Should I ditch the RTG for good?

[plasticnote]

I have been RTG lover for many years and I really enjoyed their Aussie Style slots. I have been lucky to win about 10 RJs. I spent about total more than 100K to achieve this. However, recently, I have experienced 3 months no withdrawal. Cost 10K plus. Under current eco environment should I ditch all RTGs I am playing at or I should hang on for a day I could win? I would like the forum member to give me an advice. I do not have bias towards RTGs. However the cost to pay ratio... I virtually feed my MG wins to RTGs, I think it is unfair.

best regard;

A lonely slots player

 

[LOOKAWAY]

I voted yes.

Been playing RTG recently, but on 100% match bonuses. I would never play there for cash, just hard to find 100% bonuses these days as I kicked Rival out this year.

Maybe try a different software, I wouldn't vote RTG second to Micro Gaming.

 

[daveboz]

I have been RTG lover for many years and I really enjoyed their Aussie Style slots. I have been lucky to win about 10 RJs. I spent about total more than 100K to achieve this. However, recently, I have experienced 3 months no withdrawal. Cost 10K plus. Under current eco environment should I ditch all RTGs I am playing at or I should hang on for a day I could win? I would like the forum member to give me an advice. I do not have bias towards RTGs. However the cost to pay ratio... I virtually feed my MG wins to RTGs, I think it is unfair.

best regard;

A lonely slots player

"I have been lucky to win about 10 RJs."

Holy sheet LOL. Only ten huh?

 

[plasticnote]

"I have been lucky to win about 10 RJs."

Holy sheet LOL. Only ten huh?

Yes may be more than 10 but as I can recall that is 10.
3 inetbet, 2 CWC, 3 JPC and 2 at others can not remember name. the number also not exact as quite alot. give each count 1 or 2 +.

I used to do 10 to 20 a spin till 2010 later, I admire metaxa, an old member here do 100 a spin but I do not have the guts.

 

[ksech]

Sometimes a switch to a different platform or simply a break away from playing can be like a breath of fresh air. It depends on what you are looking for. If you are chasing down more RJs, then my opinion would be to thank your lucky stars and walk away while you are ahead(?). Take your winnings and invest in something you can enjoy for a long time.

And congratulations on all of your RJ wins!

 

[kidice]

Statistically, you could go much longer without a payout- much, much longer. Remember, they ARE slots and they are not mathmatically "beatable". That being said, I too am a big fan of RTG software- it just has that certain something that keeps me comin back for more abuse. What i DON'T like about RTG is their continued blind eye towards rogue operators, that is something that draws me towards never playing them again.

Lately it seems to be tougher, but I've gone through this before- it'll turn around, hang in there! When I'm suffering through lows such as now, I reduce my bets substancially and wait for steadier play. (there is absolutely no mathematical basis for this strategy, but it has served me reasonably well.) Experience and probability does provide for highs and lows being regular occurances in the short term sampling. For most of us, our lifetimes would be considered short term here.

If you're still having fun at RTG, keep playin there- just drop down until you get through it. When is a bad run over? trust yourself on that one, remembering 1 big win does not an upcycle make. And always bear in mind- YOU CANNOT BEAT SLOTS! you can only hope to get the best value for your entertainment dollar. Good luck, and let me know how it goes- always interested in adding to my education with others' experiences.

(..........now is when everyone tells me how full of chit I am. LOL go ahead, I can take it!)

 

[aceking123]

if it no longer becomes fun ditch them , go play elsewhere , its there loss not yours )

 

[4 of a kind]

However, recently, I have experienced 3 months no withdrawal. Cost 10K plus. Under current eco environment should I ditch all RTGs I am playing at or I should hang on for a day I could win?

thank your lucky stars and walk away while you are ahead(?). Take your winnings and invest in something you can enjoy for a long time.

Not sure if he could be considered a winner unless all RJ's hit were over 10k.

Plasticnote,

Since it appears you're a high volume player, are you saying based on your personal play that you suspect the RTP's might have been lowered recently?

It also appears you're a slot player. Since slots are 100% random I'm not sure how anyone could answer such a question, unless you want to know if any others have experienced the same recent changes your experiencing. Are your playing style and deposits any different these last three months as they were for the past few years?

What is the big change that took place that only after three months of bad runs are making you think anything is different? Certainly three months of shitty luck is nothing to panic about.

 

[plasticnote]

Not sure if he could be considered a winner unless all RJ's hit were over 10k.

