Casinodeal.com requesting players data from casino.

[SlotMonster]

NOTE: the original name of the thread should be "Casinodeal.com requesting players data from casino?"
Sorry for the mistake.

Sorry if I posted it in the wrong thread, but questions I would like to raise (I think) are also important for players.

Recently I was contacted by a guy who named himself as Shawn Elliott from casinodeal . com, who wanted to be our affiliate. As our Aff Program just launched and there are only few affiliates registered, I was very glad that someone else wanted to register, but was a bit confused by Shawn's statement that they are very reputable website and were in the business since 1999, because I've nerver heard about them.

I had a call with Shawn about our possible deal (can be provided as per request, my Skype recorded it automatically), and being an affiliate myself in the past, I was...like... when I heard this:

- after many words about how trusted they are, and for how long they were in the business, Shawn claimed that after we "sign a contract" we will have to provide him with data about all players affiliated by Casinodeal, including player's First, Last Name, emails and phone numbers, and if they have, or have not made a deposit. (other stuff like a "fixed upfront payment" and "be the first in payment queue" is not unusual for affiliate business, I guess). He said that he need the details is to "contact them to make sure they are satisfied".

So I did a little search in web archives, investigated a website and their forum (with only few posts in it, since 1999...hmmmm). From what I see, the domain was sold few times, and the last record I found was from September 17th, 2010.

Shawn also claimed that they are on top positions in Google, so I also did a little search: http://www.semrush.com/search.php?q=...deal.com&db=us As you can see, there were no organic keywords till September, 2011

I also did a backlinks search, and most of them are from Google blogs: http://www.google.ru/search?safe=off...A&lr=&aq=f&oq=

So, basing on my research, casinodeal is not a brand, like Casinomeister, GPWA, AGD etc, it's nothing but just trusted domain bought maybe a year ago.

But the main question is: how it's possible to request players' details (which is enough to build a database and then maybe use it or sell it to another casino). I see many casinos on their website (even few accredited ones) and it's hard to believe that any of them agreed to provide players' data, which is in clear breach with data protection rules.

Any thoughts?

[P.V.]

If he's asking for player data other than what he gathers from his forum registration, or website, no way!

Why would an affiliate request this from an OC other than fraud or wanting to spam whomever registers to your casino from his site. Information he can't gather.

Looks like a good call Viktar but honestly I'm a bit confused by his demands, can you elaborate more?

[SlotMonster]

As I said, I have a Skype call recorded, so can easily prove my words. Shaun said that after they registered though casinodeal, the will call players to tell them about all benefits they will get and ask them to provide the review of the casino they were playing at.

There were 4 "requirements" from Shaun to start the business:

- Players data (first, last name, phone, email, and if players have or have not made a deposit);
- Upfront payment - monthly fee (depends on our adv. budget, I guess);
- They should be able to contact me at any time;
- We should pay them prior all other affiliates;

I don't mind about #2-4, but #1 really confuses me...

[chayton]

I think you're right to be concerned. It seems totally ridiculous to me, I'm not an affiliate so I don't know much about that part of it - but as a player, if I signed up at your casino and started getting phone calls from some affiliate - whether I signed up through them or not - I'd be some cheesed off at you for giving out my info. And if suddenly other casinos started calling me at home, I'd be sincerely pissed. Just saying....

If they actually do have accredited casinos on their site, maybe you could try contacting the casino reps and see if you can find out if they had this same 'condition'? Also you might want to post this is the Webbie/Affiliate whatever section, that way the affiliates will see it and give their input. Or post there with a link to here or something.

[SlotMonster]

Thanks, chayton.
I will post a link to this thread on AGD and GPWA. Would be interesting to receive a reply from other casinos/aff programs.

[rockycatt]

i think he is trying to skip to the front of the line he got the hurray for me and screw the world attitude

[KasinoKing]

I would tell them to take a hike!

That request is totally unacceptable in my book, and I wouldn't entertain it for a moment if I were you.
The only time I get to find out ANY personal detail about the players who sign-up through my sites is if the player contacts me themselves.
Casinos should NEVER give this info out to any third party IMO.

KK

[swampwitch]

Players data (first, last name, phone, email, and if players have or have not made a deposit);

As a former affiliate, I never had access to full names (unless volunteered) and phone numbers, nor would I have thought to ask for that info from my customers. Why would this yutz think you'd have that kind of info on your players to begin with?

[SlotMonster]

Why would this yutz think you'd have that kind of info on your players to begin with?

Well, maybe because I'm Head of CS and Affiliate Manager, and I have an access to players personal data.

Or I misunderstood your question?

[Seventh777]

I would tell them to take a hike!

That request is totally unacceptable in my book, and I wouldn't entertain it for a moment if I were you.
The only time I get to find out ANY personal detail about the players who sign-up through my sites is if the player contacts me themselves.
Casinos should NEVER give this info out to any third party IMO.

KK

I have only ever signed up at one casino from your site (10Bet), deposited £50 got a 75% bonus and withdrew £2000, so if i`m ever down your neck of the woods I will take you for a beer or two .

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