What Happened To RTG's Slots I.S.I.S. 300, The Shark & Others?

[X-Raided]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet and if it has been
mentioned, my apologies.

I recently signed up with iNetBet because I noticed on their site that
I.S.I.S. 300 was there, along with The Shark,
Crazy Dragon, El Toro, Frozen Assets, The Big Heist, Card Shark,
It's Good to be Bad, Super Diamond Mine, WinAMillion and Light Speed.
I seriously joined up at iNetBet because on their site it lists them. I've been playing at
Jackpot Capital and Club World to get my RTG fix, but haven't seen
them there. I was under the impression that maybe only selected RTG casinos
had the mentioned slots above.

Here are the links to iNetBet's site where it lists them...
Old / Expired Link
Look under slots, Multi-Line Slots & Progressive Games

It appears that (most?) if not all RTG casinos might have removed them.

Can we get some forum experts and/or affiliates to elaborate as to why
they are non-existent now?

 

[jod5413]

I went through your link and, under Progessive slots, your I.S.I.S.300 was right there?

 

[X-Raided]

I went through your link and, under Progessive slots, your I.S.I.S.300 was right there?

Sure, it's on the link for their site but it's none existent inside the
casino.

 

[jod5413]

You are right, X-Raided. Did you try to e-mail them for an explanation?

 

[X-Raided]

You are right, X-Raided. Did you try to e-mail them for an explanation?

Yes Ma'am I did. Haven't yet received a response. Jackpot Capital's live
chat was not helpful either.

 

[The Viking]

well dont hold your breath if you email them i did mail inetbet 2 weeks ago still waiting for a reply

 

[anniemac]

Not at CW or Lucky Club either. I don't play them so never noticed.

 

[zanzibar]

I am trying to find out the same thing.

More importantly, what happened to the money in the progressive jackpot pool for The Shark, IRIS and Crazy Dragon?

 

[mistertee]

I have been playing RTG casinos for a few years and have never seen those games ! I think those games are a different software !!

 

[funeral979]

These are indeed RTG games.

If I am not mistaken, all were progressives?

The only one I ever played was Shark....and I too wonder what happened to the jackpot money...??

 

[Nifty29]

Wow.

Yes, what DID happen to all those jackpots?

We are talking serious cash here.

Maybe its time to alert Bryan? It would be the roguest act of all time if they just kept it.

 

[Brooklyn]

Is this at all RTG casinos? I checked the few I had on my PC, and I don't see them either. I will be interested to see if any RTG reps come into the thread and shed a bit of light on the situation...

 

[Jasminebed]

These games have been MIA for a while. I used to enjoy Crazy Dragon and would play it when my balance was up a bit.

 

[zanzibar]

These are the jackpots according to the last values my site has tracked in our database:

IRIS 3000: $285,013
Crazy Dragon: $17,050
The Shark: $141,183

And the date we last recorded a change in their values was Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:41 GMT. So its safe to assume that they have not been playable since then.

 

[Nifty29]

So where is that $450,000 now???

The RTG christmas party?

We need some answers here and quick.

My suggestion would be a series of slot tourneys via the reputable licensees to redistribute these funds back to where they originated I.e THE PLAYERS.

Can you imagine the hop-hah if MG just removed major millions one day and didn't say a word to players?

 

[rainmaker]

So where is that $450,000 now???

The RTG christmas party?

We need some answers here and quick.

My suggestion would be a series of slot tourneys via the reputable licensees to redistribute these funds back to where they originated I.e THE PLAYERS.

Can you imagine the hop-hah if MG just removed major millions one day and didn't say a word to players?

RTG christmas party

 

[zanzibar]

Strange coincidence... there was a story in the news today that Atlantic City has just gotten rid of the law that forced casinos to pay out progressive jackpots if they decide to remove a game.

 

[X-Raided]

So where is that $450,000 now???

The RTG christmas party?

We need some answers here and quick.