Plasticnote,

Since it appears you're a high volume player, are you saying based on your personal play that you suspect the RTP's might have been lowered recently?

It also appears you're a slot player. Since slots are 100% random I'm not sure how anyone could answer such a question, unless you want to know if any others have experienced the same recent changes your experiencing. Are your playing style and deposits no different these last three months as they were for the past few years?

What is the big change that took place that only after three months of bad runs are making you think anything is different? Certainly three months of shitty luck is nothing to panic about.

Thank you for your inputs. I do not know if I am a high volume player or not comparing with some other famous players here. I have not changed my play style much. Each year, 45K strict bankroll, I had 2 moneybookers accounts and half half for MG and RTG. In the past 6 years, it never happened to me, I use my MG bankroll to feed RTG. Consider now my RTG bankroll is empty and I am 12K ahead on MG.

As I said I have no bias on RTG and I would like the vote count to decide should I keep going with them. Many long time members have much more experiences.

I am not a winner on RTG, consider I pay RTG to make me happy sometimes. Now if RTG want to raise the price for fun making, should I pay the higher price or should I get another vender? -)

By the way, has anyone had longer than 3 months losing on slots? Please do let me know, thank you for sharing the experience.

 

[4 of a kind]

Thank you for your inputs. I do not know if I am a high volume player or not comparing with some other famous players here. I have not changed my play style much. Each year, 45K strict bankroll, I had 2 moneybookers accounts and half half for MG and RTG. In the past 6 years, it never happened to me, I use my MG bankroll to feed RTG. Consider now my RTG bankroll is empty and I am 12K ahead on MG.

As I said I have no bias on RTG and I would like the vote count to decide should I keep going with them. Many long time members have much more experiences.

I am not a winner on RTG, consider I pay RTG to make me happy sometimes. Now if RTG want to raise the price for fun making, should I pay the higher price or should I get another vender? -)

45K a year is nothing to sneeze at.

MG- $22,500.00 starting bankroll. Presently $34,500.00 Balance.
RTG $22.500.00 starting bankroll. Presently $00,000.00 Balance.

So what's the question again?

 

[plasticnote]

45K a year is nothing to sneeze at.

MG- $22,500.00 starting bankroll. Presently $34,500.00 Balance.
RTG $22.500.00 starting bankroll. Presently $00,000.00 Balance.

So what's the question again?

Should I continue playing RTGs or ditch them? thank you for the vote, I will make the decision 100% based on the vote count.
by the way, the 45K is just the limit, I have not run out bankroll entirely for many years, I was caught by suprise this year, now only the end of july. CPI is too high

 

[Cleveland]

Each year, 45K strict bankroll, I had 2 moneybookers accounts and half half for MG and RTG.

edit: I needed a vote for play whatever casinos you like. But I voted no (assuming you must enjoy playing there to drop that kind of money).

 

[KasinoKing]

I nearly voted Yes, but then switched to No at the last minute...
That's because you said "Ditch them for good" which I take to mean "forever" (which is a pretty long time!)
If you had a vote option of "Give them a rest for 6-months & try something else", I would have voted for that!

You haven't said in any of your above posts whether you have ever tried any other softwares, but if not, I think you should - variety is the spice of life!
There are loads to chose from (though not all accept Australian players ), and so I would suggest you give the likes of Grand Virtual & Net Entertainment a bash... a change is as good as a rest!

KK

 

[Temperance Fox]

I didn't vote, cause the question sounds quite strange, sorry.
If in the last months you didn't cash, look around and see....are other players winning there with a good frequency?

1) yes, there are many winnings there: well, it may be your unlucky trend there,so, as already said, change platform.See what happens.

2) no, there are many people not satisfied in this period so, the right question, imo, is "shoukd we ditch the RTG ?"

3) as I always say we all have up and downs, if you won quite good in the past, this is not an insurance for the future.But we are conditioned by those winnings and we tend to return in those places where we were "happy and satisfied"

Hope you understood what I mean, in my poor english

 

[plasticnote]

I nearly voted Yes, but then switched to No at the last minute...
That's because you said "Ditch them for good" which I take to mean "forever" (which is a pretty long time!)
If you had a vote option of "Give them a rest for 6-months & try something else", I would have voted for that!

You haven't said in any of your above posts whether you have ever tried any other softwares, but if not, I think you should - variety is the spice of life!
There are loads to chose from (though not all accept Australian players ), and so I would suggest you give the likes of Grand Virtual & Net Entertainment a bash... a change is as good as a rest!

