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We all love free money, and people might wonder how to get hold of the best bonuses. Well here in Norway Bjarte Baasland has (un)fortunate enough to give us the secret how you get atleast Bet365 to give you a bonus of the incredible amount of 30.000! Yes, it's true - 30.000 for you to play with!

There is a catch though, he have lost around +3.500.000...

So don't be expecting those large bonuses if you havn't lost a fortune!

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Also, you can read about the nice service representative from Bet365 that has come forth and told us how his work was done while working there. He's job was to make Bjarte Baasland keep playing (hence loosing making a great profit, and indeed they did!)

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So happy bonus hunting people! It's possible to get free money!
 

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Remember that google translate infact works pretty good theese days, so here are the above links for you translated into english:

An unthinkable cynical and raw industry
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He was an important customer
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Thanks, Kimss, for the post.

Just solidifies my opinion that these casinos are not your best friend no matter what they try to make you think.
 

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And the story unweils... Henning Myrer comments about the world leaning gambling company Bet365 has made some waves in the gaming community, so high ranking persons from Expekt, Betsson and Ladbrokes has beein interviewed in the norwegian media. Some of theese are accredited casinos as well in here.

I made note on one of the comments from Hans Martin Nakkim, head of marketing at Betsson. He is offended and takes great distance by the claims made about Bet365 where they withold (pending withdrawal) for up to 5 days... This he thinks is a dirty tactic aswell!

LOL!

Because Betsson is a serious company, they are not cowboys he states! However I seen that pending withdrawal pretty all over the MG place! So now we know it's dirty tactics - atleast from the marketing perspective...

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Here is a great quote by Henning - previous employee at Bet365 - regarding bonuses:

The important thing was that they had received such a large sum of us that they could play in a few hours and get back old feelings, to be hooked again.
I can't help love the honesty in this, you might understand why the industry is shaken by this honesty comming out in the media like this. The Norwegian media have been digging into this for a week now and it's very interesting how much info is comming out now.

There maby will be a lawsuit aswell now against bet365 to get most or all money back... So keep watching!
 

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Thanks for these and keep them coming if more details are revealed. High-roller stories are always interesting read.
 

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Absolute disgrace.

I really think Bet365 need to improve their image ASAP. I suggest an immediate 250 bonus to each player just for starters :)
 

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Here is a great quote by Henning - previous employee at Bet365 - regarding bonuses:



I can't help love the honesty in this, you might understand why the industry is shaken by this honesty comming out in the media like this. The Norwegian media have been digging into this for a week now and it's very interesting how much info is comming out now.

There maby will be a lawsuit aswell now against bet365 to get most or all money back... So keep watching!
Well, let's be cynical. They were interviewed by the NORWEGIAN press, and expected their replies to be published..... IN NORWEGIAN:rolleyes:

Perhaps what they DIDN'T expect was then emerging so soon in ENGLISH, as well as quite a few other languages I expect.

While they may placate the Norwegian press by their honest replies, they now have the whole WORLD'S press wanting to know more about this subject.

Because this has come from a high ranking person at Bet365, rather than some "disgruntled employee" they could seel to discredit, the claims have considerable substance, and must represent thinking at the highest level in Bet365, and by implication, much of the rest of the industry.

It answers the fundamental question of WHY casino's give away bonuses, and why they simply CANNOT stop despite all the problems it leads to WHEN PLAYERS WIN off of them from their first ever deposits at a casino.

Explained also are the "technical difficulties" behind the NEED for a 24 hour or more "pending period" for player withdrawals, while at the same time offering an easy reversal option. ONE reason is to hope the player reverses, but the other is to lock them out of the next bonus or two because they JUST WON. This is why "reversals do not count as a deposit for the purposes of...........", yet they are happy to pay the fees to have you RECEIVE the withdrawal, and REDEPOSIT again straight away for another bonus.

I am sure more will follow, and maybe the industry will be a little cleaner and more transparent once this has all come out.
 

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Well, at the moment Atle Hamar from the norwegian "Lotteritilsynet", the branch from our government in Norway regulating all gambling/lottery in norway are going do the The International Association of Gaming Regulators (IAGR) in Rome Italy.

According to Atle he will try do get a discussion going regarding theese matters pointed out in this thread with the different casino groups, however not as topic more over the side.