My suggestion would be a series of slot tourneys via the reputable licensees to redistribute these funds back to where they originated I.e THE PLAYERS.

Can you imagine the hop-hah if MG just removed major millions one day and didn't say a word to players?

Excellent point Nifty.

Where is Nicholas Johnson at or any other RTG rep to answer our questions?
Now I REALLY want to know where/why those slots that I've mentioned have Houdini'ed

 

[vinylweatherman]

RTG want us to trust them, and then they pull yet ANOTHER stunt like this. Players should have been informed about the removal, and also told what would happen to the progressive pools.

The obvious, and easily justified, would have been to share the total between the progressive pools on the currently available progressive games.

The problem is that players cannot trust them with the CURRENT progressives - what is to stop them from removing one of these, and not explaining what happened to the pool.

Who do they think they are - Top Game!

 

[amatrine]

I noticed they disappeared a long time ago. I LOVED the diamond mine game.
Always wondered this myself.

I know there is no way they were all won in one day and the games gone.

 

[jod5413]

I noticed they disappeared a long time ago. I LOVED the diamond mine game.
Always wondered this myself.

I know there is no way they were all won in one day and the games gone.

The diamond games are still available. Diamond Mine and Diamond Mine Deluxe. I still play them at Inetbet.

 

[X-Raided]

The diamond games are still available. Diamond Mine and Diamond Mine Deluxe. I still play them at Inetbet.

I sure wish a rep could come in and clarify what the hell happened to these
progressive slots.

 

[pokerdan]

Interesting I just found this and the slots and progressives are listed and are currently going up as i type.. You cannot play these games but the progressives are still listed??

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[Gremmyboy]

All the links go through the affiliate and then end up at Luck Red. Are the games actually at Lucky Red still?

Don't have an account there so can't check.

Cheers
Gremmy

 

[slotobob]

no luckyred does not have em

 

[zanzibar]

The numbers on that site are not accurate. It looks to me that the values are being artificially incremented from a starting value so that they appear to be increasing quicker than they do in reality. Refresh the page repeatedly and watch the values increase over and over again.

For example the current value inside the High Noon casino client for Jackpot Pinatas is $1,698,432 and change. Whereas that site has is at least $10,000 more and constantly increasing. It also recommends King Solomons Casino as a great RTG to play at even though it hasn't had RTG software for years and when it did it was basically rogue.

I have contacted a few casino managers and affiliate managers about this but so far no response.

 

[uxix]

No reply for a rep yet..

Never heard of ANYONE ever winning an RTG progressive but we NEED to know where the money went?

 

[Andrewjon0075]

hey thanks zanzibar. Some how the i can not seem to be able to find the thank button to officially thank you. i haven't played much with RTG so not really aware, but it looks like quite a few people seem to me having a problem with it here.

 

[The Dude]

Answers

Okay, as requested I've contacted RTG about these games. They were taken down because they just weren't getting much game play - they decided it was time to take them off-line.

The funds were inserted into other jackpots - please bear in mind that the total amount of the jackpot is not strictly "player funds". For instance, if a jackpot starts at $100k and reaches $133k, only $33k and some of the seed were from player funds.

They have special accounts set aside for these games...they don't touch these funds and when a game is taken out, the growth part is placed towards a new game. In the past, they've launched progressives like Aztec Millions and Jackpot Pinatas this way.

Hope that answers some of your questions.

 

[KasinoKing]

- please bear in mind that the total amount of the jackpot is not strictly "player funds". For instance, if a jackpot starts at $100k and reaches $133k, only $33k and some of the seed were from player funds.

Are you sure that's right?
I mean, where does the initial $100K come from, if not from the players?
I would have thought they factor that in to the calculations so that the average value when the jackpot is hit is all covered by player contributions.

And why didn't they tell the players?
I remember when Wagerworks removed some of their progressive slots, they told everyone, and all players got a chance to win a bit of it. I can't remember exactly how they did it now, but that's definitely what happened.