KK

thank you for the input KK. I have played at GV casinos, not click with their slots.
NetENT has been good to me, won a lot last year at nordicbet casino. I have noticed that you rarely play at any RTGs.
Advice is taken and much appreciated.

 

[ericlee]

45k,? holy bankroll batman! you must make alot of money doing whatever profession it is that you do but to most people 45k is their yearly income lol.

im a low-medium limit 1 to 3 dollar per spin guy but i feel that rtgs have also some how gotten tighter, less bonus rounds less payout per 100 spins, but as im in the usa my only other option is rival, which i do play sometimes but like you i really enjoy rtg but something in my gut tells me everything is not on the up and up.

goodluck as always

 

[Jasminebed]

Reluctantly, I picked no. Three months is not that long without a cashout, but 10K is quite a bit of dosh.

Do you usually take a bonus? I find the bonuses hard to beat more so at RTG than MG.

I think I'd probably play, but maybe at a lower level of bet, or less frequent deposits. Give your favourite casinos a rest entirely for a few weeks, you will probably be offered some "we miss you" offers to tempt you back, maybe give you a bit of chance to claw some back without dipping further into the year's funds.

Like James Bond, never say never.

Intercasino has quite a selection of games, maybe give them a shot? I assume you've played Playtech as well and have your own reasons for not mentioning them.

 

[Nifty29]

Reluctantly, I picked no. Three months is not that long without a cashout, but 10K is quite a bit of dosh.

Do you usually take a bonus? I find the bonuses hard to beat more so at RTG than MG.

I think I'd probably play, but maybe at a lower level of bet, or less frequent deposits. Give your favourite casinos a rest entirely for a few weeks, you will probably be offered some "we miss you" offers to tempt you back, maybe give you a bit of chance to claw some back without dipping further into the year's funds.

Like James Bond, never say never.

Intercasino has quite a selection of games, maybe give them a shot? I assume you've played Playtech as well and have your own reasons for not mentioning them.

I've been led to believe that it may be possible that RTG operators can set RTP on a per coupon basis.

It might explain why bonuses there are hard to beat.

 

[LaHutti]

Voted no, because my guess, after this, youll hit a RJ pretty soon.

 

[chuchu59]

Not sure if he could be considered a winner unless all RJ's hit were over 10k.

Plasticnote,

Since it appears you're a high volume player, are you saying based on your personal play that you suspect the RTP's might have been lowered recently?

It also appears you're a slot player. Since slots are 100% random I'm not sure how anyone could answer such a question, unless you want to know if any others have experienced the same recent changes your experiencing. Are your playing style and deposits any different these last three months as they were for the past few years?

What is the big change that took place that only after three months of bad runs are making you think anything is different? Certainly three months of shitty luck is nothing to panic about.

Mathematically, as long as the average RJ hit was above 10k he should be a winner.

I am also suspicious of a lowering of the rtp at rtg but it's unlikely to have much to do with the features as it would be too noticeable. This is a commercial world and I bet all licensees, other than using some methods of their own to preserve their profits, would also pressurise the software operator to do something such as loering the rtp unnoticeably. If they cant do away with the rng they can add a couple of lower paying symbols to the reels to lessen the effects of scatters paying out. It will not be easy to detect this and it would vary among the different slots. Just my 2c.

I also voted no because as long as you dont give up playing online it's better to alternate between RTG and MG both to give you more variety and somewhere else to turn to if your luck runs out in one platform.

 

[ShayDrew]

I voted no - as I assume you enjoy RTG slots. We all know we will lose overall, and while up on MG at the moment you could quite easily hit a dry spell there soon too.

As for 3 months I am there now - had a patch earlier in the year where I was on fire and a few grand up for a low roller but last three months can't hit squat!

 

[azzagirt]

rtg verses microgaming.

45K a year is nothing to sneeze at.

MG- $22,500.00 starting bankroll. Presently $34,500.00 Balance.
RTG $22.500.00 starting bankroll. Presently $00,000.00 Balance.

So what's the question again?

my sentiments too

I also have let rtg keep much more of my money than I have microgaming but played way less on rtg. I never have a winning streak with them. Shame because I really like some of their game and like yourself I sometimes am drawn to them for a change of scenery and to maybe change my luck there but no...lol. well maybe once or twice before..lol

Personally I would just shift 50/50 to 75/25 for the time being and still have your happy times..lolup:.. Good luck, God knows we all need some...

 

[just play]

I didn't want to vote because you said you would listen to whatever the outcome of the votes was. I agree with KK, if there had been another choice like he said "take a break" I would have chose that one. I think if you ditch them for good, someday you may miss them.

