Feature Guarantees - RTG -- How long do you spin?

[daveboz]

On topic here, I usually will spin no more than 50 times, unless it's playing hot. If a game is cold, I move on. Sometimes I will save the feature build for later sometimes not, it has been about 50/50 that I get it.
I do like that the feature will save for another time, even if I play it in several wager amounts, each one will be saved for when I come back to it.
Not crazy about the Mice Dice, although interesting concept, I don't like paying $40 to get it and winning only $25 back, which does happen, just doesn't appeal to me.
Also as stated by another poster, if I am paying the extra mandatory wager deduction for the Guarantee, it should play a bit differently than the standard FG ones and continue to build on the Guarantee even if I get the feature in the less than 100 spins.
Having it zero your status on the FG if you hit the feature before 100 spins makes it completely the same as the other guarantee games, except you are paying more for it than your standard wager.
For it to be non standard FG, it should hold your status and continue to build, afterall, it's not like you will get good feature hits all the time.

Dogboy, could this be considered?

"I don't like paying $40 to get it and winning only $25 back, which does happen, just doesn't appeal to me."

Better get used to it at an RTG casino. It's pretty common across the board. It's gotten to a point now where you will have a losing session even after hitting a feature.

Speaking of Goldbeard.. I hit the feature on a $10 bet today, two spins in hit a retrigger, 32 spins total at $10, I was thinking what a nice cashout ahead of me. Paid a lousy $450... That is not much folks for that size bet. Especially 30+ free spins.

Thursday I hit White Rhino and a retrigger another 30+ at $12.50. Great start to feature up like $1,400. The next 27 spins paid $400 what a joke!

[XOXOXOXOXOX]

For games like Mice Dice i think may be it a good idea to make FG+ fees optional like some features at intercasino for example.

As for how long i spin - i usually try my luck as soon as i hit about 20% and leave

[chuchu59]

__________________________________________________ ______________________
Let me start by saying I enjoy participation in CM because it IS moderated. However, IMO this is over zealous moderation. I have reported posts in past where individuals were being attacked, belittled, demeaned etc --- I have a very low threshold for mean spirited posts personal attacks and foul language. But this doesn't fit any of those categories.

This is not a violation of the rules IMO. I think you may have over-reacted here. But as you said let Bryan, Max, or Simmo make the final decision. I understand that Nifty crossed the rules in the past, but are we perhaps taking it too far with this one line?

And ................WOW - what a derail of my original post!

Diane

Diane

Taking pre-emptive action is part of a moderator's job and I applaud Webscaz for doing so. Given that Nifty is at loggerheads with a good many posters it is high possible that they read his post as confrontational and branded some as unintelligent. Nifty has always been nice to me but some of his posts do come accross as being a bit pushy so a mod had to do something otherwise this might escalate into a war of words./ Not saying this will definitely happen but prevention is always better than cure. Dogboy's contribution to the forum is nothing to be sneezed at and one should look no farther than jod's post for an example of what might constitute a recognition of his contribution.

[jod5413]

Thanks for the kind words, Chuchu. However, do not forget the rest of my post. I consider myself an adult. I try to always be polite. I find it is not always possible to be nice. I apologize if I think I am wrong, if not I do not. If I slip up, I count on my friends and maybe a PM from a mod telling me to knock it off. I would not appreciate (and neither would you) a public scolding like a young child would get.

If I do not think a post is nice or right, I usually use the neg rep button, as some of you might know. I expect the same of everyone else, if they think I am out of line. If so many here are so weak in the knees that they have to report a post (I have done it once or twice, in extreme reluctance over really ugly stuff) fine. But to publicly chastise a member and then totally ignore posts after it that are ugly, is not fair or honest. Strictly my opinion, of course.

There seems to be an ongoing attitude of say anything you want but get anyone else in trouble if they act the same. Whatever.......................................... ...nevermind.


Sorry for the de-rail, people

[DogBoy001]

For games like Mice Dice i think may be it a good idea to make FG+ fees optional like some features at intercasino for example.