We can also read that Ladbrokes appears to know the norwegian laws better than the people governing them, however since we (as in Norwegian governing body) can't really block norwegian customers we can't really do anything - hence Ladbrokes wins... Lotteritilsynet has little respect for Ladbrokes, the Norwegian word "fnyser" is a little more arrogant than "dismiss" which google translates it to.

A little extra read here:
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We can also read that the earlier employee from Bet365 was afraid of going out public, and thoughtfully went through his security before doing so. So infact - he and the ones interviewing him was afraid for his security in doing this. Not strange, knowing this shady business and how much money is in it.

However we all know - the best thing to do is going public so everyone knows what you know - not being silenced since dead men don't tell any tales... :D

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Now this is a treat, :D We all know that loosing millions gives you hundret thousands of bonuses - making your stay at the casino as pleasent as possible. However Pl Jensen has experienced the opposite, especially from Bet365 and Centerbet which actively tries to squeeze him out!

This is also done by manipulating how much he can bet at a certain game, so that his expertise in say Horseracing can't help him out. Interesting read in more tactics from theese companies - and why is this interesting - because they for some reason deny such behaviour...

The articles also gives some inside in the world of booking, since Pl has worked alot with this, also for the companies in mention... :D

2 good ones on Pl Jensen:
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English, note the titles should read:
This player is refused to play
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A pill rotten industry!
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A guy pointed out a similar problem about bookie's limiting based on someone's personal play in this thread:
http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...65-deecreased-my-betting-imit.html#post200699

Most of the commenters - especially from the UK - had the opinion that bet365 had the right to make such decision based on their customer's standing. Perhaps it's natural reasoning in the UK for traditional reasons, but in other EU countries it is perceived as a clear discrimination, especially in the light of the bonuses given for a compulsive gambler.

The question is not whether the T&C's of bet365 contains such clauses, but the real point is whether bet365 has the right to offer such T&Cs, is it allowed to offer a contract which has the possibility to offer different service to different customers during the validity of the contract. If you would ask 100 people in my country, 99 would say no, the terms should be the same during the whole contract. Only if the customer brings additional risk as his/her own fault (like more car insurance for people who already broke their car several times, or higher loan interests for more risky people) would this be acceptable, and only at the time when the contract is made, not later on during the contract. For us this is something like buying a car, you agree on a loan, you pay for the loan, and your contract would have an option that the bank has the right to double the interest for afro-american customers in the middle of the contract. There's no basis in the law in our, and in the majority of EUR countries where a contract can be altered one-sided without a proper reason, only because of a solely business decision. There's a possibility to offer such a contract, but it can be brought to court later on for judgement. The T&Cs of bet365 and some other companies as well would be judged as unconstitutional in many European countries and the contract would be void as a consequence, because bookies would not be able to prove that they introduced the limit for a valid reason. It's likely not the case in those countries where those bookies and casinos are hosted, but in the EU this will get more and more publicity, and will become an issue soon.
 

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Because this has come from a high ranking person at Bet365, rather than some "disgruntled employee" they could seel to discredit, the claims have considerable substance, and must represent thinking at the highest level in Bet365, and by implication, much of the rest of the industry.
Actually, the statements were from a former CS representative. Officially Bet365 have been fairly quiet about it, but their CEO John Coates has stated that the claims by the former CS-rep are false. He is quoted as saying that "gambling is safe and harmless" :rolleyes:. But he does confirm that they give big bonuses to high rollers.

The media attention around this case has been huge here in Norway, because the gambler's father is a publicly known bishop. The bishop and his wife have been declared bankrupt by the courts as a result of their son's gambling.

Cliffs notes:

-Bishop and wife are declared bankrupt after amassing millions in debts from banks, friends and acquaintances. The money has been lent on to their son, Bjarte Baasland, who claimed to need the money for his Czech IT company. He also claimed, and provided (fake) evidence, that a major IT-company was interested in buying him out, and thus would be able to pay it back shortly.

-Baasland (the son) admits that there is no IT company. He claims to have lost everything, approximately $10-12 million, gambling online. All the money is borrowed from his parents and a wealthy friend of the family.

-The majority of the $10-12 million is lost betting on sports over a period of 3 years. The losses are divided about 50/50 between bet365 and Centrebet. (The former bet365 employee claims that he also gambled heavily on casino games).

-Baasland is charged with fraud and interrogated by police

-Former bet365 CS-rep tells major newspaper all about how they hustled Baasland into losing millions.

