RTG - Capping Max Wins

[Papa-ya]

Guess I'm done with all RTG. Trying to play around their rule, is just to ridiculous and frustrating.

RTG needs to get their act together and have only one paytable rule and be upfront from the get go, not have the overlooked rule tucked away at the very bottom of page 2, where a player won't realize this exists until they get the hit that doesn't pay what they were led to believe.

So, not wasting my money or time with them anymore.

[Repro]

Guess I'm done with all RTG. Trying to play around their rule, is just to ridiculous and frustrating.

RTG needs to get their act together and have only one paytable rule and be upfront from the get go, not have the overlooked rule tucked away at the very bottom of page 2, where a player won't realize this exists until they get the hit that doesn't pay what they were led to believe.

So, not wasting my money or time with them anymore.

I'm also not very keen of RTG. I only like Penguin Power

Still wanted to see what all the fuzz was actually about, so i tried the Count

Made a $20 deposit and started playing at 25 lines / $0.01. Very much playtime, but eventually the money was gone.

Made a second $20 deposit and played 5 lines / $0.05. When i was up to $40 (ater a looooooooong time) i raised it to $0.10. Made a cashout for $150

I liked playing the second deposit a lot more, not only because of the payout, but it was just more fun playing when you get higher payouts on the lines. Never had more than 3 counts though

Frank

[Papa-ya]

I'm also not very keen of RTG. I only like Penguin Power

Still wanted to see what all the fuzz was actually about, so i tried the Count

Made a $20 deposit and started playing at 25 lines / $0.01. Very much playtime, but eventually the money was gone.

Made a second $20 deposit and played 5 lines / $0.05. When i was up to $40 (ater a looooooooong time) i raised it to $0.10. Made a cashout for $150

I liked playing the second deposit a lot more, not only because of the payout, but it was just more fun playing when you get higher payouts on the lines. Never had more than 3 counts though

Frank

Good for you Repro, glad you made a cashout. For this game, I really do think playing the lessor lines does make for a better experience for the higher line payouts you are playing and length of time you can manage to play.
I have hit 3-4 Counts several times, because I concentrated on only playing that game, so spent a lot of time on it. Most of my play had been on covering all lines and the majority of the wins were so diluted, the play dwindled at a steady pace on average.
Playing the lessor lines as was suggested by another poster here, for this game does seem to work better on the average.
As Simmo said however, this style of play is not for the faint of heart, because you see a lot of missed wins as well, but when you play it long enough, you see most of the missed wins at a low wager would not have been significant enough to worry about.
On my screenshot though, playing the full 25 lines lines and hitting the 4 Counts had a better payout than the lessor lines did, but had I been playing the higher wager on the lessor lines when I hit the 5 Counts, I would not be as bummed out today as I am.
So the 5 Count win at the lessor line, higher wager is the way to go, to acheive the advertised payout.

[nisosbar]

If the stated RTP on Count Dracula is calculated on the basis of 25 lines played and ALSO with a maxed cap at 50,000x line bet, then isn't it an unavoidable fact (in light of the expanding wilds) that playing only 5 lines will effectively raise the stated RTP a bit further? (If you know what I am asking but can explain it more simply than I can, please feel free.)

[felicie]

While I still play on RTG casinos, this is just one in a list of reasons why, all else being equal, RTG does not compare well to other softwares, IMHO.

I don't and wont pretend to understand all the math you all put into this but the bottom line for me is are they intentionally screwing us by lying about the payout? $500 on a .25 bet seems acceptable but not if it should have been $2500. I played the count a couple of nights ago and everytime he popped up (the count) I got nothing and that is unacceptable. why have him pop up at all. Maybe I should just stick to the old l and 3 line slots.

[Papa-ya]

After mulling this over and scrutinizing the rules, I have come to a understanding about what 5 counts actually means. When a player gets 4 Counts that covers 4 reels and one reel with misc symbols, the wilds pays all lines covered.

What I didn't realize is the first page rule that I hadn't noticed before, that the Counts, count as one on each reel, so the 5 expanding wilds will always be equivalent to only a 5 line payout and not 25. The Counts will only pay all lines wagered on, if it is 4 Counts or less.

So this leaves me a bit disheartened and disenchanted for my naivety, because the only way of getting a big win on Count Spectacular for 5 wilds, is to wager higher or play less lines at a higher than 1 cent wager.

I guess it comes down to, from discussing this, is that with some games, you have to use a different strategy in order to get the value you are expecting. But having the counts pop up and not paying happens just the same as it does with any game, but persistance can pay off and knowing the quirks of the rules can help to make for a better game, rather than a dissapointing one.

My dissapointment is just the fact that I had not realized this until after hitting the 5 Count win, had I known the way the payout really works, I could have had a hell of a payday. So I just hope this thread can help others.

Ah well, live and learn.

[Repro]

What I didn't realize is the first page rule that I hadn't noticed before, that the Counts, count as one on each reel, so the 5 expanding wilds will always be equivalent to only a 5 line payout and not 25. The Counts will only pay all lines wagered on, if it is 4 Counts or less.

Actually... I think this rule is only meant for the scattersymbols...

[Papa-ya]

I thought I had posted the rule pages for this game, so I will add them now. You're correct, it does only say the Count counts once for Scatters.