as Gamblers Anonymous, and perhaps join one or more of the programs. I have a small list of these at Old / Expired Link - and I'm sure some people may suggest some other alternatives (btw, if anyone finds a good reference not on my list I would really appreciate it if you would send me an email to suggest a site).
5. Plot alternative travel routes if you currently use one which might take you close to a casino.
6. If you have any facility like Neteller Instacash, at least ask Neteller to disable your Instacash privileges, if not closing your account entirely.

These are only a few suggestions, others may have some other sensible advice worth following and naturally I would encourage them to post in this thread. This thread should not be a debate about what has happened - it should instead serve as a warning to others by someone genuinely concerned about the potential for addiction.

I am sure others such as the Meister and Jetset will chime in with some good advice - we are all currently in Barcelona for an i-gaming conference, of which one topic is responsible gambling (not sure where you are, if you're in the UK one further option is Gamcare).

With regard to pawn shops - in Cambodia the pawnshops are IN THE DAMN CASINO! Now if that isn't total greed and bullshit I don't know what is... besides that they allow kids to play on occasion...

Here's hoping you are able to successfully deal with your problem and get your life and finances back on track.

I blocked myself from instacash a long time ago, really I haven't internet gambled in probably about a year or so, so thats not really a big temptation right now, its the instant gratification of the land based casinos that tempt me.

Wholly crap, inside the casino??!! Now thats just plain wrong, next thing will be pawn at the ATM, lol.

They are already developing a system that will take debit/credit cards right at the table, thats just another way to make you 'loose' with your money.

Just thought I would let everyone know, I am feeling a little better tonight, thats for everyone comments.
 
toofast4u, i wish you success in dealing with your addiction. Like a previous poster said, you need to learn to manage the addiction. Find out what makes you lose control and fall into that "trance" where all sense goes out the window. It has happened to the best of us at some point. I've had success playing online but there have been times when i've lost control and lost big. Those times when i've lost big, i've been tired or been in a bad mood and i've overbet and chased my losses which is why i avoid negative progressions or betting big in general. I don't gamble when i'm unhappy because its dangerous to try to lift your mood from gambling. Keep your sessions short and don't take it too seriously. My friend has gambling problems because he takes his losses personally and he feels a right 'loser' when he loses. Guess what? he tries to make himself feel better by trying to win it back......don't use gambling to boost your own ego and try to deal with your personal problems in a different way.
 
bethug said:
set limits, any think you do

Even sex you have to set limits.

Never play with rent money or money you need for something, if you need the money dont play. Dont pawn nothing to play. In los angeles pawn shops right by the casinos and you see people going back and forth

Good advice Bethug.

However, I think casinos have to allow a player to play within there limits. As well as the player should have limits.

I remember you funny comment about cashing out in Vegas and having to wait a week. It made me smile. But at least landbased casinos provide jobs and taxes and other entertainment other than gambling.

Onlines are far more dangerous because of ease of access and provide far less to the society. Your advice of control is good - but onlines should also promote control. Instead, they try to push players to play beyond their limits. The are the real bonus abusers.

Thanks for a good post.

Stanford.
 
Another Sad Story

I remember this sad story from last year. I found it reported again in Citizen Magazine. Excerpt below:

"He told Moner hed been playing at the MGM Grand Detroit, but that hed lost too much over there and was going to try his luck at MotorCity, at the high-limit blackjack tables, where you can forfeit $5,000 on every hand and no one says a word. Moner would not join him.

Win me some if you can, he told Solomon.

And Solomon did win, at first. A half-hour in, he was up $2,000. He started out in Pit No. 12, Blackjack Table 83, before moving to Table 84, then on to other tables. But he was making odd bets, dealers said, and he kept changing his wager: $4,000, then $500, then $700, then $100. He tried playing two hands at a time, at $500 each. He visited the ATM. His fingers trembled. He came back to Table 84. He produced a little black book from his pouch, called it his profit and loss book. He showed the dealer that hed handed over several grand at the MGM the day before. He bad-mouthed casinos, complaining that they, too, keep track of whos winning; that they only say something to you when you win, never when you lose. He said he was from New York, and that he liked to gamble in Florida. He drank only cranberry juice. He said winning or losing meant nothing to him.

The dealer at Table 84 went on break. His replacement was a woman, and Solomons luck had soured. With each losing hand, he lamented: Youre killing me.

Twenty minutes later, when the male dealer returned, Solomon was begging for better cards. He had $6,000 left. On the next hand, he wagered half $3,000. He held at 20, but the dealer pulled 21. Again he bet $3,000. Again, his 20 to the dealers 21.

Youre killing me, Solomon said.

Who knew he had one more item in that now-depleted black leather pouch; a .40-caliber Glock? He put it to the right side of his head and squeezed. He sat motionless for what seemed like forever, maybe a few seconds, then turned and tipped over."

