Hunch That Casinos Tighten After Withdraw...

[X-Raided]

I just want to see if others like myself have had a feeling
that casinos tighten your overall RTP after making a withdraw.

I won't say which casino it was, but I will state
that it is a trusted Rival casino.

After making a $1,200 withdraw after my very first deposit,
I re-deposited $150 back in and within
10 minutes of betting 40cents - $1.50 per spin on various slots,
my money got sucked up like a vacuum with no bonus rounds
and numerous dead spins.

I re-deposited another $100 and played blackjack at $10 a hand,
only to witness the dealer make 3 consecutive blackjacks in a row
and deal me numerous 15's and 16's back to back.

I re-deposited another $100 and had the same experience on
various slots.

After that point I stopped depositing.

Anyways, I just have a strong hunch that after the casino approves
your withdraw, they will literally go into your settings and lower
your RTP until the withdraw to deposit ratio on their end is satisfactory.

Anyone else had this happen?

[marcsudbury]

yeah i feel the same way, but......you just beat the odds and cashed out, so in the end you're probably not going to beat the odds 2 times in a row. that's my theory.

although it does happen, but odds are really against you in that case.

[denamoutz]

you made the comment "tighten your overall rtp" does each individual have an rtp? or is the rtp based on all players? i have always wondered this?

[PaaskeDKnowUK]

And nobody knows when asking the experts...just strange somebody has to know somebody who knows somebody in the business who knows??

[takethemoney]

After $40k in random jackpot wins, I am not only proof of it, but proof it occurs across the entire RTG network, in my swag. (scientific wild assed guess) 119 deposits and counting with no wins.

It just so happens I'm off this afternoon and will not be making any Quick Tender deposits anywhere. Nope...me and my wallet are headed to a land based casino about an hour from me, where I will come home with money and savor instant cashouts. I'll watch others play and get a sense for which machines are paying, then move in for the kill! LOL

[Nifty29]

RTP is game based and not per player (some strongly disagree but there is no evidence to support that theory )

X-raided - the problem you experienced after you withdrew is nothing to do with RTP.

You deposited $100 and played $10 bets - THAT is the problem right there. Any informed bj player will tell you that bankroll is grossly inadequate to support $10 bets. Deposit $1000 and have what you described occur over and over and then it might hold water.

Same with slots particularly at Rival. Most are high variance and WILL suck your cash like a vacuum especially if, again, you don't have the bankroll to ride the curves.

Nothing you have described is out of the ordinary and is absolutely no indication of a change in individual RTP settings.

You can't win every time and after a nice win you should probably expect to lose - that's just how it rolls with gambling.

[X-Raided]

RTP is game based and not per player (some strongly disagree but there is no evidence to support that theory )
X-raided - the problem you experienced after you withdrew is nothing to do with RTP.
You deposited $100 and played $10 bets - THAT is the problem right there. Any informed bj player will tell you that bankroll is grossly inadequate to support $10 bets. Deposit $1000 and have what you described occur over and over and then it might hold water.
Same with slots particularly at Rival. Most are high variance and WILL suck your cash like a vacuum especially if, again, you don't have the bankroll to ride the curves.
Nothing you have described is out of the ordinary and is absolutely no indication of a change in individual RTP settings.
You can't win every time and after a nice win you should probably expect to lose - that's just how it rolls with gambling.

Nifty,

I have agreed with you in different statements you've made in
assorted threads, but I cannot be in agreement with your reply.

The play I had with my first deposit made, (looser)
and the play I experienced a few days after making
a withdraw (tighter) differ to the point where the slots appeared to have
been manipulated and changed.

I do agree with what you said about expecting to lose... But
not the way I did when last depositing.

Takethemoney seems to be experiencing the winning, withdrawing
and re-depositing blues like I just had a taste of.

Nifty, no disrespect, but you seem always pro-casinos.
Where are your winning screen shots? Do you even play on-line anymore?

[Da_Gambla]

Nifty, no disrespect, but you seem always pro-casinos.

Please define for me, pro-casinos?

Is everyone else anti-casinos? I'm assuming that's you? If you are anti-casinos, why do you deposit and play?

Where are your winning screen shots? Do you even play on-line anymore?

Do you have to have a current screenshot posted to participate in discussions here? Luckily, I have one, but.. when does that expire? I need to know how often I have to get one posted before my right to respond to posts here at CM is suspended.

Thanks!

- Keith

[X-Raided]

Please define for me, pro-casinos?

Is everyone else anti-casinos? I'm assuming that's you? If you are anti-casinos, why do you deposit and play?



Do you have to have a current screenshot posted to participate in discussions here? Luckily, I have one, but.. when does that expire? I need to know how often I have to get one posted before my right to respond to posts here at CM is suspended.

Thanks!

- Keith

Kool Keith, would you like a medal or something?
Your taking everything I said out of context to try to shine.

Nifty is a big boy, he can speak for himself.

[Nifty29]

Nifty,

I have agreed with you in different statements you've made in
assorted threads, but I cannot be in agreement with your reply.

The play I had with my first deposit made, (looser)
and the play I experienced a few days after making
a withdraw (tighter) differ to the point where the slots appeared to have
been manipulated and changed.

I do agree with what you said about expecting to lose... But
not the way I did when last depositing.

Takethemoney seems to be experiencing the winning, withdrawing
and re-depositing blues like I just had a taste of.

Nifty, no disrespect, but you seem always pro-casinos.
Where are your winning screen shots? Do you even play on-line anymore?

The problem is that when some people have a nice win, they complain when they lose afterwards because 'the casino threw the lose switch' or something of that order. It is all an illlusion. If you had that exact session after a previous losing session, you would not have come here to complain about it. In any case, the amounts you deposited vs the bet amounts is the real reason it was a losing session....and it's not my opinion, it's mathematical fact.

In regards to takethemoney - well they won $40k in random jackpots. How many players have done that? It was a very very unusual run of luck (and I didn't notice them posting complaints in the forum about having such an unusual event occur...interesting considering they are now complaining about an unusual run of bad luck). Now, they say that they have lost $20k of it back with '116 lost deposits in a row'. Well, one thing to take from that is that they are still $20k ahead since that win which is hardly a cause for complaint. The other thing is that I don't believe that they have had 116 deposits in a row where they never had a chance to cashout. It is very likely that their betting patterns changed after the big win and that their acceptable cashout point was higher...this is a common occurrence and it has happened to me and others I am sure.

Anyway, there is no way to prove takethemoney's claims unless we are able to view all the game logs and the deposit history (the deposits alone will not give the true picture) and that ain't gonna happen. For me it's a personal judgement of whether the claim is likely to be true, and personally I think it isn't.

As for the screenshots of lack thereof....are you seriously saying that a member's entitlement to comment is proportional to the amount of screenshots they post??? You have to be kidding surely. It's the most ridiculous suggestion I've heard in ages. I also don't see that it matters whether I'm playing or not - it isn't a prerequisite for membership or posting last time I checked.

Am I always pro-casino? No. Am I always 'pro-personal responsibility' and 'pro-player self-education'? Yes. I have zero sympathy for players who don't take the time to understand what they spend their money on and who don't bother to educate themselves about terms and conditions. Most of the time it's like someone punching another in the face, and then accusing them of assault for head-butting their fist.