Player sues casino

[rainmaker]

I wrote a post on my Casinomeister blog about a player who is suing Centrebet for his gambling losses . The case is pending.

I would like to know what you think in general. Can a casino in some circumstances be liable for a player's gambling losses?




Blog post:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...d-casinos.html

[ksech]

Personally, I don't think an online casino would be responsible for repaying gambling losses if nothing illegal was done on their part. Now, if the player had opted to self-exclude due to a gambling problem, and then the casino allowed them to reopen their account, then I think they should be held PARTIALLY responsible for "aiding and abetting".

Otherwise, how many other frustrated players would try to do the same thing? It all revolves around responsibility. A player has to take the responsibility each time they hit the deposit button. And yes, this has been hashed over and over again, but the player NEEDs to make sure they understand the terms and conditions for each online place they play at when they click that little "I agree to the terms and conditions" button. It's a virtual contract you are electronically signing when you choose to play at a casino.

If players can start suing online casinos because they don't want to take responsibilty, players will start seeing even more obscure, ridiculous and farfetched T&Cs, JMO. CSR will be less likely to assist the "honest" player and players will be faced with more of the "talk to the hand" attitudes.

When a person gambles online, it's not like the casino staff can get an up close and personal view of the person to see if they are mentally capable of taking on the responsibility of gambling. Also, even at B&Ms, casinos don't have financial statements for each and every player to ensure they are financially stable enough to gamble in the first place. Again, these are all just personal opinions on the matter.

The world has turned into a sue crazy place. It seems some are out to do anything they can to bring down legitimate businesses and take the easy way in life.

Just my two cents...

[De Beuker]

I wrote a post on my Casinomeister blog about a player who is suing Centrebet for his gambling losses . The case is pending.

I would like to know what you think in general. Can a casino in some circumstances be liable for a player's gambling losses?




Blog post:

http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/...d-casinos.html

Yes I just read the blog.
Rather difficult situation, it depends a bit on those playing patterns.

Basically I'd say no, how could the casino know that he was mentally ill?
They cannot possibly screen their players on that.

But if the guy was really playing like an idiot, for example losing almost every hand of blackjack because he kept asking for a card, even if he had 19 or 20, they may have a case.

But I suppose that someone who's clever enough to get 8 million in fraudulent loans is also clever enough to know the rules of casinogames and how to play them.

[Nate]

Can a casino in some circumstances be liable for a player's gambling losses?

I Doubt it. I agree with alot of opinions about taking responsibility. The story is also based entirely on what the 'Player' has to say - No View from the Casino. Some people have problems (as in the case of the 8m loser) and Casinos should not be predatory in enticing a multi million loser to continue with crazy bonuses.

Management would have been well aware of his tendancies and if they had approached him (to query if all was well) and he brushed them off - I wouldn't blame them.

Anyways - opinions differ - but if there was a clear indicator that something was wrong, it should have been addressed.

Nate

[BingoT]

Here is a link to the story
27 OCT 2010
Foreign online gaming companies may be sued in Norway

SPORTS ALERT (EMEA)
Nick Fitzpatrick
Nils Arne Grønlie
Stine Baumann
http://www.dlapiper.com/foreign-onli...ay-10-27-2010/

[ksech]

Just curious, is this person's attorneys going after the institutions which allowed him/her to make the fraudulent loans too? If this person is intelligent enough to figure out how to get $8 million in fraudulent loans, then I would think that voids out any preconceived perception this person is mentally unstable.

I'm not a lawayer and definitely have no clue about international law. But it seems to me there has to be some type of prescedense set, or online casinos will be deluged with lawsuits from every disgruntled gambler on the face of the planet.

[baldidiot]

There have been quite a few cases like this.

A guy in the UK sued a bookies (will hill I think) after losing £2m. He lost, and the judge called him an idiot for try it.

[rainmaker]

I believe that there are no valid reasons for why a casino should be held responsible for gambling losses. Unless it is proven technical failures, etc.

In their ruling, the Supreme Court did not take into consideration whether the player can be considered to be a "consumer " or not. Consumers have a very strong protection in Norway, so I will assume that there will be a dispute about this.

In my view, this player can not be considered as s consumer. His gambling was his livelihood and therefore he is no consumer by Norwegian law.

[rainmaker]

Just curious, is this person's attorneys going after the institutions which allowed him/her to make the fraudulent loans too? If this person is intelligent enough to figure out how to get $8 million in fraudulent loans, then I would think that voids out any preconceived perception this person is mentally unstable.

I'm not a lawayer and definitely have no clue about international law. But it seems to me there has to be some type of prescedense set, or online casinos will be deluged with lawsuits from every disgruntled gambler on the face of the planet.

One person who lent out money to this man (about €3 mill), did sue the biggest bank in Norway (DnB NOR). She believed it was irresponsible of the bank to allow such large transfers to Moneybookers without anyone investigating the case. (laundering, etc. ..). She lost the case.

(By the way, she is one of the wealthiest women in Norway )

Yeah, he used Moneybookers

[Emmeline]

This man was a guest in a talk show here a couple of years ago.
His parents have had a major role in helping him raise the money.
The woman who lent out half of the money was a friend of his parents. She did so thinking she was investing in a computer project in the Czech republic.

So basically from what I remember and what I have read, the man lived in hotels mainly in the
Czech republic, and asked his parents to help him finance his project.
His parents who have huge debts because of their son declared themselves bankrupt in 2008.

He said in the show it all started with one major hit. My impression from the show, well he didn't seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer, kind of naive, quiet and not eloquent at all.

Emme