 

[4 of a kind]

I've been led to believe that it may be possible that RTG operators can set RTP on a per coupon basis.

It might explain why bonuses there are hard to beat.

Are you suggesting that RTG might be rigged, or are these comments just another form of your backdoor antics?

Please clarify your remarks above one way or the other for the benefit of newbie members here.

 

[zeledrith]

I personally had a 7 month losing streak at RTG, which ended last month with a 100% all games allowed bonus where I won $1600 from a $50 deposit.

Sometimes I do notice the casino just being plain mean to you, where I have gotten 30-40 free games with the minimum they can give. What I mean is like Funky Monkey only giving 8 free games, Loose Caboose only having the train move through 1 row or Jackpot Pinatas giving 5 free spins etc.

I like to play through any wagering requirements in a single session which means I sometimes sit for 5-6 hours at RTG slots and sometimes It does feel really impossible to have all features give their lowest possible outcomes for 6 hours straight.

I wouldn't outlaw them entirely but a break will be a good idea.

 

[plasticnote]

I personally had a 7 month losing streak at RTG, which ended last month with a 100% all games allowed bonus where I won $1600 from a $50 deposit.

Sometimes I do notice the casino just being plain mean to you, where I have gotten 30-40 free games with the minimum they can give. What I mean is like Funky Monkey only giving 8 free games, Loose Caboose only having the train move through 1 row or Jackpot Pinatas giving 5 free spins etc.

I like to play through any wagering requirements in a single session which means I sometimes sit for 5-6 hours at RTG slots and sometimes It does feel really impossible to have all features give their lowest possible outcomes for 6 hours straight.

I wouldn't outlaw them entirely but a break will be a good idea.

Hi zeledrith: thank you for the inputs. I have the same way for playing with WR. Once I hit a 12K JP at a RTG casino, at that time the WR still have 45K, I played with 2 $ flat bets for more than 30 some hours, no sleep. Lucky that was a weekend and only cash out 3000ish. hitting countless free spins with worst kind pay out.

 

[reda]

@ plasticnote are you kidding me??? not having a withdrawl in 3 months is common. try 6, 7 or 8 months. i just now after soooo long of a period i have quit counting , have requested a 220.00 payout from j p capital. i played on a 50 dollar chip. max cashout 250.00. got my bal up to over 600.00 playing golden lottus and lucky tiger. it may be another 6 months or more before i might be able withdrawl again. im a low roller so my hits are usually small.

 

[plasticnote]

@ plasticnote are you kidding me??? not having a withdrawl in 3 months is common. try 6, 7 or 8 months. i just now after soooo long of a period i have quit counting , have requested a 220.00 payout from j p capital. i played on a 50 dollar chip. max cashout 250.00. got my bal up to over 600.00 playing golden lottus and lucky tiger. it may be another 6 months or more before i might be able withdrawl again. im a low roller so my hits are usually small.

Hi reda:

thank you for the inputs. Hope you will do well at JPC, I hit a JP(8K+) on my first deposit with jackpot capital and my second biggest wins also from JPC. IMO, they are the best RTG out there. I do not play there anymore due to raising WR on deposit bonus. I feel 3 months are too long because I never without a withdrawal for a single month playing at MG slots. Sorry for the situation in US, you guys do not have much choice.

 

[zeledrith]

Actually come to think of it, I never have a long winning streak with RTG. I too am doing way better on MG casinos, and 90% of the sessions on MG at some point I am above my deposit.

Still a random jackpot virgin too, so thats not helping me any.

I think I'm going to take a break from them too

 

[kidice]

3 MONTHS?? Hell, I've been losing most my life, LOL! But, oh yeah.... I have had 3months+ of losing losing losing. 3 months was just getting warmed up on one downward spiral. Took up fishing for awhile instead- was nice being on the other side of the hook for once.

Best advice I've read was: "If you're no longer enjoying RTG, ditch 'em!"

It can be sooo frustrating I know. been there. I could show you a mountain of smashed mouses and keypads (and 3 monitors) to prove it, too! (but, the doctor says I'm much better now.....) Best one I've ever seen was a pic a friend sent me of his computer desk- It was matchsticks. He said he literally tore it to pieces with his bare hands. I never laughed so hard in my life.........but, I digress......

Drop to the minimum and ride it out. It'll get better before you're married!

