RTG - Capping Max Wins

[Papa-ya]

The investigation carried out shows that you were paid $499.85 on the Re-spin feature. The payout, plus the $0.15 won in the original spin equal $500, which is the maximum amount you can win on a single spin. This maximum is set for all of RTG's slots at 50,000 the amount bet per line. It is true that the 5 Counts would have been a winner on all 25 lines, however the rules
state that the maximum win per paid spin is 50,000 bet per line.




I am a bit surprised that more players of RTG aren't a little bit upset by the above rule and here's why I say this.

When I won the feature, I was playing 25 cent wager at 1 cent per line, covering all lines. I opted for the re-spin feature as I always do. The feature win was $0.15 before the four re-spins commenced. On the last spin I won the coveted win of 5 counts that are expanding wilds that cover all paylines. My win for that single hit was not even $500, but was docked the 15 cents I won at the start of the feature.

So now I'm thinking, they have on page 1 of the payout rules the 5 counts pay 10,000x, meaning it should have paid $100 per line for 25 lines.

Then at the very bottom of page 2, there is the over ruling rule of the maximum payout being 50,000 coins x line bet and it does not specify that the re-spin feature only counts as one spin, instead of 4.

So had I won say $125 on the first spin, then hit the 5 expanding wilds that covered the entire screen, all paylines, would have only paid $375 on the additional feature spins. Meaning that you are not even being paid the coveted win of the highest value if you are in a feature as the feature counts entirely as I spin. So for every amount you win before hitting the highest win the games advertises, your winning amount will be docked for the previous wins during the feature.

Additionally, the coveted win we all hope for one day, will only pay the equivalant of 5 lines, no matter the amount of lines you have paid for.

I have seen several players screenshots with capped wins like this, am I the only player dissatisfied with this type of rule manipulation? Because for the majority of players, you may not get this hit but once in years on average.

[Simmo!]

In the UK the laws for land-based currently cap at £4000 and like this slot, it is possible to win more. In fact I saw it happen recently at a Gala casino where a guy got 5 scatters in the free spins for more than £4k but that was all he could get paid.

However, in an online environment where there is no capping law, I think it's very poor that RTG themselves impose a maximum payout on a slot that can pay more than that. It's also totally illogical when you consider that the RJ's can easily exceed 50,000 x line bet and DO get paid.

Not sure what can be done about it though except to not play those games. It is effectively lowering the RTP.

[nisosbar]

However, in an online environment where there is no capping law, I think it's very poor that RTG themselves impose a maximum payout on a slot that can pay more than that. It's also totally illogical when you consider that the RJ's can easily exceed 50,000 x line bet and DO get paid.

Not sure what can be done about it though except to not play those games. It is effectively lowering the RTP.

My thoughts exactly.

[petro]

Capping the max win will decrease the RTP even further.
I wouldn't play at any RTG casinos that practice this.

In the UK the laws for land-based currently cap at £4000.

Here in Australia our slots have a cap of $5000 per spin.

[lauram]

After reading this, I now have second thoughts on playing rtg any longer.
I deposit daily and have noticed over the past while how tight the games have gotten. Mind you I play at 2 dollar stakes so the free spins are less often.
But here is what upset me from seeing you screen shot. They only gave you 500 total. At mg on a dollar fifty bet I hit all the wilds on the new santa slot and won 14k. As a player you wait for that moment to hit all the wilds across the board. Then find out your games is capped. Past few months I have had some nice wins on rtg but after reading this I am done.

[De Beuker]

The investigation carried out shows that you were paid $499.85 on the Re-spin feature. The payout, plus the $0.15 won in the original spin equal $500, which is the maximum amount you can win on a single spin. This maximum is set for all of RTG's slots at 50,000 the amount bet per line. It is true that the 5 Counts would have been a winner on all 25 lines, however the rules
state that the maximum win per paid spin is 50,000 bet per line.




I am a bit surprised that more players of RTG aren't a little bit upset by the above rule and here's why I say this.

