Accredited CM casinos without Danish license

[shakylegz]

Hi everybody. As a dane in denmark who likes to play online casinos this really sucks . first.. Lately I have been recieving lots of e-mails from various casinos(some of my favorites to) telling they are sorry to tell that they no more can support danish players.

Secondly, the few licensed casinos that are left for us to play have changed bonus and player policy in different, but radical ways.. and not in the favour of danish players I tell you. At intercasino even some slot games are restricted now (f.ex Buccaneer's Bounty) other have doubled the WR to 60X or even more. A black day for online gamblers in denmark

[rainmaker]

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Nifty: My question is.....is the tax only payable on Danish transactions? Probably a stupid question.

Yes, operators are only obligated to pay tax on Danish transactions.

Nifty: What kind of teeth will the Danes have in regards to enforcement? If the DOJ couldn't stop US citizens gaming offshore what can the Danish government do?

Good question. I have mentioned that they for example can block unlicensed sites/ relevant payments. But we all know that players “easily” can avoid these restrictions.

But a regulated market can not be compared to what has happened in US since the US market is not regulated. If the regulation is successful then there will be little need for enforcement.

First of all, most of the larger operators in the world will respect regulated markets. They will either apply for a license or pull out. This is exactly what we are seeing in Denmark right now. You have very large operators like Betsson, Unibet, Betfair, 888, Sportingbet, Ladbrokes, Pokerstars and Bet365 who all have been granted Danish licenses. While a large operator like Paddy Power has chosen not to apply and therefore has pulled out.

Secondly (and quite important), only license holders will be able to advertise.

The Danish Act :

Only game providers with a license are allowed to advertise games

According to section 59 (5) (iv) a penalty of a fine may be imposed on anyone who gives publicity to games or game providers that do not hold a license. Advertising and publicity cover the receipt of sponsorships from illegal game providers.

Thirdly, I think most active players in Denmark are aware of this new regulation and therefore will approach those who are actually licensed in Denmark. And Danish players who are using licensed casinos do not need to pay tax on their winnings (this is especially great news for poker players in Denmark).

And finally, I think the largest casino supplier also will respect regulated markets over time. For example, one of the replies I got from an accredited casino who is using Microgaming was:

“We are no longer accepting new players from Denmark. This is because of a change of policy within our software provider effected due to regulatory changes in the Danish market”


My point is that an accepted regulation (accepted by operators and partly by players) will “automatically” strangle those who are operating without a license. But yes, there will be examples of operators who are willing to accept Danish business without a Danish license. But I do not think these operators will “threaten” the regulation in any way simply because they are very small peanuts in the company of those who actually holds a Danish license. And as I already have said, responsible operators without a license will pull out.


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[rainmaker]

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Update regarding iNetBet.

The iNetBet rep has told me that the information I received from their CS was incorrect. They do not accept Danish players (IP ban)

[darkfire]

The other problem with regulation is that I've heard of some countries' regulation, in which they tax based on profit and consequently as part of the regulation they specify a maximum payout percentage on games. (ie. the higher the margins, the more tax they rake in). I've heard of max payout percentages as low as 50%.

The governments are even greedier than the operators...

[prk]

<derail>
Hey Rainmaker, we've been going through our email logs but can't find your interaction with our CS about Denmark.
Could you PM me more info on this (email address, etc...)? Thanks in advance
</derail>

[P.V.]

<derail>
Hey Rainmaker, we've been going through our email logs but can't find your interaction with our CS about Denmark.
Could you PM me more info on this (email address, etc...)? Thanks in advance
</derail>

Could be live chat as he mentions both, not sure.

[rainmaker]

<derail>
Hey Rainmaker, we've been going through our email logs but can't find your interaction with our CS about Denmark.
Could you PM me more info on this (email address, etc...)? Thanks in advance
</derail>

Hello you,

I have sent you a PM with the information you asked for. And I am sure that you will take the time to confirm in this thread (when you locate it) that this actually is the answer your support told me:

.................

Thank you for your email

Yes we accept players from Denmark at Virgin Games.

Kind Regards

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Customer Support Team
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[rainmaker]

Hi everybody. As a dane in denmark who likes to play online casinos this really sucks . first.. Lately I have been recieving lots of e-mails from various casinos(some of my favorites to) telling they are sorry to tell that they no more can support danish players.

Secondly, the few licensed casinos that are left for us to play have changed bonus and player policy in different, but radical ways.. and not in the favour of danish players I tell you. At intercasino even some slot games are restricted now (f.ex Buccaneer's Bounty) other have doubled the WR to 60X or even more. A black day for online gamblers in denmark

Hello,

I visited some of the .DK sites (most operators have separated their Danish business to own .DK-sites) and checked WR for bonus (welcome bonus):

Betsson 40 x bonus

Betsafe 40 x bonus

Bet24 40 x bonus

Nordicbet 35 x bonus

Roxypalace 30 x bonus


I think this looks quite normal, Danish or not

But I see that operators have given you a smaller selection of games. And I did not see any progressive jackpot games, so I guess many players will be a bit disappointed by the limited offer.



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* just a correction to post #22, reply to Nifty.

I wrote: ...And finally, I think the largest casino supplier also will respect regulated markets..."

I meant to write "the largest casino supplierS. I was talking about all of the largest suppliers and not only Microgaming.

[prk]

Thanks for this. I can happily confirm this is what was said to you, I just needed more info to investigate and make sure it doesn't happen again.

Hello you,

I have sent you a PM with the information you asked for. And I am sure that you will take the time to confirm in this thread (when you locate it) that this actually is the answer your support told me:

.................

Thank you for your email

Yes we accept players from Denmark at Virgin Games.

Kind Regards

*****
Customer Support Team
help@virgingames.com
Virgin Games | 3rd Floor | Landmark House | Hammersmith Bridge Road | London W6 9DR
tel: +44 (0) 800 915 6060 | tel: +44 (0) 20 82 37 1590