 

[plasticnote]

3 MONTHS?? Hell, I've been losing most my life, LOL! But, oh yeah.... I have had 3months+ of losing losing losing. 3 months was just getting warmed up on one downward spiral. Took up fishing for awhile instead- was nice being on the other side of the hook for once.

Best advice I've read was: "If you're no longer enjoying RTG, ditch 'em!"

It can be sooo frustrating I know. been there. I could show you a mountain of smashed mouses and keypads (and 3 monitors) to prove it, too! (but, the doctor says I'm much better now.....) Best one I've ever seen was a pic a friend sent me of his computer desk- It was matchsticks. He said he literally tore it to pieces with his bare hands. I never laughed so hard in my life.........but, I digress......

Drop to the minimum and ride it out. It'll get better before you're married!

Hi kidice:

Your comments are hilarious and made my day. Thank you. Hope you getting better.
I sometimes feel the same rage towards RTGs' slots, but as a nerd, I am lack of that kind of strength. Your advise is appreciated.

Cheers

 

[nisosbar]

I haven't ditched them, but what I have done is deposit much less frequently, and smaller deposits, than I did before many of the online casinos pulled out. The hoops and rogueish behavior of a portion of RTG casinos makes it not worth it, IMO.

I still love Club World and High Noon, though, and would never want to stop playing there permanently. And also Slots Jungle occasionally, or Slots Oasis.

But it definitely has become less fun, and will likely become even LESS so, as time wears on.

 

[Nate]

I dabble on the odd occasion on RTG... My luck is not there when it come to playing their slots. I voted Ditch 'Em....

In any event, I would limit my play there. I deposit maybe once or twice every second month on RTG. My deposits have also dropped there significantly. I do not really enjoy their games nor do i expect to win big there. I suppose it's a mindset. I only play when I get bored with MG (Which will always be my primary brand of choice)

I have tried other software providers, 3Dice, NetEnt etc..... I have found a bit of a liking to 3Dice and NetEnt. My luck at 3Dice is horrible. I lost a packet there and don't deposit much at all there anymore. At NetEnt I managed to get a nice balance there a few times, but haven't made a WD yet.

Something with RTG does not sit well with me... Maybe its the amount of Rogues they have, or the fact that they love confiscating winnings for vague and sometimes legitimate reasons. They don't seem very friendly either and would jump at the chance to void winnings and return deposits. I have seen this for the best of RTG's out there and my confidence is somewhat lacking when it comes to them. This of course is my personal perception of them.

If you feel that your luck is not good there, rather play at MG dude!

Nate

 

[plasticnote]

I haven't ditched them, but what I have done is deposit much less frequently, and smaller deposits, than I did before many of the online casinos pulled out. The hoops and rogueish behavior of a portion of RTG casinos makes it not worth it, IMO.

I still love Club World and High Noon, though, and would never want to stop playing there permanently. And also Slots Jungle occasionally, or Slots Oasis.

But it definitely has become less fun, and will likely become even LESS so, as time wears on.

Kill the goose for the egg, that what I felt, soon some casinos will wonder where are those whales gone?

Here is my state at one RTG casino I played for 2.5 years:

Total
Deposits $99717
Withdrawals $62605
RTP 94.4%

2010
Deposits: $31982
Withdrawals $15526
RTP 92%

2011 1st half
Depoists $22061
Withdrawals: $12426
RTP 92.5%
---------------------------------
this is based on my moneybookers
Last 3 months(5 6 7)
Depoists $9173
Withdrawals: 0
RTP?

I am not here to bashing RTGs, but is it doing their any good to piss off long time and loyal customers?

Just make me wonder?

I think I have played long and hard enough to see the full up and down cycle, but 3 months still a bit hurt my feeling.

 

[plasticnote]

I dabble on the odd occasion on RTG... My luck is not there when it come to playing their slots. I voted Ditch 'Em....

In any event, I would limit my play there. I deposit maybe once or twice every second month on RTG. My deposits have also dropped there significantly. I do not really enjoy their games nor do i expect to win big there. I suppose it's a mindset. I only play when I get bored with MG (Which will always be my primary brand of choice)

I have tried other software providers, 3Dice, NetEnt etc..... I have found a bit of a liking to 3Dice and NetEnt. My luck at 3Dice is horrible. I lost a packet there and don't deposit much at all there anymore. At NetEnt I managed to get a nice balance there a few times, but haven't made a WD yet.

Something with RTG does not sit well with me... Maybe its the amount of Rogues they have, or the fact that they love confiscating winnings for vague and sometimes legitimate reasons. They don't seem very friendly either and would jump at the chance to void winnings and return deposits. I have seen this for the best of RTG's out there and my confidence is somewhat lacking when it comes to them. This of course is my personal perception of them.