When I won the feature, I was playing 25 cent wager at 1 cent per line, covering all lines. I opted for the re-spin feature as I always do. The feature win was $0.15 before the four re-spins commenced. On the last spin I won the coveted win of 5 counts that are expanding wilds that cover all paylines. My win for that single hit was not even $500, but was docked the 15 cents I won at the start of the feature.

So now I'm thinking, they have on page 1 of the payout rules the 5 counts pay 10,000x, meaning it should have paid $100 per line for 25 lines.

Then at the very bottom of page 2, there is the over ruling rule of the maximum payout being 50,000 coins x line bet and it does not specify that the re-spin feature only counts as one spin, instead of 4.

So had I won say $125 on the first spin, then hit the 5 expanding wilds that covered the entire screen, all paylines, would have only paid $375 on the additional feature spins. Meaning that you are not even being paid the coveted win of the highest value if you are in a feature as the feature counts entirely as I spin. So for every amount you win before hitting the highest win the games advertises, your winning amount will be docked for the previous wins during the feature.

Additionally, the coveted win we all hope for one day, will only pay the equivalant of 5 lines, no matter the amount of lines you have paid for.

I have seen several players screenshots with capped wins like this, am I the only player dissatisfied with this type of rule manipulation? Because for the majority of players, you may not get this hit but once in years on average.

No, you're not the only one.
I never experienced a max. payout, but I've seen a few screenies..

And it really sucks that a freespinround counts as a single spin, I fully agree with you on that one.
This especially hurts when you play Raindance and hit that elusive 5 scatters for 100 free spins.
Each retrigger, no matter if its 3, 4 or 5 scatters adds another 100.
I've seen a screenshot once from someone who had reached the max with more than 450 free spins left on the counter!
Its in the WSS thread somewhere, but its 2 or 3 years old, hard to dig up I'm afraid.


But Simmo, are you sure it influences the advertised RTP of a game?
They dont take the caps into the calculation somehow?
I think we should summon the DogBoy!

Arent those new slots like that 88 line Tiger slot heavily underpaying with a max. win of 582x total bet?

[chayton]

I've seen a screenshot once from someone who had reached the max with more than 450 free spins left on the counter!
Its in the WSS thread somewhere, but its 2 or 3 years old, hard to dig up I'm afraid.

I think it was RobWin who got that one...

[De Beuker]

I think it was RobWin who got that one...

Yes, thats what I thought too, either RobWin or Winbig.
But one of the Win dudes for sure!

[Repro]

In the UK the laws for land-based currently cap at £4000 and like this slot, it is possible to win more. In fact I saw it happen recently at a Gala casino where a guy got 5 scatters in the free spins for more than £4k but that was all he could get paid.

However, in an online environment where there is no capping law, I think it's very poor that RTG themselves impose a maximum payout on a slot that can pay more than that. It's also totally illogical when you consider that the RJ's can easily exceed 50,000 x line bet and DO get paid.

Not sure what can be done about it though except to not play those games. It is effectively lowering the RTP.

I still don't see why any winnings on slots -land based or online- would be capped. So much for gamefairness...

[Papa-ya]

In the UK the laws for land-based currently cap at £4000 and like this slot, it is possible to win more. In fact I saw it happen recently at a Gala casino where a guy got 5 scatters in the free spins for more than £4k but that was all he could get paid.

However, in an online environment where there is no capping law, I think it's very poor that RTG themselves impose a maximum payout on a slot that can pay more than that. It's also totally illogical when you consider that the RJ's can easily exceed 50,000 x line bet and DO get paid.

Not sure what can be done about it though except to not play those games. It is effectively lowering the RTP.

If players don't speak out then casinos rule makers will think everyone is okay with such rules. Even if not much can be done, they should at least know how their cash cows feel.

I am glad to see Simmo taking interest in this thread and would like to see others that have a direct line to RTG, maybe voice the feelings about this subject.

RTG could have just said max payout will not be over $25k or whatever and not crippled the entire playing community with rules that are more damaging to the goodwill between players and casinos.

There is a gross injustice in enticing players with expanding wilds, 88 lines and so on, when they know they will not pay what the games are designed for and it's the design of these features that draw us in.