-Politicians and newpaper editors denounce the online gambling business, describe it as "rotten to the core", "a bunch crooks devoid of ethics or morals", "ruthlessly preying on compulsive gamblers" etc etc. Many call for government action like IP-bans.

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Actually, the statements were from a former CS representative. Officially Bet365 have been fairly quiet about it, but their CEO John Coates has stated that the claims by the former CS-rep are false. He is quoted as saying that "gambling is safe and harmless" :rolleyes:. But he does confirm that they give big bonuses to high rollers.

The media attention around this case has been huge here in Norway, because the gambler's father is a publicly known bishop. The bishop and his wife have been declared bankrupt by the courts as a result of their son's gambling.

Cliffs notes:

-Bishop and wife are declared bankrupt after amassing millions in debts from banks, friends and acquaintances. The money has been lent on to their son, Bjarte Baasland, who claimed to need the money for his Czech IT company. He also claimed, and provided (fake) evidence, that a major IT-company was interested in buying him out, and thus would be able to pay it back shortly.

-Baasland (the son) admits that there is no IT company. He claims to have lost everything, approximately $10-12 million, gambling online. All the money is borrowed from his parents and a wealthy friend of the family.

-The majority of the $10-12 million is lost betting on sports over a period of 3 years. The losses are divided about 50/50 between bet365 and Centrebet. (The former bet365 employee claims that he also gambled heavily on casino games).

-Baasland is charged with fraud and interrogated by police

-Former bet365 CS-rep tells major newspaper all about how they hustled Baasland into losing millions.

-Politicians and newpaper editors denounce the online gambling business, describe it as "rotten to the core", "a bunch crooks devoid of ethics or morals", "ruthlessly preying on compulsive gamblers" etc etc. Many call for government action like IP-bans.

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Ah, I understand, Mr Baasland used OTHER PEOPLE'S money. This is in breach of the terms and conditions of the online casinos. Well, from experience, what tends to happen is that when the casino finds out, they have their accounts LOCKED and WINNINGS CONFISCATED, and their DEPOSITS RETURNED.

Well, Mr Baasland LOST, but it makes no difference, the SAME rules were broken (and he USED BONUSES), so surely the SAME should apply - if not, WHY not:rolleyes:



As for the more general case, many of us KNOW that the casinos treat WINNERS as "something the cat dragged in", and LOSERS as "royalty". Bonuses and "comps" have NOTHING TO DO with a player's "status" as defined by the various VIP clubs operated, it is down to the player's LOSSES.

Many REPUTABLE casinos operate this way.

From my OWN EXPERIENCE, I have NOT gained the advertised priviliges of my VIP club standing BECAUSE I have either WON, or not lost enough. In many cases, it takes quite an effort to drag out the reasons from the casino, and many have lied to me about "technical difficulties" being responsible.

Roxy Palace did this, they LIED to me that they were either experiencing "technical difficulties" with my Email address (bollox!) when I didn't receive my newsletters. They even tried telling me they hadn't even RUN a newsletter promotional that week, despite the fact that it was EASY to spot the lie simply by checking with the lobby!

It was ONLY after I went on a "rant" here about this string of "bad service" that their rep revealed that despite me being GOLD status, I had "won too much" and had been frozen out from the newsletter promotions.

It took less effort to get Club USA to admit that I had been "bonus banned" after a winning spree on stud poker (4 OK and DEALER QUALIFIED:D).

I am bonus banned at Spin Palace (remember Munchkins:D), but NOT at Ruby Fortune, where I have lost half of it back.


Jackpot Factory was different, I won big early, but didn't get a bonus ban, and the house edge kicked in and they got it all back & some more over the folowing years.

Grand Prive bonus banned me, but I LOST 3.6K in a MERE 3 MONTHS!!!!!

I have been BANNED from some UK gambling arcades for being "too good" at playing the Fruit Machines, quite aggressively so at a couple.

I also know about "being taken out back" in some of the seedier places, and avoid places that seem to be inclined that way.

NONE of these establishments will admit to such behaviour in public, but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

Because much of this happens "in secret", it is largely untouched by the regulatory bodies, some of whom themselves seem a little "corrupt" when it comes to protecting the PLAYER, rather than the BUSINESS, and regulatory bodies are SUPPOSED to be there to prevent "player abuse", not to help the business make more than it is entitled to make.

There is often no fixed term contract, which is how terms can be changed on the fly, such as reducing betting limits. So long as the changes are not tretrospective, the only recourse the player has is to take their business elsewhere. Casinos only get into trouble when they seek to void bets for "playing style" rather than proper breaches of contract, and apply this retrospectively after the bets have been taken and settled, rather than blocking the making of such bets.