If you feel that your luck is not good there, rather play at MG dude!

Nate

Thanks Nate for the input, I admire your play style and like your post. Our playing experience I felt are much alike. I used to enjoy RTG slots because their slots are Aussie Pokie style, and 95% RTP comparing with pub and TAB pokie which is 84%.
I felt like a kid in candy store. However,nowadays, most time I feel that RTGs rtp is becoming worse than pub and TAB. I rather go to Star City and play 92% and get paid in cash with free meal, free room and sometimes free girls.

I am not 3 Dice, playTech fun either, however, I do not play them often, If I ditched RTG, I would put half bankroll on NetEnt. Last year I won 9000ish from one session and that was my 5th deposit at netEnt.

By the way, you are not alone felt even legit RTGs would rather setup traps in T&S, in my entire play history, I got once and once only caught by T&S trap which cost USD 15000. this is a reputable RTG, so I do not blame them because I was the one who did not go through few full pages long of terms. Since then, the casino has removed that specifc term, but also it cost a good customer. Really, is it worth it? The term was funny, nothing regard games, betting or how you play. It was that you have a win cap before certain amount of deposits.

Cheers

 

[Silencio]

Bodog casino has all the rtg games, used to be powered by rtg, but they bought their own license or something lol.. Anyhow they use their own software and games but still have the rtg ones
Maybe a good idea for those few still reputable rival casino's

 

[plasticnote]

After few days of consideration and gave another 500 on 5 seperate deposits at 3 different RTG casinos,
I decide to stop playing RTG all together.

I will stay on MG casinos and will spend 1/3 of my bankroll on NetEnt casinos.

Thank you for everyone voting and offering good suggestions.

Appreciated it!

 

[fanihi]

Thanks for the post..I've decided to ditch too.

After few days of consideration and gave another 500 on 5 seperate deposits at 3 different RTG casinos,
I decide to stop playing RTG all together.

I will stay on MG casinos and will spend 1/3 of my bankroll on NetEnt casinos.

Thank you for everyone voting and offering good suggestions.

Appreciated it!

Well I am in no means any highroller but have been playing OL slots since
Poker's Black Friday and have NEVER withdrawn anything and had only been
able to clear a WR twice out of hundreds of deposits. Have played strictly RTG
sites. And these past two months have been very punishing. Before at least I
could enjoy the playtime...but recently...its like a vacuum cleaner....seems the
slots were turned into suction mode with no returns. 1 slot (alladins) retriggered
free spins twice in a round (75 spins total) thought to myself "finally" gonna get
a little payback!!!!! BEEP BOO Ya Right? 60c a spin...total freespin win Less than $60.
Sorry but no thanks!!!! RTG Casinos getting the boot from my pc. Only problem now is
no where else to play...oh well. 3dice LUV their reputation and their live chat and all,
but honestly...the slots just dont appeal to me. (Also if I may just post an observation)
I base this observation soley on the tournament traffic at the casinos so in no way
is scientific....But why do the ROUGED sites have heavier traffic than the Acreddited sites?
This really puzzles me. Any news on when MG will allow U.S players again? Hafa Adai All!!!!

 

[Nifty29]

Kill the goose for the egg, that what I felt, soon some casinos will wonder where are those whales gone?

Here is my state at one RTG casino I played for 2.5 years:

Total
Deposits $99717
Withdrawals $62605
RTP 94.4%

2010
Deposits: $31982
Withdrawals $15526
RTP 92%

2011 1st half
Depoists $22061
Withdrawals: $12426
RTP 92.5%
---------------------------------
this is based on my moneybookers
Last 3 months(5 6 7)
Depoists $9173
Withdrawals: 0
RTP?

I am not here to bashing RTGs, but is it doing their any good to piss off long time and loyal customers?

Just make me wonder?

I think I have played long and hard enough to see the full up and down cycle, but 3 months still a bit hurt my feeling.

What's the problem with these figures? In fact, they are pretty good and well within expectation for slots with RTPs of 90%+.

You also have to take into account the times that you were well ahead and didnt cashout.

If you genuinely expect to actually be in front after 2.5 years playing slots then you are not being realistic. The vast majority of the time, you need to hit a huge random or progressive to keep your nose in front.

You will most likely find after the same amount of time using another software your results will be similar and possibly worse.

You just cannot expect to win in the long run people.