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nafanny29 said:
You have my heartfelt sypathy mate. I had a problem 15 years ago (Severely addicated to fruit machines) and it brought me close to losing everything important to me.
I recovered (ironicly discovering how to empty them :D ) and have never looked back but I really do hope you sort yourself out and beat the demons inside you.
Addiction to anything is really horrible and really hard to beat. I wish you the very best of luck mate.
Good post. Reminds me of someone I know VERY well - me!
I was (am) also addicted to fruit machines (slot machines), and don't even want to say how much I reckon I've wasted on them in my adult life.
Perhaps if I say it quickly it wont hurt too much... at least 30K ($54.6K) - OUCH!
And we are talking British machines - average payout 78% - HOW CRAZY IS THAT???

When I started playing online in 2000 I was similarly out of control. By the end of 2001 I was running up some nasty credit card bills.
I realised I had to do something - either stop gambling, or stop losing.
I know I'm hopelessly addicted, so I chose the latter. Since then I have only lost money in 2 months. I have paid off all my debits, and my gambling is entirely self-funding. I am therefore now enjoying the best of all worlds - I gamble pretty much every day, I usually make profit, but I don't have to worry when I do lose.
This is the reason for my very 'happy-go-lucky' attitude towards gambling that some of you other posters may have picked up on! :cool:
I'm not trying to make a living from it - it's just a bad habit!

As for Toofast4u - pretty much 'ditto' to all the other posts.
You may not be asking for my sympathy - but you certainly have it. Gambling IS an evil monster that can easily get out of control & wreck lives, and I can totally understand what happened to you, and to many others.
I could imagine it happening to me too, if I had a B&M casino on my doorstep. Luckily, the nearest one is 35 miles away, so I only gamble online where the minimum bets are MUCH smaller, and I find it a lot easier to control myself.
I hope recognising & admitting your problem is your first step to full 'recovery'.
Warmest wishes to you mate! :thumbsup:
 
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KasinoKing said:
I was (am) also addicted to fruit machines (slot machines), and don't even want to say how much I reckon I've wasted on them in my adult life.
Perhaps if I say it quickly it wont hurt too much... at least 30K ($54.6K) - OUCH!

Ouch, Ouch, Ouch, Ouch, that hurts real bad! :eek:
 
Kasino King - Surely you must be defeating all known Casino odd's to make money consistently, all the time, with very very few exceptions?? I hit a few big wins here and there - but I always assume that any money I gamble with I'll lose.. If I win it's a bonus!

Which games are your favourites??
 
well, I gotta say today I feel about 100% better, now just working on a solution on getting the money back, and gambling definitely is not the answer to that one.

IMO, gambling is only worth a few small bucks of your money, I was playing with critical money and I was stupid to play that way. I went from going in with $40 and walking out with $1800 to walking in with $1800 and leaving with $0.

Oh well, if we could predict the future we would all be winners.
 
Stanford said:
I remember this sad story from last year. I found it reported again in Citizen Magazine. Excerpt below:

"He told Moner hed been playing at the MGM Grand Detroit, but that hed lost too much over there and was going to try his luck at MotorCity, at the high-limit blackjack tables, where you can forfeit $5,000 on every hand and no one says a word. Moner would not join him.

Win me some if you can, he told Solomon.

And Solomon did win, at first. A half-hour in, he was up $2,000. He started out in Pit No. 12, Blackjack Table 83, before moving to Table 84, then on to other tables. But he was making odd bets, dealers said, and he kept changing his wager: $4,000, then $500, then $700, then $100. He tried playing two hands at a time, at $500 each. He visited the ATM. His fingers trembled. He came back to Table 84. He produced a little black book from his pouch, called it his profit and loss book. He showed the dealer that hed handed over several grand at the MGM the day before. He bad-mouthed casinos, complaining that they, too, keep track of whos winning; that they only say something to you when you win, never when you lose. He said he was from New York, and that he liked to gamble in Florida. He drank only cranberry juice. He said winning or losing meant nothing to him.

The dealer at Table 84 went on break. His replacement was a woman, and Solomons luck had soured. With each losing hand, he lamented: Youre killing me.

Twenty minutes later, when the male dealer returned, Solomon was begging for better cards. He had $6,000 left. On the next hand, he wagered half $3,000. He held at 20, but the dealer pulled 21. Again he bet $3,000. Again, his 20 to the dealers 21.

Youre killing me, Solomon said.

Who knew he had one more item in that now-depleted black leather pouch; a .40-caliber Glock? He put it to the right side of his head and squeezed. He sat motionless for what seemed like forever, maybe a few seconds, then turned and tipped over."

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I read that story yesterday, Although this is an extreme case it just shows how dramatic effect gambling has on some peoples lives.

I remember a few years ago when I was visiting the casino on a regular basis. There was a guy that had lost his job and came to the casino with $1700 in his pocket, and walked out with $500k, playing blackjack!!!! For probably 2 weeks he was there every day playing and losing his butt, betting anywhere from $500 - $2500 a hand, hopefully he got wise and walked away with at least some of the money, but I can only imagine what happened. I noticed that he disappeared after a while and i didn't see him around anymore, probably spent every penny of it trying to get back to that magic number. I think he would be the type of person that the casinos refer to as a 'shooting star'
 
Slotster! said:
Kasino King - Surely you must be defeating all known Casino odd's to make money consistently, all the time, with very very few exceptions?? I hit a few big wins here and there - but I always assume that any money I gamble with I'll lose.. If I win it's a bonus!