Anti-Discrimination legislation DOES limit the grounds for refusing service to a particular player, however the categories are defined, and prohibit such grounds as Race, Gender, Religion, Sexual orientation, and more recently Disability and Age (except for minors under 18/21). It is not specifically illegal to discriminate on grounds of Intelligence, as there seemed no need as discrimination was traditionally against the disadvantaged.
There is nothing to stop a case from being brought for ANY discrimination, as case law often forms part of the legislature here in the UK, and it would take only ONE court ruling AGAINST a casino or bookies that discriminated against someone who was "too clever" to enshrine "intelligence" as a "disability" covered by the anti-discrimination laws. This would then apply throughout the EU, INCLUDING those licensing juristictions within the EU that casinos seek to use.
Interestingly, many of the juristictions seen as the most reputable are NOT properly covered, as they are NOT members of the EU as is Britain, but members of a looser network of trading partner states. This includes the IOM, Channel Islands, and Gibraltar, which are "protectorates" of the UK, but not actually subject to Westminster (parliament). With full devolution or independence, Scotland may enjoy this same status, unless it goes the whole way and funds it's own Army and Navy, and not need the status of "Protectorate".

Online casinos know all of this, and make it hard for players to take court action (except for the most determined ones). Many businesses are bluffing, and will often "reconsider" when legal papers are actually served, just look as the UK banks for example, who would often pay up over disputed charges if their bluff got called, and a summons from the small claims court landed on their desk;)

The same could be done with a casino. IF their terms state that a particular jurisdiction applies to their contract, then any action can be taken there, which is why many prefer to be governed by the laws of such places as Netherlands Antillies, Kahnawake, Curaco, Panama & Costa Rica for example.

Which jurisdiction does Bet365 nominate in it's terms?
 

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Which jurisdiction does Bet365 nominate in it's terms?
They are licensed by the UK Gambling Comission. They are based in Stoke-on-Trent. According to newspaper reports, the commission has been informed about the case but never comment on whether they are investigating (or will investigate) because it could lead to evidence being lost.
 

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They are licensed by the UK Gambling Comission. They are based in Stoke-on-Trent. According to newspaper reports, the commission has been informed about the case but never comment on whether they are investigating (or will investigate) because it could lead to evidence being lost.
Presumably then, those whose money was STOLEN and lost at Bet365 can get it back then. Under UK law, STOLEN property, once identified as such, belongs to the person or entity it was stolen from. Where someone buys, say, a stolen car, even if this was in good faith - it WILL be confiscated by the police if found to be stolen, and returned to the rightful owner(s).

Mr Bassland's OWN money is probably lost, although he could take action against the casino for encouraging irresponsible gambling, BUT, the money he STOLE was not his to deposit, and so long as Bet365 have it, they can be ordered to restore it to the original owner given sufficient evidence that it had been misappropriated (as is the case here, obtained by deception).

Given that the UK Gambling commission are aware, there is a good chance they are investigating, and the outcome could be used in any claim for recovery. The press will no doubt keep this issue alive til a pronouncement is made, and will probably put pressure on for this to be sooner rather than later.

The LAST thing the UK Gambling Commission needs is to be seen to be "asleep on the job" when it comes to the FEW gambling entities it has ended up responsible for.
 

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Ah, I understand, Mr Baasland used OTHER PEOPLE'S money. This is in breach of the terms and conditions of the online casinos. Well, from experience, what tends to happen is that when the casino finds out, they have their accounts LOCKED and WINNINGS CONFISCATED, and their DEPOSITS RETURNED.

Well, Mr Baasland LOST, but it makes no difference, the SAME rules were broken (and he USED BONUSES), so surely the SAME should apply - if not, WHY not:rolleyes:
Also if a person is diagnosed with Pathological Gambling disorder (ICD F63.0
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) then certainly it has to be against some law to take financial advantage over such person's illness. I'd say all problem gamblers should get their deposits back immediately.
 

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what's all this about the money being returned as it was possibly originally stolen? That'd be something...I don't recall in any fraud cases Harrods,the Ritz, or Tesco even being asked to hand money over to a plaintiff because one of their customers happened to be a thief as an occupation. I'm no lawyer - but I doubt the restitution of property is treated the same as cash transactions in law.
 
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