@fahini

Your main problem from what you say is that you take bonuses all the time.

When I stopped taking bonuses (except under strict conditions) my results improved dramatically. You should try it.

 

[plasticnote]

What's the problem with these figures? In fact, they are pretty good and well within expectation for slots with RTPs of 90%+.

You also have to take into account the times that you were well ahead and didnt cashout.

If you genuinely expect to actually be in front after 2.5 years playing slots then you are not being realistic. The vast majority of the time, you need to hit a huge random or progressive to keep your nose in front.

You will most likely find after the same amount of time using another software your results will be similar and possibly worse.

You just cannot expect to win in the long run people.

@fahini

Your main problem from what you say is that you take bonuses all the time.

When I stopped taking bonuses (except under strict conditions) my results improved dramatically. You should try it.

Nifty29, Please read the state for month 5 6 7 this year. I wonder if you consider that is OK - deposit 10K and without even single possible withdraw?

I did not expect that I am always ahead, I expect fair amount of action for the money, got it?

1st half 2011 before April, My RTP was about 110%+, I was ahead, I knew at that time there would be a losing trend, but I never think it is
so forceful and so brutal. It is so artifical...

Anyway, thank you for the input.

cheers

 

[zeledrith]

I quit RTG for another reason altogether.

I was doing terribad for the longest time at most of the CWCs, I think it was almost a 5 month losing streak.

I started playing very conservatively and took 100% all games bonuses only and depositing only $30-$50 instead of my usual $100-200.

I won $2000+ at Lucky Red from 2 bonuses, and the next bonus I claimed I was rejected.

This was a bonus which was e-mailed to me but unable to claim, live chat told me its due to the status of my account.

I guess my status was winning? Haha.

And I was playing mostly slots with dollar bets to clear the wagering requirements as thats where I enjoy the most.

Recent attempts to play RTG have resulted in short vacuum sessions with almost zero playtime.

I give up, uninstalled them all, I think its for the better~

 

[Nifty29]

Nifty29, Please read the state for month 5 6 7 this year. I wonder if you consider that is OK - deposit 10K and without even single possible withdraw?

I did not expect that I am always ahead, I expect fair amount of action for the money, got it?

1st half 2011 before April, My RTP was about 110%+, I was ahead, I knew at that time there would be a losing trend, but I never think it is
so forceful and so brutal. It is so artifical...

Anyway, thank you for the input.

cheers

It's not "artificial". It's playing games where the house has an edge. Depending on the bonuses you take, you actually make the house edge larger.

We all see runs like that, just as we have all seen times when we cant lose.

When you say you "couldn't cash out" do you mean you couldn't meet WR or you were never more than 3x your deposit? If its the latter, you should reconsider your withdrawal point. If its the former, you should stop taking bonuses.

 

[SlotsLover]

without voting in this poll

Let me state (just my humble opinion) that I only wish there were more RTG casinos. I love their software and I feel beyond any doubt that the games are fair.

The problem is one of the psychology of slots. Most of the time you lose, sometimes you win big. Even though the RTP is 90-95%, the vast majority of times the return will be a lot lower over quite some time because of the skewness of the results distribution. For example, when one gets a bonus round of 15 free games tripled, the 'expected' return is 15x3xRTP, which, for a $1 bet would be approx $42. However, the majority of bonus rounds returns far less than this, because the RTP is skewed by the occasional large hits (see, for example the 1000x thread). Because of this vast skewness, the long run can be thousands of spins, if not much more, and it's very easy to believe the games are 'controlled', the flip gets switched, etc etc etc.

My argument remains, if the casinos could flip the switch, why would any players be bonus barred? The casino would just flip the switch on all big winners and get even.

Bad runs are the nature of gambling, and even more so if that gambling is slot machines.

 

[plasticnote]

It's not "artificial". It's playing games where the house has an edge. Depending on the bonuses you take, you actually make the house edge larger.

We all see runs like that, just as we have all seen times when we cant lose.

When you say you "couldn't cash out" do you mean you couldn't meet WR or you were never more than 3x your deposit? If its the latter, you should reconsider your withdrawal point. If its the former, you should stop taking bonuses.

I admit I could not make the Wager. But I wonder why I could not with so many try?
Does bonus from RTG have its own rtp settings?

 

[Nifty29]

I admit I could not make the Wager. But I wonder why I could not with so many try?
Does bonus from RTG have its own rtp settings?

No they don't AFAIK. I.e I haven't seen evidence to the contrary.

I was just like you once....I really feel your pain.