KK

 

[The Dude]

Are you sure that's right?
I mean, where does the initial $100K come from, if not from the players?
I would have thought they factor that in to the calculations so that the average value when the jackpot is hit is all covered by player contributions.

And why didn't they tell the players?
I remember when Wagerworks removed some of their progressive slots, they told everyone, and all players got a chance to win a bit of it. I can't remember exactly how they did it now, but that's definitely what happened.

KK

Further from RTG:

KasinoKing is correct that the seed is factored in but when there is very little play over time, the seed never gets fully funded and if it hit, we pay the difference…this has happened to us over the years for some large jackpots...

Re. KK’s question…what we’ve done is added the funds to the seed for a bigger original seed and modified the contribution so it is taken into account...

One last update regarding big hits.

We paid out $1,44M in late 2009 to Club World for a hit on Aztec Millions…this was paid in full.
+++++++++

As for why they didn't say anything? RTG (like many software providers) don't publish press releases when they remove games. It's like admitting your games suck

Just my extrapolation - that's all.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Further from RTG:

KasinoKing is correct that the seed is factored in but when there is very little play over time, the seed never gets fully funded and if it hit, we pay the difference…this has happened to us over the years for some large jackpots...

Mathematically, that's bollocks - just ask Michael Shackleford. The probabilty of hitting a progressive in any spin remains the same, and it does not matter what the average interval between spins is. A little played game will not fund the pool so quickly, but less play means a LOWER chance of the progressive being hit in a given time period. RTG are just as likely to have to "pay the difference" on a popular game where, by chance, the progressive hits more frequently that the expected frequency. The progressive being won does not lower the probability of each subsequent spin winning, so a couple of hits in a row will cause the seed to be won before it has been recouped, and this will be the case regardless of how popular the game is.

The main reason for getting rid of an unpopular game is that it's pool is sitting in a game that few players use, and so does not "earn it's keep" by attracting players to the game, and is better utilised being transferred to an already popular game, making it even MORE attractive. RTG launched 2 new progressives, but by removing older and unpopular ones, they have managed to achieve this without having even more of their capital tied up.


Re. KK’s question…what we’ve done is added the funds to the seed for a bigger original seed and modified the contribution so it is taken into account...

One last update regarding big hits.

We paid out $1,44M in late 2009 to Club World for a hit on Aztec Millions…this was paid in full.
+++++++++

As for why they didn't say anything? RTG (like many software providers) don't publish press releases when they remove games. It's like admitting your games suck

Just my extrapolation - that's all.

The risk is that even an unpopular game has SOME fans, and it is these fans that notice that their favourite game has been removed "for no reason", and so wonder what the "big secret" is regarding the removal of what for them was a very POPULAR game.

RTG also removed all their "bonus" 3 reel classic slots, ones such as "Frozen Assets". Whilst no doubt "cutting edge" when created, they were pretty simple compared to later game developments, and the simplicity of their bonus rounds can make the game "boring" after you have played it for a while. Maybe RTG didn't want their product to become over bloated like MGS, so began to review older games to see if they were worth keeping.

MGS seem unwilling to remove old games, and they have been named winners of "bloatware of the year" awards by many players, even to the point where players stopped playing because the product was too bloated, rather than because they didn't like the games. Removal of "clones" might be something MGS should consider, but it seems they like being able to advertise that their product offers many more games than the rest, with some MGS casinos now boasting "more than 450 games".

 

[zanzibar]

Its an interesting one. IRIS seeds at $100,000, the other two for $1000 and $2000. They launched Shopping Spree II so you could assume the money went there but that started at around $200,000. So the numbers still don't really add up to the $440,000 or so but I don't think we'll ever get a straight answer. One thing I do know after looking at a few graphs of the time period is that they didn't put the money into their other existing jackpots, unless they split it up into insignificant amounts.