As for how long i spin - i usually try my luck as soon as i hit about 20% and leave

Heya,

Optional extra bets will certainly appear in many upcoming FG games.
Several others will have the FG included without an extra bet (but the compensation is less RTP for the base game, and a higher FG meter reset).
And a few more will have compulsory FG bets.

The optional system will likely become the most common.

Woooof

[Gremmyboy]

I really don't see the big problem with the feature guarantee?
My thoughts are if you don't like the game or the way it functions then don't play it.
The slots are made for everyone to enjoy and cover a wide demographic of people.
The designers need to take this in to account and design a host of different games that will appeal to a multitude of different players. Some you will like and some you will not; The choice is yours.

MG have a similar system with the Golden Goose series of games and I have heard no complaints about that at all. On Golden Goose slots you pay a premium to be in the 'running' to win the special features of the slot. I believe RTG's Feature Gaurantee is no different to this concept at all.....It just seems to cop all the heat!

We all have choices and I truly feel that if you dislike a particular slot, then why play it?

Personally I think that RTG's slots are alot better designed and more interesting than MG slots. I do dislike the maximum win amount of 50,000 xbet immensely though!

Cheers
Gremmy

[KasinoKing]

I do dislike the maximum win amount of 50,000 xbet immensely though!

Thanks for the reminder!
While we have DogBoy back on board (which I appreciate immensely!), perhaps he can answer these questions:

1) Why EXACTLY do RTG have these max win caps (when other softwares do not)?
2) Is the max win cap factored in to the final RTP figure for the slot, and if so, how?

KK

[Nifty29]

Thanks for the reminder!
While we have DogBoy back on board (which I appreciate immensely!), perhaps he can answer these questions:

1) Why EXACTLY do RTG have these max win caps (when other softwares do not)?
2) Is the max win cap factored in to the final RTP figure for the slot, and if so, how?

KK

Good questions.

Once again dogboy, please stick around. Just ignore the nay-sayers.....they just like saying nay

[DogBoy001]

Thanks for the reminder!
While we have DogBoy back on board (which I appreciate immensely!), perhaps he can answer these questions:

1) Why EXACTLY do RTG have these max win caps (when other softwares do not)?
2) Is the max win cap factored in to the final RTP figure for the slot, and if so, how?

KK

Heya, and thanks

1) Firstly, I would point out that caps are present in many B&M jurisdictions (including yours and mine).
I think it's the magnitude of the cap that is at issue in certain games, but as it's a commercial decision it's not one I can comment on further.
I will bring up thoughts on a higher cap in some games with RTG, but it's nothing I can make promises on.
Also note that the progressives are uncapped, and therefore not subject to 2) below.

2) Max win calculations are a standard component, as they are in the B&M jurisdictions.

In the vast majority of games, including Realm of Riches above, the RTP effect of the cap is negligible (less than 1/10th of 1%), so it doesn't allow for really any game design difference (such as higher prizes or more free games) compared to the same game without a cap.
Even Mystic Dragon and Paydirt clocked in around the 0.1% cap impact.

2 games spring to mind as having a larger impact (Raindance and Triple Twister), but even then it was slightly over 1% in the case of Rain Dance and slightly under 1% in the case of Triple Twister, and enabled a minimal shift upwards in one symbol's prize value during the design process.

Woooof

[chuchu59]

Thanks for the reminder!
While we have DogBoy back on board (which I appreciate immensely!), perhaps he can answer these questions:

1) Why EXACTLY do RTG have these max win caps (when other softwares do not)?
2) Is the max win cap factored in to the final RTP figure for the slot, and if so, how?

KK

Seems the only reason for that is to limit losses for the casinos in case some high rollers get lucky. On the flip-side, what I dont understand is why the commission deducted for games like Baccarat and Pai-gow poker is at least 0.25 even on bets of $1 or $2. Surely the software can be designed as in MG or even PT and Rival to deduct exactly 5% as commission. This is clearly disadvantageous to the low-rollers.