The best thing I ever did was stop taking bonuses all the time.

I have some basic rules that have improved my results remarkably:

1. Don't take a bonus unless it is 15xDB or less for slots, or 25xDB for video poker. Anything less almost certainly means a win for the casino. I avoid non-cashable bonuses.

2. When playing without a bonus, withdraw at 5xD e.g dep $50, reach $250, cashout $200 and leave $50 to keep going. You then have four more sessions you can afford and possibly win!

3. If you deposit and lose, and you still want to play, go to a different casino. Don't chase losses (I usually go to different software)

4. Bet according to bankroll. I.e don't bet $2 a spin if you deposit $50. Allow for 75-100 spins. If you want to bet $1-1.25 deposit $75 minimum.

5. If short on funds and you REALLY want to take a bonus that you normally wouldn't, deposit the minimum to get it and bet as you would as if you didn't take it.


Now, it does take discipline, but its not as tough to get used to as you think.....and it will definitely improve your bottom line. It doesn't mean you will certainly win, but you will lose less which means more bang for your buck.

I have a few other little things I do but I don't want to seem like I'm lecturing....I'm trying to help as I can sympathize with you.

Give it a try. You can't do any worse!

 

[chuchu59]

No, you arent lecturing Nifty. I take it as good advice. The problem with rtg bonuses is that they lump the deposit with bonus in calculating wrs. This is in complete contrast to MG's clearplay/ez play bonus where you have to wager 30x on slots to clear every $10 in bonus and which is totally unrelated to the deposit. Of course in many instances your deposit is locked until you have cleared all bonus playthru but hey it still 30x B.

 

[daveboz]

No they don't AFAIK. I.e I haven't seen evidence to the contrary.

I was just like you once....I really feel your pain.

The best thing I ever did was stop taking bonuses all the time.

I have some basic rules that have improved my results remarkably:

1. Don't take a bonus unless it is 15xDB or less for slots, or 25xDB for video poker. Anything less almost certainly means a win for the casino. I avoid non-cashable bonuses.

2. When playing without a bonus, withdraw at 5xD e.g dep $50, reach $250, cashout $200 and leave $50 to keep going. You then have four more sessions you can afford and possibly win!

3. If you deposit and lose, and you still want to play, go to a different casino. Don't chase losses (I usually go to different software)

4. Bet according to bankroll. I.e don't bet $2 a spin if you deposit $50. Allow for 75-100 spins. If you want to bet $1-1.25 deposit $75 minimum.

5. If short on funds and you REALLY want to take a bonus that you normally wouldn't, deposit the minimum to get it and bet as you would as if you didn't take it.


Now, it does take discipline, but its not as tough to get used to as you think.....and it will definitely improve your bottom line. It doesn't mean you will certainly win, but you will lose less which means more bang for your buck.

I have a few other little things I do but I don't want to seem like I'm lecturing....I'm trying to help as I can sympathize with you.

Give it a try. You can't do any worse!

"Bet according to bankroll. I.e don't bet $2 a spin if you deposit $50. Allow for 75-100 spins. If you want to bet $1-1.25 deposit $75 minimum."


This coming from a guy who says you need a minimum of $500 or better yet $1k to survive the swings in $1 video poker? LOL! Which is what I do now!

75-100 SPINS? I thought I was the master of poor bankroll management but the above quoted statement takes the cake. If I deposited $250 I would never bet over a $1 a spin. If one is depositing $75-$100 at a time and spinning at a $1 a pop they are most likely broke or play occasionally and just go for it. I suspect those on this forum are not occasional players though.

If you are winning money spinning at that rate and live outside the USA then we are truly being conned over here. I just start to feel comfortable really with $1k at $2 a spin and when I step up to $5 or $6.25 it is after 300 spins hoping the feature will hit cause I'm due.

Nifty I hope whatever credibility you did have here is not shot now. You claim many of us have no idea what we're talking about. Well, the above quote was straight from the horses mouth.

 

[chuchu59]

Actually, this is one of those rare occasions where Nifty is offering comments in a normal way and it should be applauded. Dave, do you seriously want to antogonise him and start a battle of words?

 

[rockycatt]

to the O P=[ x ] yes
[ ] no

when in doubt toss it out

 

[daveboz]

Actually, this is one of those rare occasions where Nifty is offering comments in a normal way and it should be applauded. Dave, do you seriously want to antogonise him and start a battle of words?

No, but he deserves a lashing over a recommendation like that. 1-1.25 per spin $75 minimum deposit! LOL!