Which games are your favourites??

Slotster you answered your own question with the last six words of your penultimate paragraph.

See my last post on "VIP Casino reward scheme" for KKs method.

Mitch

"win don't gamble"
 
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sw2003 said:
Ouch, Ouch, Ouch, Ouch, that hurts real bad! :eek:
Sounds horrendous, doesn't it?
But bear in mind that's over 20+ years, so it was actually a slow trickle that works out at less than 30 a week = very easily done while hardly noticing.
Anyone who plays pub machines in the UK knows it is extremely easy to blow 30 quid in under an hour!
There are many people who are worse than me, but doesn't make it any easier to swallow!
If I smoked 20 a day, I would have spent more than that!
(and I'd be more stinky! :p )
 
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** Please allow me to say that I have not read ALL that was said. BUT I got the idea behind the first post, the support and the redicule behind some others.


* Do not confuse greedy behaviour with addiction.
* Gambling is a game, we all want to win, we all loose at times. I am down way more than $500 buddy - but it is not the casino's fault, or the government's that you show addictive behaviour.
* Get help. You are not going to get it by feeling sorry for yourself, and rounding up the troops to feel sorry for you. If you think you have a serious problem, then go to Gambling AA, or find someone in your local county. THey usually hang around at casino's too. Amazingly!
* Gambling is not a way to earn a living. IT IS A GAME pple. IT cannot be evil. It cannot be dangerous, it cannot be a health risk. YOU, as a person with your actions and intend creates that!
And then, finally.

If you cannot stand the heat in the kitchen, then get ouT!

I know it is harsh, but then, I have been there, and done that.
 
Petunia, I am totally agree with what you said here. I always blame myself when I gamble, no matter win or loose. It is a type of entertainment, expensive one.

I firmly believe it's "personality" issue. We gamble everyday no matter which firm. It can be health(Smoking, over eating, drug...), stock/investment, slot machine, BlackJack, having sex without protection, etc. Gambling with money is more "obvious" than others. We need RIGHT personality to do it. I DO NOT have this right personality to gamble at casino. I visited this forum for more than a year and saw a lot of posts. So I give myself a judgement and realize I can't do this job or enjoy it even I really want to. Being honest to yourself is NOT fun.

I have hard time to stop this hobby and really HATE myself to be this way. (Don't get me wrong. I am even on this since I started, I NEVER go over my "limit", either.) You see, I was told/educated with this kind of knowledgement since I was a kid, GAMBLING is evil thing. But so are a lot of other things around.

When I read Toofast4u's post. It really make me think more. I hate to loose my hard earn money and wish I stop it or didn't do it at first place. I am not Anti-gamble. In fact, I like gambling and I can afford it but I felt guilty all the time. I won't blame casino for this because IT'S MY CHOICE and I should be responsilbe for it. You are right about this.

Nobody like to lost money. I wish I can make money like bethug, Blackjack21, Ciper, hhfreebie and some players here, but I can't. I wish I can enjoy gambling as an entertainment(don't care about lost money) like my dear friend, Linda7 and Wanda. But I can't either.

I believe there are a lot of people like me having similar thought. I felt sorry for Toofast4u but also hope he will find some help.

Just my thought to share tonight. :cool: Have a great weekend!
 
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I've always put myself at a limit. When I know I'm going to the casino, I set aside money and that's all I will play for the night. I'm not saying it's always easy to pass by the ATM on your way out when you know you can pull out more money, but I've never regretted leaving when I did.
 
wow dont know if its a new reckord but reply to a thread thats been away for 14 years :)
good advise never the less though :)

I've always put myself at a limit. When I know I'm going to the casino, I set aside money and that's all I will play for the night. I'm not saying it's always easy to pass by the ATM on your way out when you know you can pull out more money, but I've never regretted leaving when I did.
 
What a loser.... :lolup:
"...evil dirty casino", "...governed by evil"
According to your posts you were approximatedly $4,000 ahead and STILL 1,000 ahead now (even after the losses.) And you wanna whine about it. Makes me wonder who REALLY is the evil? I do feel for you, everyone of us has experienced this sometime somewhere somehow. You are ahead and you could have gone home rich but instead you chose to stay and lose your shirts. I don't see why you are making it such a big deal...when you are in fact still WINNING?? And you are blaming the casino?? :eek: :confused:

Methinks tis not the gambling problem or addiction that's your problem, IT IS BLAMING OTHER PEOPLE FOR YOUR FAULTS THAT MAKE YOU A LOSER
wtf????????? You slimy POS! Your comment should be removed.
 
Wishing all the best! Sometimes the hardest lessons are the best lessons. You should print off your post and read it when ever you get the urge. And judgmental people irk me beyond belief! People want to piss me off, that will do it! :D
 
Just goes to show how we have all moved on, in 13 years... so much more sophisticated and whatnot... I blame the internets (it's a series of toobs!). :)
 
13 years ago I was still using my Spectrum 48K, and for the internet I'd use Teletext. I'd also use smoke signals when corresponding with friends, failing that, lob a bottle into the Thames o_O:D
 

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